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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Three percent market share is still 60 million potential users. Couple this with the fact that these CEO ignore the MS ecosystem because they have a personal beef with MS. Especially when MS was going to do all their leg work and provide an app for them at no cost? THAT is immaturity.
    It's not 60 million. Did you not read my post? It's 46 million. WP is only ~2.8% of the ~1.69 billion users as of fourth quarter results 2014. The user volume decreased, it's the only platform of the top three to do so. Apple sold almost double the amount of iPhones in the fourth quarter than WP has users.

    Is this sinking in yet?
    03-31-2015 12:15 PM
  2. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    It's not 60 million. Did you not read my post? It's 46 million. WP is only ~2.8% of the ~1.69 billion users as of fourth quarter results 2014. The user volume decreased, it's the only platform of the top three to do so. Apple sold almost double the amount of iPhones in the fourth quarter than WP has users.
    Save it. I don't care. Target fixate on the number all you want, it doesn't make the immaturity statement any less legitimate. It doesn't matter if there are 20 million users. Microsoft was going to develop the apps and maintain it for them, at no cost, and they said no.....because they are 30-someodd-year old babies that grew up in the time when it was cool to loathe MS.
    03-31-2015 01:27 PM
  3. Jakoh's Avatar
    Err Telegram & BBM (the beta just recently got updated too) are still in the store, I find it amusing that people use snapchat just like they use whatsapp... and the other draw of snapchat is "Stories". Honestly anyone else can replicate what they are doing and probably do it better, once that happens - bye bye SnapChat.
    I think they realize that...thats why they are trying to become a Media company.
    03-31-2015 08:06 PM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Save it. I don't care. Target fixate on the number all you want, it doesn't make the immaturity statement any less legitimate. It doesn't matter if there are 20 million users. Microsoft was going to develop the apps and maintain it for them, at no cost, and they said no.....because they are 30-someodd-year old babies that grew up in the time when it was cool to loathe MS.
    I'm just stating facts. It's business, nothing personal. If they said what you believe is immature things then that's your perception. They might just be saying things you don't like to hear.
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    04-01-2015 01:19 AM
  5. WinampLlama's Avatar
    Although it is stupid, popularity is king. And ive had a handful of friends who loved my camera, and how quick my phone was, but because it didn't have snapchat they didn't want to switch to it. Little games and stuff too - unfortunately
    Yeah, it's really too bad. A lot of people are like: oh cool phone, I heard there's aren't that many apps, any big ones missing? Snapchat is usually the deal breaker :/
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    04-02-2015 05:41 PM
  6. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    I'm just stating facts. It's business, nothing personal. If they said what you believe is immature things then that's your perception. They might just be saying things you don't like to hear.
    You state "it's a business decision" as if a 23 year old frat boy is the greatest businessman to ever live and not some ******* kid who lucked out and made an app that got popular. Snapchat doesn't make money, they just take billions from investors on the promise that it might someday. Yes, this has absolutely everything to do with the CEO being a huge ********* who hates Microsoft. He would never be a CEO at any company that wasn't his personal plaything, and if I were Microsoft and in a particularly spiteful mood, I'd buy them out even if it meant overpaying by 10 times what its worth just so I could throw his *** on the street. As you can see, I'm equally as qualified to run a company as he is.
    04-03-2015 04:07 PM
  7. Oliverspin's Avatar
    just so I could throw his *** on the street.
    If MS overpaid by 10 times, he wouldn't exactly be... on the street!
    04-04-2015 06:48 PM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You state "it's a business decision" as if a 23 year old frat boy is the greatest businessman to ever live and not some ******* kid who lucked out and made an app that got popular. Snapchat doesn't make money, they just take billions from investors on the promise that it might someday. Yes, this has absolutely everything to do with the CEO being a huge ********* who hates Microsoft. He would never be a CEO at any company that wasn't his personal plaything, and if I were Microsoft and in a particularly spiteful mood, I'd buy them out even if it meant overpaying by 10 times what its worth just so I could throw his *** on the street. As you can see, I'm equally as qualified to run a company as he is.
    He's no different than any other CEO. If you believe differently then you're living under a rock. All CEO's are assholes. It's part of the job and if you can't deal with that then you shouldn't be a CEO. There's no such thing as Mr. Nice Guy in CEO land. If MS were to shut down tomorrow the CEOs will all have other jobs, it would be the other employees who might struggle. That's reality. To the CEO, it's just another job.

