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02-12-2015 10:10 AM
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  1. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    Yesterday snapchat tweeted that accounts that were banned for using unofficial apps would be unlocked as soon as you logged in on the latest version. It seemed like a step in right direction and then they deleted the tweet to remake it with "ios and android users" which felt like a deliberate slap in the face.
    So now our situation seems to have not changed but at the very least we can get our accounts back. Fixing part of the problem is better than fixing none of it I guess. (For the record I was able to login in bluestacks but couldn't really use it because it kept crashing)
    02-07-2015 10:36 AM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    I'm not seeing that tweet, can you enlighten me?

    (all I found was someone begging to be unlocked...)
    02-07-2015 12:04 PM
  3. odoggyfresh's Avatar
    Yesterday snapchat tweeted that accounts that were banned for using unofficial apps would be unlocked as soon as you logged in on the latest version. It seemed like a step in right direction and then they deleted the tweet to remake it with "ios and android users" which felt like a deliberate slap in the face.
    So now our situation seems to have not changed but at the very least we can get our accounts back. Fixing part of the problem is better than fixing none of it I guess. (For the record I was able to login in bluestacks but couldn't really use it because it kept crashing)
    I am a bluestacks (and previously 6snap) user as well, and bluestacks keeps crashing for me too. Any idea why this is happening?
    02-07-2015 12:16 PM
  4. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    I'm not seeing that tweet, can you enlighten me?

    (all I found was someone begging to be unlocked...)
    The tweet was from @snapchatsupport not their main account
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    02-07-2015 12:37 PM
  5. xandros9's Avatar
    "Hi! If you are on iOS/Android & were locked for using 3rd party apps, you can now login by updating to the newest version of Snapchat :)"

    Probably catering to the users of unofficial clients over on those two platforms.
    02-07-2015 12:57 PM
  6. odoggyfresh's Avatar
    just bring a damn app to Windows Phone already lol. It's the only one I'm waiting for!
    02-07-2015 01:01 PM
  7. WinampLlama's Avatar
    Weird, mine was banned/unlocked a few times when I kept trying to get 6snap working but eventually gave up and just use it on my spare ios device. I never got permabanned
    02-08-2015 01:14 PM
  8. oscartoledo05's Avatar
    My account has just been fully locked, I have no chance to unblock. I've been said that the only way I have to use snapchat is by creating another account. Thanks Snapchat, you SUCK.
    02-08-2015 01:15 PM
  9. heli0m's Avatar
    I unlocked my account by updating to the latest on my iPad but I had to change my password and and and they logged me out of 6snap... ):
    02-08-2015 01:39 PM
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    02-08-2015 01:52 PM
  11. rhapdog's Avatar
    "Hi! If you are on iOS/Android & were locked for using 3rd party apps, you can now login by updating to the newest version of Snapchat :)"

    Probably catering to the users of unofficial clients over on those two platforms.
    I see nothing about catering to users of unofficial clients. The tweet says they have to use the newest version of Snapchat. Sounds like unofficial clients are not allowed. They are specifying iOS/Android because there is no Snapchat on WP. It didn't say "newest version of your Snapchat client", it said "newest version of Snapchat."

    Yeah, they are giving people a second chance, as long as they agree to start using their app and not a 3rd party.

    I'm curios... do they put ads in Snapchat? If so, it's probably a matter of revenue loss.
    02-08-2015 01:54 PM
  12. heli0m's Avatar
    Snapchat has like things on your friends list that give you a miniature insight on the event, like a recap of the NFL games, that appear every once in a while. They also have a new feature called Discover which in my opinion is meh. But if they are getting paid on views for those, kek. Just make it a rule those have to appear on third party apps, ya know ? They're optional to view anyways.
    xandros9 likes this.
    02-08-2015 06:45 PM
  13. minimejer05's Avatar
    Swapchat has been republished to the store. Would signing in create a possible risk of banning?
    02-08-2015 07:44 PM
  14. heli0m's Avatar
    Swapchat has been republished to the store. Would signing in create a possible risk of banning?
    Cant sign in even if i tried. Told me to update to latest version. :P
    02-08-2015 07:52 PM
  15. minimejer05's Avatar
    Odd. Let me sign in with a newly created test account.
    02-08-2015 08:23 PM
  16. xandros9's Avatar
    I have no reason to believe their position on unofficial apps has changed one bit. Just looks like they're being nice to people who have the option to use official apps, although if someone was banned they'd probably create a new account by now if they cared enough.
    02-08-2015 08:27 PM
  17. Jazmac's Avatar
    They don't seem to care to much about serving the public as they pretend to. This is a legit platform with users that have no intentions of leaving it, who want to support Snapchat. Why won't they simply create a pathway for us? Smaller companies like YouVersion create bible apps for ALL platforms for free but these guys have this isolationist business model.

