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  1. russ331's Avatar
    I've been using an old & otherwise redundant Android phone exclusively as a SatNav / GPS here in the UK.

    I've used Google Maps, HERE, Navmii & Waze. Over the past couple of years Google Maps has consistently delivered me to my destination quicker than other Apps, thanks to it's excellent traffic data. When the connection has been patchy, HERE has been my favourite alternative.

    The phone died last week, so I sought a cheap replacement. I should mention that I've used base model Garmin & TomTom standalone SatNavs, but their lack of traffic data makes them inferior, imho, to a smartphone running Google Maps or similar. Expensive standalone SatNavs that include traffic data don't make sense to me, pricewise.

    A few days ago I bought a cheap Windows 10 phone. Downloaded gMaps. Not impressed. No spoken voice directions. Not as easy as Google Maps on Android to set up a route. No alternative directions offered while driving.

    Decided to return phone for refund & buy a cheap Android phone instead. Before doing so I thought I may as well give the inbuilt Microsoft Maps App a go, despite having heard nothing positive about it. Early days but I'm impressed! On a regular route for which Google Maps regularly suggest turns that I know from local knowledge & experience to result in a slower journey times, Microsoft Maps gave me perfect directions.

    I'll continue evaluating Maps for the next few days. If all goes well I'll keep the Windows 10 phone. Out of curiosity, from where is Maps traffic data sourced? And does Maps suggest diversions during a journey if traffic problems arise? Also, is a video tour of the current Map features available? Thanks.
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    06-27-2016 05:31 AM
  2. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I've been using an old & otherwise redundant Android phone exclusively as a SatNav / GPS here in the UK.

    I've used Google Maps, HERE, Navmii & Waze. Over the past couple of years Google Maps has consistently delivered me to my destination quicker than other Apps, thanks to it's excellent traffic data. When the connection has been patchy, HERE has been my favourite alternative.

    The phone died last week, so I sought a cheap replacement. I should mention that I've used base model Garmin & TomTom standalone SatNavs, but their lack of traffic data makes them inferior, imho, to a smartphone running Google Maps or similar. Expensive standalone SatNavs that include traffic data don't make sense to me, pricewise.

    A few days ago I bought a cheap Windows 10 phone. Downloaded gMaps. Not impressed. No spoken voice directions. Not as easy as Google Maps on Android to set up a route. No alternative directions offered while driving.

    Decided to return phone for refund & buy a cheap Android phone instead. Before doing so I thought I may as well give the inbuilt Microsoft Maps App a go, despite having heard nothing positive about it. Early days but I'm impressed! On a regular route for which Google Maps regularly suggest turns that I know from local knowledge & experience to result in a slower journey times, Microsoft Maps gave me perfect directions.

    I'll continue evaluating Maps for the next few days. If all goes well I'll keep the Windows 10 phone. Out of curiosity, from where is Maps traffic data sourced? And does Maps suggest diversions during a journey if traffic problems arise? Also, is a video tour of the current Map features available? Thanks.
    The MS map app mostly sources its data from Here maps. It actually has the same map data set as Here maps so there wouldn't be any downgrade in quality or accuracy.
    As for where traffic data is sourced, I'm not sure about that
    06-27-2016 05:42 AM
  3. ananve's Avatar
    I found Microsoft map works perfectly with traffic data too. It can suggest the faster than my normal routes. Luv it.

    If the phone fit your use case, I suggest you keep it. WP is generally very tough for their price.

    Posted from Lumia 640 W10M.
    06-27-2016 07:12 AM
  4. mtf1380's Avatar
    I too, have been happy with Windows Maps. I just did a recheck, to look at the "avoid traffic" feature; but it has been removed (I guess for the time being), and I get a message "traffic info is unavailable". Anybody know anything about this?
    06-27-2016 07:31 AM
  5. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I too, have been happy with Windows Maps. I just did a recheck, to look at the "avoid traffic" feature; but it has been removed (I guess for the time being), and I get a message "traffic info is unavailable". Anybody know anything about this?
    Insider version?
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    06-27-2016 07:47 AM
  6. mtf1380's Avatar
    Insider version?
    Correct... Insider version. (14372, 950XL, DS, USA)
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    06-27-2016 07:54 AM
  7. xandros9's Avatar
    I always felt HERE's and Bing's POI database was inferior to Google's in the WP8.1 days and such, I think I'll have to test that again.
    06-27-2016 10:05 AM
  8. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I always felt HERE's and Bing's POI database was inferior to Google's in the WP8.1 days and such, I think I'll have to test that again.
    it is in some countries because of the way the maps can be edited

    The google maps is more complicated because it has a lot more fields and options to fill in. For example, adding a new business onto the map means you need to know the name, the type of business, opening hours, location, payment options, which floor if applicable, contact details like phone, email and website and other details besides. You don't have to add all of them but the more details you add, the better. There are tutorials online for editing google maps - anyone can edit but there are moderators who approve edits so that a random person doesn't mess up the system

    With Here maps you have to be given an invite to edit their maps (that's how I got in) and you're given access to here maps creator. It's more simplified with fewer fields and options but that makes it easier and faster to use. Whereas I could possibly add 200 places in a day in Google maps I could do more than 500 on Here maps. The editing of roads is also easier and faster on Here maps as opposed to google maps.