    IF WP had the market share this wouldn't be an issue with any app. They'd all be bending over backwards to get an app out like they do for iPhone or Android but even there not all apps are on all ecosystems. So it's not as black and white as most people make it.

    If you want to be angry at anyone you should be angry at the app developers who circumvented the Snapchat policies. You cannot blame the makers of Snapchat for wanting to ensure the app works as described. You also cannot blame them for not wanting to make an app for such a small ecosystem of less than 3%. Of which maybe 50% or less would use the app.

    Unfortunately WP is in that situation. It's not up to me or you to fix that.

    The good news is that WP will probably still be around when Snapchat tanks sometime soon. Think of it like that. There's a happy thought for you.
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    04-07-2015 04:09 AM
  9. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    The raison d'tre for Snapchat is long gone there's no point in supporting this bullcrap, regardless of whether there was a good app for WP or not. This company should be left crash and burn.
    04-07-2015 09:57 AM
  10. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Snapchat will probably never come which gives a good opportunity for someone to program a similar app like Snapchat for Windows phone/Windows 10 and other mobile devices.

    Whoever does it first gets to enjoy to benefit of helping the community having an app that's considered trivial at best as to why it exists. :P
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-07-2015 09:59 AM
  11. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    Again, a lot of you seem to be confusing an immature college dropout who made an app with someone with years of training and experience in business. If you think he couldn't possibly inject his own anti Microsoft vendetta into his business, you're delusional. He refuses to be publicly interviewed because he knows they'll expose him for the genuinely awful person he is (way beyond just blocking us out, he's a gross sexist) and everyone will realize anyone could have made snapchat and he isn't special. The app doesn't even make money, he got rich because investors just threw money at him.
    This is actually a horrible trend with online startups that needs to stop, especially now that everything is app based instead of web based (as was the case with Facebook etc) because it gives pricks like Spiegel and every other silicon valley dbag who makes a "trendy" service, power to sabotage Microsoft or any other company they don't like by artificially limiting access to what may become a service the other 90% of the world becomes reliant on. I'm tired of having to explain to my friends why I can't use snapchat and telling them to use something else just isn't an option, but I'm not going to change platforms unless it is 100% on my own terms. I won't be bullied into it by a smug a-hole.
    04-08-2015 06:20 PM
  12. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    While I agree that the snapchat developer in himself isn't special, after two weeks on an iPhone, I can tell you the app gap is real. Let's ignore the missing titles, the actual experience in each Windows Phone app is years behind the experience on iOS. So, I doubt us getting snapchat is top priority. Top priority is getting ANY first party app that is up to par.


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    04-08-2015 06:31 PM
  13. rhapdog's Avatar
    Actually, SnapChat was released for Windows Phone just this morning. Well, in an alternate reality. Reality number 72596 of the 72+ Billion alternate realities that I've been tracking through a dimensional rift that appeared inside my closet. I've been investigating Windows Phone progress in many of these realities. In many, Microsoft never made a phone, never got past XP, and is bankrupt. However, in 72596, Microsoft is a world-wide Monopoly. There is no Android or iOS, just Microsoft. Everyone walks around wearing a HoloLens that has a 6 week battery life, and is the size of a standard pair of sunglasses (even looks like standard sunglasses.)

    The Hololens is, of course, the phone, computer, fitness tracker wearable, etc. They do have a Microsoft Band, but it's not a fitness tracker. It's fitted with Mic, Speaker, and a 3D camera system so that you can do skype in 3D with your friends and they can see you when you aim your wrist at yourself, in full 3D glory.

    Unfortunately, the SnapChat in that particular reality is in pretty bad shape. Shortly after being put up on the Microsoft Store, security holes were discovered due to Spiegel putting code in the app to steal credit card information for identity theft purposes. He was arrested, tried, and convicted this afternoon, and will face a firing squad tomorrow morning. I'll see if I can get a video of the event brought over to our reality. I'm sure several here would like to see that.

    Yeah, yeah, if anyone here believes any of this, then I've got a great idea for a startup that I'll sell you for the bargain price of $20 Billion dollars. You don't even need to know what it is or what it does, just take my word for it. ;) I'll let you know what it is as soon as the funds are safely in my account. Yeah, that's it.

    I wonder how many people choked on a sandwich or spit their coffee out when they read the first sentence of this post?
    04-08-2015 09:51 PM
  14. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    How are the Blackhawks doing this season in that universe because I kind of want to move there
    04-08-2015 10:01 PM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    If you think he couldn't possibly inject his own anti Microsoft vendetta into his business, you're delusional.
    I think the delusion runs both ways if you ask me.

