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01-06-2015 11:47 AM
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  1. DJCBS's Avatar
    Incorrect. I refer you to my previous post.
    Mate, I'm a lawyer, I know what I'm talking about.
    As I said, it's illegal unless you warn the other person beforehand and give her the option of not taking the call. Not even as "memory aid" is it allowed.
    The only people allowed to record calls without knowledge and/or consent of one or both parties involved is the police and, even then, they need a Court order prior to the recordings.
    01-02-2015 07:18 PM
  2. Loco5150's Avatar
    Yep its illegal to record like that. That's why often apps like this have this beeb sound when recording.
    Last edited by Loco5150; 01-03-2015 at 03:08 AM.
    01-02-2015 07:48 PM
  3. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Yep its illegal to record like that. That's why often apps like this have this been sound when recording.
    May I ask, what does "have this been sound when recording" trying to say?
    01-02-2015 08:06 PM
  4. Loco5150's Avatar
    Auocorrect sorry. "beeb" sound I meant. Back in the days on other platforms I remember seeing apps like this, and all made a "beeb" sound in intervals.
    01-03-2015 03:11 AM
  5. rhapdog's Avatar
    Ah, you are referring to the beep much like occurs on a land-line phone in the US when the phone line detects recording equipment hooked up. This used to be in place many years ago, but more modern recording equipment gets around the detection and the beep no longer occurs. It used to beep every 15 seconds and could not be stopped by the recording party, so the person on the other end was always warned that the call was being recorded, unless it was a wire tap by law enforcement.

    Early apps used to mimic this behavior, which was an attempt to prevent people from using it in an illegal manner.

    Okay, people, I keep hearing, "It's illegal to record like that" without any further clarification. Please be more specific. You can't just say, "It's illegal to record like that." When you say it like that, it means illegal everywhere, which it is not. I happen to live in the USA, in the state of Mississippi. Mississippi is known as a "One Party Consent State" when it comes to recording telephone conversations. That means if I call someone, or someone calls me, I can record that call as long as I am part of the conversation and I want it recorded, as long as the call is to or from someone else in Mississippi OR to or from someone else in another One Party Consent State.

    So it isn't illegal everywhere.

    Yes, perhaps it is illegal in all or most areas of Europe. Europe isn't the entire world. I would not be surprised to find that there are some countries in the world with no governance on the issue whatsoever.

    Back to the case in point. The opening poster asks "How come no call recorder yet in the store". The answer isn't about the legalities, because you can get permission to record the calls even in any place in Europe.

    The issue boils down to security and privacy of the owner of the phone, and allowing the mic to record during calls could have some pretty major concerns where malicious apps are concerned. That's my opinion. This is why I believe it would be important for people who have this legitimate need, and plan to use it within the confines of the laws of the countries and/or states where they live, should buy the appropriate hardware to allow them to do the recording in a safe and secure manner that won't compromise any of the parties involved.
    01-03-2015 05:11 AM
  6. srikanth reddy4's Avatar
    It's the same in iOS and I guess by default also in Android? It may be possible with rooted/jailbreaked systems. It's simply not allowed in non-hacked OS and the purpose is to protect people privacy. If it's so important to you, then you can use a 3rd party device attached to your phone to record your calls.
    in android there is no needing of rooting there are many apps in the play store
    01-03-2015 08:46 AM
  7. gomezz's Avatar
    Mate, I'm a lawyer
    A bad one by the sounds of it. Unless perhaps you can quote a case in English law were someone was found guilty purely for making a recording rather than for using it?
    01-03-2015 05:04 PM
  8. LTTG's Avatar
    All I want now is an FM Radio recorder...
    01-03-2015 05:07 PM
  9. rhapdog's Avatar
    A bad one by the sounds of it. Unless perhaps you can quote a case in English law were someone was found guilty purely for making a recording rather than for using it?
    There's no need for being unkind or judgmental. We aren't here to assign blame or pass judgment, only to offer help.

    All I want now is an FM Radio recorder...
    Hmm... I used to have one of those laying around. Ah... it's in the box I was about to take to a charity thrift store. Old AM/FM Radio with Cassette Recorder. That's just what you need.

    Seriously, an audio cable with a male plug on each end, one end to your phone's headset plug and the other to a digital recorder input plug, and you'd be good to go on that one.
    01-03-2015 05:50 PM
  10. Gunbust3r's Avatar
    I love how any company you call records for "quality assurance" (aka to screw you over if it comes to it) but a $650 piece of hardware has it locked out.
    01-03-2015 06:01 PM
  11. rhapdog's Avatar
    If you can afford a $650 piece of hardware, you can afford the additional for proper recording. You can do it for as little as $30 or as much as $250. the $30 gets you less features, no voice activation so you have to turn it on manually, and less recording time (250 hours as opposed to several thousand.)

    As far as companies recording for "quality assurance", I have worked for several call centers in the past. Each person has a number of their calls recorded, and you never know which ones. Then management listens to the recorded calls to determine if you treated the customer correctly and if you followed proper procedure. If you didn't, you can get fired, or lesser disciplinary actions depending on the infraction. I've never heard of a recording used against the actual caller, and not all calls are recorded. Less than 2% generally. At least that was my experience back in the day.
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    01-03-2015 06:25 PM
  12. DJCBS's Avatar
    A bad one by the sounds of it. Unless perhaps you can quote a case in English law were someone was found guilty purely for making a recording rather than for using it?
    Perhaps go acquaint yourself with European privacy laws which, in case you aren't aware, prevail over English laws as the UK is part of the EU and agreed to abide by them.
    If you want me to find specific cases in English court history, pay me. I don't work for free, even less when it comes to finding court rulings from a country that isn't mine. ;)
    RumoredNow likes this.
    01-05-2015 09:08 PM
  13. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...If you want me to find specific cases in English court history, pay me. I don't work for free, even less when it comes to finding court rulings from a country that isn't mine. ;)
    Yep... That's a lawyer all right.

    Bill him an hour each time you read a post of his (5 minutes time) and another hour for each reply (2 minutes time). That'll learn 'em. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLz.

    Sorry, I worked for the buggers once and did the phone, mail, fax, copier billing breakdowns per client. Had a bad flashback, I did.
    DJCBS likes this.
    01-05-2015 11:45 PM
  14. saras112's Avatar
    Yes...

    Be sure to announce each and every time that the call is being recorded (just like the call centers do) or you could face problems. This way if someone does not want you recording them they can disconnect.

    Again, I think it goes to these being personal communications devices. There are huge issues with recording personal conversations.

    ​Call recording has not ever been baked into a mobile OS, so far as I know. This has always been a 3rd party area.
    Old Nokia phones with Symbian used to record calls
    01-06-2015 12:01 AM
  15. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Yep... That's a lawyer all right.

    Bill him an hour each time you read a post of his (5 minutes time) and another hour for each reply (2 minutes time). That'll learn 'em. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLz.

    Sorry, I worked for the buggers once and did the phone, mail, fax, copier billing breakdowns per client. Had a bad flashback, I did.
    It evens out later. Like the 38 year old lawyer who pleaded with St. Peter there must be some mistake because he was too young to die. St. Peter said: Too young? Based on your hourly billing you're at least 85.
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    01-06-2015 07:16 AM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Old Nokia phones with Symbian used to record calls
    ​Baked into the OS?

    Never saw it on my E5-00.
    01-06-2015 11:47 AM
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