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  1. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    I know this isn't everyone, but please for those of you that do this, please STOP.
    Look at this: https://twitter.com/ThomasNigro/stat...92092953657345

    It's outrageous that people have this idea that apps just magically make themselves, and that they should come IMMEDIATELY bug-free.
    This one, now this one is embarrassing. It's an embarrassment to our entire community:
    Be patient, people! You should be happy that they are supporting our platform! Be happy! Be excited that we're getting these official apps!

    Edit: Remember, app developers are people too!
    Last edited by Nicholas Maguire; 01-05-2015 at 05:28 PM.
    01-05-2015 05:07 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    Always said this was Whiners Phone Central (now without the Phone of course)......
    01-05-2015 05:11 PM
  3. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure dumb poorly thought out comments aren't a Windows Phone exclusive.
    01-05-2015 05:14 PM
  4. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    Always said this was Whiners Phone Central (now without the Phone of course)......
    Yes, that is almost all the comment section and forums are here. Whining and more whining. No doubt the guy who left that review whines on the articles here too. "wheres snapchat? this beta is buggy! im leaving to iphone!"

    And sorry, I think this is the first time I've had to rant, but these fools are embarrassing us. We were called out by VideoLan themselves!
    01-05-2015 05:16 PM
  5. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure dumb poorly thought out comments aren't a Windows Phone exclusive.
    VideoLan said they never seen reviews like that on the other platforms. They're talking about how the review specifically insults Thomas. That is unacceptable.

    Edit: And I know that. I'm simply saying that we as Windows Phone users should support the developers that come to us without all of this nonsense. This is a pretty common thing you see when reading the comments on Windows Central articles. Just a ton of whining about apps that aren't here yet, apps that didn't live up to people's expectations, and apps that JUST arrived in beta not fully functional yet. Some of these Windows Phone users here are the RUDEST I've ever seen.
    Last edited by Nicholas Maguire; 01-05-2015 at 05:33 PM.
    01-05-2015 05:17 PM
  6. mjrtoo's Avatar
    When did we start taking twitter seriously?
    01-05-2015 05:21 PM
  7. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    When did we start taking twitter seriously?
    I'm pretty sure Twitter has always been taken seriously. Especially when it's the app developers themselves calling out the users.

    Edit: Here's more:
    01-05-2015 05:27 PM
  8. jhoff80's Avatar
    I just wrote a long reply to this on Reddit, but it's just as applicable here (and to be honest, a thread about it here telling people to stop being jerks is probably pretty pointless as I doubt it's anyone who would be on this site who would post a review like that):

    The maintainer of the VideoLAN twitter account is upset that someone called out Thomas Nigro by name.

    I partially understand VideoLAN's stance here. Thomas has put in inordinate amounts of work to get this up and running, and the reviewer is being rude in response to that.

    That being said, VideoLAN's communication has been absolutely terrible ever since the Kickstarter (which had unrealistic timelines in the first place). Thomas has had a habit on Twitter of promising release dates that never came, so of course people are feeling like the app has been slow in coming.

    And they say that they haven't had responses like this on other platforms, but they also didn't take $70,000 of people's money before releasing on other platforms. Now I fully realize myself that Kickstarter money is really just a donation and nobody should expect anything more from it (anything else is just a nice bonus), but there are a lot of people who (ignorantly, of course) don't see it that way. All of the optimism in the VLC news updates there did nothing to discourage that.

    And to be honest, the developer was called slow, it's not like someone swore at him. I mean, like I said, it's rude to be called slow when you've spent a ton of time working on something, but I bet even Thomas Nigro himself would agree that the project has taken far longer than even he would have liked.

    TL:DR- people suck, but the kneejerk reaction from VLC is just as sucky.
    01-05-2015 05:41 PM
  9. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    I just wrote a long reply to this on Reddit, but it's just as applicable here (and to be honest, a thread about it here telling people to stop being jerks is probably pretty pointless as I doubt it's anyone who would be on this site who would post a review like that):
    I'd actually be certain that it's either someone who uses this site, or someone from WMPoweruser who wrote that review. Most regular people wouldn't know the name of one of the developers, and the mentioned sites are the two biggest havens for whiners.