    So are you more upset that you own a third tier OS that has a track record of not getting apps, not having apps updated, having apps removed and not being able to rise about 5% market share or do you just think everyone is out to get Microsoft? The poor gigantic ridiculously rich company that should be taking care of this mess? Yes, MS is a company, not a person. I don't feel sorry for MS one bit. I don't feel sorry for the owners of WP one bit.

    Let me guess, you got in to WP because of Nokia didn't you? Like most other people, not because you understood the OS.

    If I was a developer of a popular app I probably wouldn't bother with WP either. There is little incentive to do so.

    Yes, WP is a great OS, yes it runs great on low end hardware but that's it. Without market share that means absolutely nothing.

    Whether the Snapchat CEO is a jerk or not is irrelevant. From a business perspective it doesn't make financial sense to make a WP app at this point in time. That's what people don't seem to get. Why is this so hard to understand? So he made comments about WP and MS. So what? If WP was at Android level of popularity or iOS the devs would be bending over backwards to get an app made. But WP doesn't have that. Maybe never will. We don't know.

    I find it hysterical how many people don't know or understand MS's track record of being nasty.

    At the end of the day it's your choice which ecosystem you went with. If you didn't understand or refuse to accept that WP is 3rd, has a major image problem and that it doesn't get the latest and greatest apps when iOS and Android get them that's your fault. Don't blame the developers for your choice.

    All the people crying about Snapchat and other missing apps are wasting their breath. Beating up on developers and calling them names isn't going to change their perspective either. It gets rather tiring to constantly see thread after thread of people having a whinge.

    Do your research next time and buy something that suits your needs. If you want the latest and greatest apps or the one's your friends are using you're on the wrong ecosystem. Doesn't mean it won't change but here and now is not that moment time.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 04-09-2015 at 09:14 AM.
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  16. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    I think the delusion runs both ways if you ask me.

    So are you more upset that you own a third tier OS that has a track record of not getting apps, not having apps updated, having apps removed and not being able to rise about 5% market share or do you just think everyone is out to get Microsoft? The poor gigantic ridiculously rich company that should be taking care of this mess? Yes, MS is a company, not a person. I don't feel sorry for MS one bit. I don't feel sorry for the owners of WP one bit.

    Let me guess, you got in to WP because of Nokia didn't you? Like most other people, not because you understood the OS.

    If I was a developer of a popular app I probably wouldn't bother with WP either. There is little incentive to do so.

    Yes, WP is a great OS, yes it runs great on low end hardware but that's it. Without market share that means absolutely nothing.

    Whether the Snapchat CEO is a jerk or not is irrelevant. From a business perspective it doesn't make financial sense to make a WP app at this point in time. That's what people don't seem to get. Why is this so hard to understand? So he made comments about WP and MS. So what? If WP was at Android level of popularity or iOS the devs would be bending over backwards to get an app made. But WP doesn't have that. Maybe never will. We don't know.

    I find it hysterical how many people don't know or understand MS's track record of being nasty.

    At the end of the day it's your choice which ecosystem you went with. If you didn't understand or refuse to accept that WP is 3rd, has a major image problem and that it doesn't get the latest and greatest apps when iOS and Android get them that's your fault. Don't blame the developers for your choice.

    All the people crying about Snapchat and other missing apps are wasting their breath. Beating up on developers and calling them names isn't going to change their perspective either. It gets rather tiring to constantly see thread after thread of people having a whinge.

    Do your research next time and buy something that suits your needs. If you want the latest and greatest apps or the one's your friends are using you're on the wrong ecosystem. Doesn't mean it won't change but here and now is not that moment time.
    Many of us got the phones, and into Windows Phone well before Nokia. With that being said, there is no denying that one major issue Microsoft faces is that of biases. Android and iPhone are deeply embedded into the minds of people. Because of this, even interested buyers are turned away. Does this mean percentage points of market share lost? I don't know. But don't be delusional and avoid the fact that it's a superior operating system that has never been given the proper treatment.


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    04-09-2015 08:29 PM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Many of us got the phones, and into Windows Phone well before Nokia. With that being said, there is no denying that one major issue Microsoft faces is that of biases. Android and iPhone are deeply embedded into the minds of people. Because of this, even interested buyers are turned away. Does this mean percentage points of market share lost? I don't know. But don't be delusional and avoid the fact that it's a superior operating system that has never been given the proper treatment.


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    I never said it wasn't a great OS, nor am I delusional. Matter of fact I prefer the original WP8 to the new Android like WP8.1 and W10 that's coming. I'm speaking from experience as I own a WP.