    "Snapchat has always celebrated the way that you and your friends see the world. Its fun to experience different perspectives through Snaps, Stories and Our Story."

    Well some of my friends use android, some use ios and some use Windows phones. How in the hell can you talk about "me and my friends sharing" when you lock my friends out of that experience simply because you wear blinders like a bunch of plow horses?
    02-09-2015 03:01 AM
  18. rhapdog's Avatar
    They don't seem to care to much about serving the public as they pretend to. This is a legit platform with users that have no intentions of leaving it, who want to support Snapchat. Why won't they simply create a pathway for us? Smaller companies like YouVersion create bible apps for ALL platforms for free but these guys have this isolationist business model.

    "Snapchat has always celebrated the way that you and your friends see the world. It’s fun to experience different perspectives through Snaps, Stories and Our Story."
    Bible Apps that are free for all platforms are done by companies in large part as a "mission work" to help spread the word. This is what they believe in. They believe every person should have access to the Bible in their own native language, and send and fund teams of people to go into the world to learn languages where there are no interpreters in order to create a written Bible in that language. It's not about market share for them. It's about reaching every single person that is possible to reach. That's why you will also find the apps on Symbian, BlackBerry, and every flavor of every proprietary feature phone available (nearly).

    Snapchat is all about the money. They are a business and they are in the business of making money, otherwise they would be called a charity. A business will say or do whatever it takes to convince you that they are your friend and want to do what is best for you, but they only do this to get your money. Case in point, the Used Car Salesman. He's your buddy. He wants you to have the best car. He wants you to drive away "happy." Actually, he just wants that paycheck you just got so he can spend it on himself. He doesn't really care if the car he just sold you breaks down on the way home from the dealership, as long as you aren't able to sue him for it.

    When companies give you that "We Love You" kind of garbage line, know that they are in business to make money. There are places you can give your money that aren't in it "just for the money." They are called Charities. With those, however, when you give them your money you get a good feeling instead of a product. That's okay, too.

    I can't be mad at Snapchat for not wanting to do Windows Phone. I've heard developer after developer state it's hard to make any money developing for Windows Phone, because there is practically no ad revenue, which is due to the small user base.

    Why due to the small user base? You say there are plenty of Windows Phone users. Yes, there are... but let's look how it really breaks down to ad revenue.

    1. 70 million Windows Phone users in the entire world.
    2. Your app is limited to the number of Windows Phone users possibly for a particular region or language, which cuts the number down dramatically. In the United States, less people use WP than anywhere else in the world, so it is a very small percentage of the 70 million.
    3. Of those, let's be generous and say 10 million WP users in the USA, how many of those 10 million will download and use YOUR app? 1% would be a very generous number. Even with that many, it would only be 100,000 people, out of 250,000,000. Actually, there are an extremely limited number of apps that get that many downloads. That's usually counting iOS and Android downloads in there to get that many for a single app.
    4. Out of 100,000, how many of those use the app every single day? Probably less than 1%. 5% once a week? Most of my apps, I use less than once a month. I use the Facebook app fairly often, which is every other day, for like 10 minutes. I know people that are glued to the Facebook app nearly 24/7, but that's not everyone.
    5. Okay, 1% may use the app every day to help create revenue from ads. That's about 1000 people. How many of these people "click" the ads in order to generate revenue for the app developer? Probably about 1 in 1000.

    I realize all of this is just made up, hypothetical stuff, but it gives you a general idea of how the world works around this stuff. In the above example, out of 70 million WP users, a particular app developer is getting 1 ad click per day to pay his bills to keep his lights on. If this were a business development team instead of a home hobbyist, they would go broke pretty quick.

    I know, you will say that a lot more people on WP would use it. I doubt the number of WP snapchat users would be more than 100,000, and I seriously doubt the number of people that take actions while using snapchat will actually generate revenue for the company. They are in a position where they need the largest possible user base with the least possible effort just to stay afloat. If they were to put someone on the job to develop an in-house app for snapchat, the investors who are currently keeping the company afloat would cry foul. It's all about the bottom line and keeping the investors happy.