    So whereas anyone can edit Google maps, only selected individuals can edit Here Maps. However, with Google maps the adding process is longer and editing in some countries (like mine, Kenya) is locked so no one can edit anymore
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    06-28-2016 03:29 AM
  9. Giddora's Avatar
    I'm wondering where you have heard anything negative about Windows Maps? They are perfect and are sourced from Here but have some added functionality which makes them excellent.
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    06-28-2016 08:54 AM
  10. Jakoh's Avatar
    This is my only problem with maps, traffic. see below, same time same place, where am i? stuck in traffic, but maps dont realize it. There used to be a better google maps app on WP8, with a similar name but it no where to be found.
    I do welcome the new "tabs" feature, this is definitely unique, but traffic is a deal breaker.
    As far as POIs MS maps is better than HERE, because their search is better and they combine several sources together. Searching for stuff on HERE is still a travest, even on IOS. other day there was a typo in event location, "madera" should have been "Maderas". Here kept taking me to northern california. Google maps found it right away with the same query.traffic.png
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    06-28-2016 12:02 PM
  11. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    you damn kids. What happened to paper maps and AM radio for traffic?
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    06-28-2016 07:01 PM
  12. libra89's Avatar
    you damn kids. What happened to paper maps and AM radio for traffic?
    Wait, AM radio is still a thing?
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    06-28-2016 09:05 PM
  13. mtf1380's Avatar
    you damn kids. What happened to paper maps and AM radio for traffic?
    Heck, even us old guys are spoiled":^]
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    06-28-2016 09:18 PM
  14. gpobernardo's Avatar
    Out of curiosity, from where is Maps traffic data sourced? And does Maps suggest diversions during a journey if traffic problems arise? Also, is a video tour of the current Map features available? Thanks.
    I'm guessing it's the same where Google outsources their traffic data:
    1. Local authorities/agencies if available;
    2. Phones that use their respective apps for navigation for crowdsourced traffic data estimates:
    - Google Maps: Android, iPhone, and everything else that has Waze
    - HERE, Maps (WP): Windows Phones.

    In effect, Microsoft may be outsourcing data from those who actually use HERE or the native Windows Phone Maps app for navigation if data from local agencies/authorities aren't available.

    On a side note, with the acquisition of Waze by Google almost three years ago, Waze is effectively sharing traffic data with Google (and Google Maps). In my country where speed cameras are either not present or are not reliable, virtually 100% of all traffic data are crowdsourced. It's not a surprise that HERE and Maps for Windows Phones don't have traffic data, while Waze and Google Maps have traffic data even for side streets. That's because Windows Phones are almost unheard of here, while majority of drivers are using Waze for traffic navigation. It's logical to deduce, therefore, that the rich data in Google Maps comes (in part) from using Waze. However, Google Maps still seems to have a higher traffic refresh rate than Waze, and therefore seems more reliable (in navigation and travel time estimation).

    So, if you're after the traffic data similar to Google Maps, you may try using Waze - especially since it's also available for Windows Phone.
    06-29-2016 12:29 AM
  15. russ331's Avatar
    So, if you're after the traffic data similar to Google Maps, you may try using Waze - especially since it's also available for Windows Phone.
    I used Waze for a couple of years on Android. Gave up on it after it repeatedly failed to warn me of upcoming traffic problems. On one occasion it redirected me around one section of my route, only to rejoin the original route a mile up the road, & put me behind vehicles that I'd been ahead of before I took the diversion.

    I find Google Maps much superior to Waze. I'm simultaneously running Google Maps on an Android phone & MS Maps on the W10 phone, to compare their performance. Over the next few days, I'll decide which is preferable to me.
    06-29-2016 01:13 AM
  16. mtf1380's Avatar
    I'm simultaneously running Google Maps on an Android phone & MS Maps on the W10 phone, to compare their performance. Over the next few days, I'll decide which is preferable to me.
    Russ, please let us know what you find out.
    gpobernardo likes this.
    06-29-2016 06:32 AM
  17. mtf1380's Avatar
    Just received another update last night (14376, 950XL, DS, USA), and the avoid traffic was still a no-show; I KNOW it was their a few builds back. Maybe MSFT decided it isn't necessary, because it wasn't being used? Maybe it wasn't being used because its not considered to be that accurate? All I know is that I like as many good tools in my bag as I can get, even if I only need that tool every once-in-a-while.
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    06-29-2016 06:43 AM
  18. Jakoh's Avatar
    Waze: I dont like the traffic, the way it is represented there. The only thing waze is good for is if there are cops in front, it does that even when it runs inthe background on IOS, this is a must have for WPM10.

    I'm guessing it's the same where Google outsources their traffic data:
    1. Local authorities/agencies if available;
    2. Phones that use their respective apps for navigation for crowdsourced traffic data estimates:
    - Google Maps: Android, iPhone, and everything else that has Waze
    - HERE, Maps (WP): Windows Phones.



    So, if you're after the traffic data similar to Google Maps, you may try using Waze - especially since it's also available for Windows Phone.
    Last edited by Jakoh; 06-29-2016 at 02:41 PM.
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    06-29-2016 11:41 AM
  19. mtf1380's Avatar
    this is a must have for WPM10.
    I will second that!
    06-29-2016 01:32 PM

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