    Edit: Also, I like your reply, it's reasonable/logical. Thanks.
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    01-05-2015 05:51 PM
  10. jhoff80's Avatar
    Most regular people wouldn't know the name of one of the developers
    That's actually a decent point that I hadn't considered.
    snowmutt likes this.
    01-05-2015 05:54 PM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    Nothing like being up late trying to solve a seemingly simple problem in code for a programming class to bring some perspective to things.

    Admittedly, they probably haven't seen it on other platforms since Windows Phone is an awkward third and it already popped up quite some time ago on the others and those people probably didn't have a solid point-of-reference.
    Naturally, someone is going to think through whatever logic they use that the dev has GOT to be some lazy person since it just didn't magically materialize.

    I often sense a conflict at times between:
    I NEED (insert app or update of choice here) NOW NOW NOW STOP BEING SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL GO (some other phone platform of choice)
    and
    (ditto) IS HALF BAKED RUSHED TOO BUGGY!!!!!! (developer or company of choice) SUCK

    But oh well, I need my perfect, flawless, polished Windows 11 on my Treo yesterday or I'm going Symbian. (slight exaggeration of course)
    I did see "Windows Phone Wait.1" on reddit yesterday, made me chuckle, but meh.

    If anything, I'd like VLC to put out a PSA on the app to not be a dip, so hopefully mr. too slow here can see it, where one may not on twitter.
    01-05-2015 06:08 PM
  12. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I realize now that I am not the most impatient person in the world...

    I really think this happens because some Windows Phone users out there are converts, and probably forced-converts, from other platform(s). They have (very) high expectations to this alien platform due to their experience with the other platform(s).
    snowmutt likes this.
    01-05-2015 06:23 PM
  13. Jazmac's Avatar
    I know what you mean xandros9. I would rather have it done right than rush it to the store not ready for prime time. Its almost here. Its closer than its ever been and I have to say, it looks TIGHT as hell. Not a lot of developers have put this kind of effort into a product for this device as VideoLan did for Windows Phone IMHO. This app really looks sweet. So Thomas Nigro, nix the haters. Don't release it until you believe its ready.

    Whiners gonna whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine. -Taylor Swift
    01-05-2015 06:34 PM
  14. link68759's Avatar
    TL:DR- people suck, but the kneejerk reaction from VLC is just as sucky.

    What was their reaction?
    01-05-2015 06:42 PM
  15. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    What was their reaction?
    Their reactions were the tweets I embedded.
    01-05-2015 06:59 PM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure dumb poorly thought out comments aren't a Windows Phone exclusive.
    No, it's not exclusive to Windows Phone. But as someone who uses Windows Central and AndroidCentral a lot (also iMore and CrackBerry, but much less), I've always said that this one is far worse. Users here are much more harsh to opposing opinions, and also much more critical of the other platforms. I think VideoLAN's response is valid.
    01-05-2015 07:27 PM
  17. BatteryLife's Avatar
    No, it's not exclusive to Windows Phone. But as someone who uses Windows Central and AndroidCentral a lot (also iMore and CrackBerry, but much less), I've always said that this one is far worse. Users here are much more harsh to opposing opinions, and also much more critical of the other platforms. I think VideoLAN's response is valid.
    Yeah, it's like someone giving you a gift/present, and you said you hate it openly in front of them/social media.

    The devs ain't even doing it for money. They don't need publicity as they are already popular and famous. If these whiners paid for it, it might still be more logical to urge the dev to polish the app quickly, albeit in more civilised manner. But if it's free, you don't do that. You don't do that, ever.

    But yeah, I agree with what you said on people here being very critical of other platforms, and always go saying WP is always the best platform. However, it does not really occur when I joined 1 year+ ago. That's why I feel tired to visit the forums and reply to a thread. Because, any statement you have supporting or even giving mere credit to other platforms will have you bashed and your comment will be ignored.

    And W. Central-ers, THIS TWEET IS A TRULY A WHINE. Don't go around calling EVERY SINGLE THING a whine when it's actually not. This is just plain annoying. Why can't one raise one's opinion? Forums are meant for discussion/sharing of information. Some (many, actually) of the forumers here will ask you to "move to iOS or Android" or "leave WP" or even "goodbye" when you share something good, or even, comment on probable improvement in WP. That is PLAIN ANNOYING.

    Sorry for the long post xP
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    01-05-2015 07:39 PM
  18. Darthbobcat's Avatar
    Is the app generally available yet? It makes me want to download it and give it a good review.