    Now, once Microsoft gets to the point that they release a version of Visual Studio that lets a developer press a button and "Presto!", compiles are made for iOS, Android, and W10 for phones all without having to do any code modification to make it work, then it will become profitable to do so. Until then, too much in resources is wasted on just not making enough money to cover those resources.

    You say, "Well, they don't have to continue to support it, just release something once and we'll be happy." Seriously, haven't you heard the cries of foul over developers not releasing updates? Plus, snapchat has been adding new features to their service right and left lately, which means more development time on all the apps they have to keep up with. Keeping up with a WP app right now just isn't economical for the payoff.

    I really hate saying any of this. It makes me sound like I'm anti-Windows Phone, when I'm probably the most avid supporter of it. Windows Phone is hands down the best mobile phone OS on the market today. I wish more people go the chance to see that. But, business is business. I've been a CIO, and I can see that.

    Windows 10 is the FIRST step to change all this. A version of Visual Studio that I discussed above will have to be the second step, and getting developers to adopt that new version of Visual Studio for their iOS and Android work is the 3rd step. We get there, and we'll be not just catching up, but surpassing others in phone market share. Yes, it is going to take a bit longer for all this to be in place. I will be here watching and waiting for it to come to fruition. My personal outlook is that it will take 3 years, but in 3 years it will be glorious.
    tgp and Laura Knotek like this.
    02-09-2015 11:31 AM
  19. Timothy Ayernor's Avatar
    Too late, already deleted 6snap. Sad
    02-09-2015 11:45 AM
  20. Jazmac's Avatar
    "Bible Apps that are free for all platforms are done by companies in large part as a "mission work" to help spread the word. This is what they believe in. They believe every person should have access to the Bible in their own native language, and send and fund teams of people to go into the world to learn languages where there are no interpreters in order to create a written Bible in that language. It's not about market share for them. It's about reaching every single person that is possible to reach. That's why you will also find the apps on Symbian, BlackBerry, and every flavor of every proprietary feature phone available (nearly)."

    I'm sorry but are you attempting to justify for Snapchat why they won't support us and why do you assume those that do the work of God's people are able to do this without money? Beyond that, my only point is smaller companies can do it, why not the devs at Snapchat. They are not supporting the people they claim to love so much. They are not supporting us. They simply are not.
    Last edited by Jazmac; 02-09-2015 at 02:08 PM.
    02-09-2015 01:55 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    I know, you will say that a lot more people on WP would use it. I doubt the number of WP snapchat users would be more than 100,000, and I seriously doubt the number of people that take actions while using snapchat will actually generate revenue for the company.
    We don't always see eye to eye , but I agree with your entire post. One thing about Snapchat user numbers though: last summer Snapchat reported 100 million active monthly users. If you use WP's worldwide market share of 3%, that would make 3 million WP Snapchat users. I'm not sure how that number holds out in real life though.

    I'm sorry but are you attempting to justify for Snapchat why they won't support us and why do you assume those that do the work of God's people are able to do this without money? Beyond that, my only point is smaller companies can do it, why not the devs at Snapchat. They are not supporting the people they claim to love so much. They are not supporting us. They simply are not.
    What he's saying is basically that the Bible app developers are non profit, with a goal of reaching as many people as possible. Their goal is not to make a profit. If it costs $100,000 to reach 2 billion users, another $100,000 to reach 900 million more, and another $100,000 to reach the last 50 million, they will do it (provided the funds are available). A for profit business would not if they felt the ROI wan't there.
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    02-09-2015 04:17 PM
  22. rhapdog's Avatar
    I'm sorry but are you attempting to justify for Snapchat why they won't support us and why do you assume those that do the work of God's people are able to do this without money? Beyond that, my only point is smaller companies can do it, why not the devs at Snapchat. They are not supporting the people they claim to love so much. They are not supporting us. They simply are not.
    What he's saying is basically that the Bible app developers are non profit, with a goal of reaching as many people as possible. Their goal is not to make a profit. If it costs $100,000 to reach 2 billion users, another $100,000 to reach 900 million more, and another $100,000 to reach the last 50 million, they will do it (provided the funds are available). A for profit business would not if they felt the ROI wan't there.
    Thanks, tgp. Couldn't have explained it better myself.
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    02-10-2015 03:52 PM
  23. Jazmac's Avatar
    For tgp and rhapdog, I don't agree but I do want to give you both props for disagreeing without being disagreeable in the process. This is why I continue to come here and that is to share and learn from in this ecosystem. I owe you both a beer next time you come to Vegas. You both missed my main point but I owe you both a cold one.
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    02-10-2015 10:12 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    You both missed my main point but I owe you both a cold one.
    I don't drink, but a cold Diet Coke is always welcome!
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    02-10-2015 10:39 PM
  25. rhapdog's Avatar
    For tgp and rhapdog, I don't agree but I do want to give you both props for disagreeing without being disagreeable in the process. This is why I continue to come here and that is to share and learn from in this ecosystem. I owe you both a beer next time you come to Vegas. You both missed my main point but I owe you both a cold one.
    Jazmac, nobody ever agrees with anybody on 100% of every issue. I'd rather have a discussion on an issue. I despise having arguments. I like discussions. That is why I have participated in this discussion, but avoid some of the posted topics on this site. Thank you for adding meaningful discussion to these forums. While I won't always see eye-to-eye with you, I'm sure we will see eye-to-eye at times. Unless you don't like cheese. I'm not sure if people who don't like cheese can be trusted. (Yeah, the cheese part is a cheesy joke. Sorry about that, it's my nature.)