    At the beginning of WP8 there were quite a few unhappy people and all wanting Android like features on the phone. Not saying WP8 was perfect either, but it's sad to see the original concept go.

    Also nowhere did I state that every user of WP came to WP because of Nokia. I was referring to that particular person. The are many people who prefer Nokia to WP OS. That's a fact.

    All I've been doing is pointing out realities but people seem to not get the point. At this moment in time WP is a niche device. Less than 3% worldwide usage. You are not going to get the latest apps nor the popular ones right away. That's the reality. If that's what you want you're in the wrong ecosystem. Complaining about isn't going to change anything. It's up to MS to do something about it. They're the big company with money last time I checked.
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    04-10-2015 12:21 AM
  18. korbenn's Avatar
    You are guys right.

    Yet...

    I've had numerous discussions about the application called SnapChat and the youngsters are all about it, and for those who can't get it now, well, they're steering away from Lumias. Sad.
    04-10-2015 03:50 AM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You are guys right.

    Yet...

    I've had numerous discussions about the application called SnapChat and the youngsters are all about it, and for those who can't get it now, well, they're steering away from Lumias. Sad.
    Well you should say WP, there are more than just Lumia's. Right now Snapchat is the 'in' thing. Just like Instagram was when WP8.0 came out.

    Some things go out of fashion, especially with the younger crowd. As soon as something else comes along that's more 'fun', Snapchat will be like Facebook. :P
    04-10-2015 04:53 AM
  20. korbenn's Avatar
    Here it's either Lumia, Samsung or Xperia, and there's also the budget/ feature phone section, so you're right saying there's more to WP than just Lumia, but here you'd be wrong.

    Back to the subject - how would you rate its future longevity? I give Snapchat 2 more years.
    04-10-2015 06:10 AM
  21. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Well you should say WP, there are more than just Lumia's. Right now Snapchat is the 'in' thing. Just like Instagram was when WP8.0 came out.

    Some things go out of fashion, especially with the younger crowd. As soon as something else comes along that's more 'fun', Snapchat will be like Facebook. :P
    Facebook has been the largest social network ever for years now.


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    04-10-2015 07:36 AM
  22. rideboarder's Avatar
    Since Snapchat will never happen...why doesn't Microsoft add a similar feature to Skype? It shouldn't be too difficult to implement..and as far as I know Skype has a larger user base and most young people have it installed already. Snapchat would essentially be useless at that point.
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    04-10-2015 10:07 AM
  23. TLRtheory's Avatar
    Since Snapchat will never happen...why doesn't Microsoft add a similar feature to Skype? It shouldn't be too difficult to implement..and as far as I know Skype has a larger user base and most young people have it installed already. Snapchat would essentially be useless at that point.
    Isn't that what Skype Qik was supposed to be? At a glance it seemed to offer similar features, but since it was released as a standalone app instead of integrating it into the Skype app I never cared to look into it.
    04-10-2015 08:56 PM
  24. rideboarder's Avatar
    Sadly it wasn't. It only allowed video messages, no pictures. It was also it's own app as you said and it didn't even use Skype user names. Good idea, but extremely poor execution. It wouldn't require much work, but they would have to do these things...

    1) Don't make it a separate app, it needs to be integrated into Skype.
    2) Support video AND pictures (with the usual snapchat features like adding text etc)
    3) Make the app at least as good as it is for ios and android, which they didn't.
    04-10-2015 09:33 PM
  25. rhapdog's Avatar
    Sadly it wasn't. It only allowed video messages, no pictures. It was also it's own app as you said and it didn't even use Skype user names. Good idea, but extremely poor execution. It wouldn't require much work, but they would have to do these things...

    1) Don't make it a separate app, it needs to be integrated into Skype.
    2) Support video AND pictures (with the usual snapchat features like adding text etc)
    3) Make the app at least as good as it is for ios and android, which they didn't.
    IF Microsoft were to do these things, then yes, it is possible that it could take away some of the SnapChat user base. I honestly don't think it would make a very large dent, however, because Skype is a fee based service, whereas SnapChat is free. Let's face it, the vast majority of SnapChat users are teenagers that don't have an income. How in the world SnapChat ever intends to monetize it is beyond me. They will have to figure out something, though, because investors won't wait much longer for cash to start rolling in before they jump to the next big thing, then SnapChat will be history. The user base matters not. If they can't monetize it, it will collapse under its own weight.
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    04-13-2015 09:10 PM
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