    Also, has anyone flagged that jerk yet? That's gotta be a breach of some community guideline.
    01-05-2015 11:30 PM
  19. RumoredNow's Avatar
    To the OP... Some people practice at it. For others it comes naturally.

    Remember what the bumper sticker says: You Can't Fix Stupid.

    Issue> smi20.gif < OP
    01-05-2015 11:48 PM
  20. stephen_az's Avatar
    Always said this was Whiners Phone Central (now without the Phone of course)......
    Now there is a constructive comment....
    snowmutt, aximtreo and rockstarzzz like this.
    01-06-2015 12:17 AM
  21. stephen_az's Avatar
    No, it's not exclusive to Windows Phone. But as someone who uses Windows Central and AndroidCentral a lot (also iMore and CrackBerry, but much less), I've always said that this one is far worse. Users here are much more harsh to opposing opinions, and also much more critical of the other platforms. I think VideoLAN's response is valid.
    The OP is quite correct. You, on the other hand are not. Anyone who could claim this place is the worst, and actually mentions having spent time in the Crackberry forums, has a truly unique perspective regarding appropriate behavior and politeness. I am sorry but obnoxiousness is the nature of most forums and these aren't even in the top ten....
    01-06-2015 12:22 AM
  22. Shobin Drogan's Avatar
    Im sorry but am i the only one here who thinks the second commenter is right, you see people do that EVERYWHERE, why are we supposed to be surprised?
    I should stress that i'm not on anyone's side right now but you know the internet has 12 year trolls absolutely everywhere and i mean EVERYWHERE.
    I know it really s*cks when you are trying to make something for people and there are 2 or 3 people that will be there to talk sh*t, but that happens in everywhere in the internet man come on.
    Why is he flipping his table because someone typed that?
    Again, not picking sides, just stating my opinion.
    01-06-2015 02:24 AM
  23. Dratwister's Avatar
    I wouldn't comment like that on marketplace.Actually, I don't even care about using VLC on my phone (Even though I donated to their kickstarter project cause I wanted to support developers). But wasn't that reviewer right?
    I'm sorry but slow is slow. They're the ones who asked for donation to develop VLC for Windows 8 (and WP8 as they stated). And the last time I check, the fund reaches over 47k (their designated goal was 40k)
    And now they quote a single negative review in marketplace to blame a whole community? I'm sorry but that just seem like they're finding another reason to excuse and delay the app again IMO.

    Edit: after reading the tweets again, they even threaten WP community to pull the app out? After all promises that they gave and money that they got? Now that's just unacceptable! If they don't want to make an app for WP then don't state it in their fund finding video. WP users are not beggar that begged them for their app without paying.
    01-06-2015 02:44 AM
  24. hidayat225's Avatar
    I agree, I think it's as bad as stereotyping a race. Butthurt much.

    Donations are donations but threatening to pull out the app after a puny comment is just as childish as that troll who commented.
    01-06-2015 03:10 AM
  25. snowmutt's Avatar
    I wouldn't comment like that on marketplace.Actually, I don't even care about using VLC on my phone (Even though I donated to their kickstarter project cause I wanted to support developers). But wasn't that reviewer right?
    I'm sorry but slow is slow. They're the ones who asked for donation to develop VLC for Windows 8 (and WP8 as they stated). And the last time I check, the fund reaches over 47k (their designated goal was 40k)
    And now they quote a single negative review in marketplace to blame a whole community? I'm sorry but that just seem like they're finding another reason to excuse and delay the app again IMO.

    Edit: after reading the tweets again, they even threaten WP community to pull the app out? After all promises that they gave and money that they got? Now that's just unacceptable! If they don't want to make an app for WP then don't state it in their fund finding video. WP users are not beggar that begged them for their app without paying.
    What Dratwister said.

    I can respect dealing with the poster who called out a member of their team on Twitter if that is what they want. Seems a little thin skinned, but fine. No sweat. Your right. Go team.

    But using that one comment to call out an entire community that showed their "rudeness" like no other community to the tune of $70,000???

    If the kick starter cash wasn't the beat-all end-all sign of respect for their company, than I am going to need the example of what is the beat-all end-all sign of respect for their company that Android or iOS provided.
    01-06-2015 03:15 AM
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