    Well, like tgp, I don't do the beer. My choice is coffee... Man, I love me some coffee. Or sweet iced tea.

    If I'm ever out there, though, I'll have to look you up and perhaps we can share a pizza. Everybody has to love pizza.

    I think I did get your point, though. You were saying a company should not be allowed to say they care about people if they don't show it. Clearly, snapchat has a rather hypocritical stance. They say one thing, and do another.

    I do indeed believe the right thing for them to do would be to create a WP app. I think every single company that wants business from customers need to be making a Windows Phone app right along side every blasted Android and iOS app.

    For example, I have a bluetooth headset that I purchased from Plantronics. The Plantronics Voyager Legend. Awesome piece of technology, and outperforms every other Bluetooth headset on the market... but, if I want to make configuration changes, I have to find a PC with XP installed to be able to run their headset updater software, because even though they say it works with Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1, it doesn't. This has been repeatedly reported by numerous users to them over and over again. They ignore it. They say their programmer tested it, stated it works, therefore it works. I demanded another option to update the headset to configure it, so they told me I could use the Android or iPhone app to do so. I let them know if they couldn't be bothered to make a Windows Phone app, then I can't be bothered to replace my headset with another Plantronics when I make a new purchase next month. I let them know that I would express my displeasure with my wallet.

    Now I'm looking at what other companies have come up with, because I do need a replacement. My current 3 year old headset is now being held together with electrical tape until I can get an alternative. It will have to be something compatible with WP and with a WP app. I did a nice tape job. You can't even see it on the black headset. I figure I've got about another 30-45 days minimum before I'll be forced to make a purchase, so that should give plenty of time to research properly.

    Snapchat does need to wake up, though. They will regret their actions in the long run. Windows 10 will eventually make Windows Phones much more popular, especially the way Samsung has been stumbling lately. Other companies are now putting out applications like Snapchat, but that will disable the ability to take a screenshot on the receiving phone. These are being marketed to corporate users instead of teenagers, and offer a much better degree of security instead of the "feel good about it" that you get with Snapchat. When these corporate people start using those new programs, and they start bringing those programs into their personal lives, it will filter to their families, which will cause it to filter to the teens, which will cause Snapchat to be displaced because they can't match the security of these superior services.

    Snapchat has made multiple management level decisions that are simply not good for the company. Windows Phone being one of them, and lack of security being another. The hack a little while back showed just how bad their security has been, as all that was stolen was never supposed to be stored to begin with. Can you say "not good for user trust?" The only reason people still use snapchat is because all their friends use it. I believe if the trust issues were explained to those friends, then all those friends could find a better alternative fairly quickly, because there are numerous ones out there.

    Again, my opinion, and my opinion may not always be the most insightful, but I do try to use a minimum of 2 brain cells when arriving at an opinion, which makes it better than most, I believe. (Also my opinion.)

    Oh, man... I can really get carried away sometimes with these really, really, really long posts. (see what I did there, made it longer by saying "really" three times, then explained how I made it longer which made it even longer.)

    ---------------
    Rhapdog - Master of the extraordinarily long post.
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    02-11-2015 02:19 PM
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