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  1. Jcmg62's Avatar
    It's just amazing that Many W10M users are forced to migrate to another platform , am I the only person that thinks Nadella should've put more effort into mobile and uwp? How can your OS be relevant without a mobile platform, the numbers are growing daily about mobile usage , it's how world is connected and how it will be for quite sometime.
    I don't think they should fire Nadella necessarily, because he's making the company money, and more money means more research and development, which means more cool products and services.

    That said, I think what the comapny should do is create a role for a very senior consumer focussed candidate, perhaps someone who doesn't report to Nadella. He/she reports only to the board and is responsible for building the consumer brand.

    Basically they should have two Microsofts.
    11-17-2017 01:45 AM
  2. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    It's just amazing that Many W10M users are forced to migrate to another platform , am I the only person that thinks Nadella should've put more effort into mobile and uwp? How can your OS be relevant without a mobile platform, the numbers are growing daily about mobile usage , it's how world is connected and how it will be for quite sometime.
    I'm sure Nadella does a lot of good things for the end users and microsoft. I think Nadella inherited a mess of a mobile ecosystem and managed to find a way to fit it into the new mission statement, with innovation in mind.
    The thing I am angry about is the false promise of upgradability. While true to a degree, the promise was windows 10 would end the debacle of limited OS servicing, like the fiasco of windows phone 7 to windows 10 mobile. Windows 10 mobile for me had a lot of promise that the cord of the fiasco had been cut and we would have an option to have a mobile phone device with an almost pc like experience and its upgradability and servicing path. That last part turns out not to be true, and was a slap in the face. The OS was fine, had a lot of potential and granted some growing pains at launch. And then, merely less than two years later windows 10 mobile was put into maintenance mode with the next chapter being windows 10 on arm and the mobile experience moved as a piggy back experience on iOS and Android. On the one hand smart, as there is more choice in mobile phone without losing the mobile productivity experience with certain windows and office apps.

    It hurt investing in a platform with a clear promise. Nadella did warn it was going to be a long term investment. Fine with me. But two years is really very short. And there is no follow-up. If microsoft would at least have supported a slightly longer product cycle where continuum would have truly come to fruition with Cshell on current and perhaps one more cycle of new devices, the transtion to windows on ARM would have been better. But now it litterally feels like being dumped, without a sorry, and that windows mobility has truly turned the page of a clean slate. While not bad in light of innovation and looking forward, this action has made me more critical on microsoft's future innovations in light of future servicing, as I've now started to see the trend of disappointing short cycles since windows phone 7. I don't think that mindset had changed, perhaps with the exception of the surface line. The former is, in my view, a bad and manipulative business model.

    Despite this harsh remark, I do have to say that maintenance of windows mobile and the apps is actually great. The phone and software, it seems is getting better over time. I am sad though that we didn't get cshell and better continuum updates for apps. I just haven't used continuum anymore simply because of lack of uwp app support and lack of multitasking, by at least having two apps open side by side. I think that is the minimum windows 10 mobile needs to be useful as a pc in your smartphone pocket device.

    I still have my fingers crossed to be able to still get cshel on my lumia 950xl, despite manintance mode.

    I don't think it is enough reason for me to say Nadella should step down. But I would consider a change in communication, where inspiration is replaced by clarity, which would help reduce second guessing and prevent unwanted surprises when reading between the lines.

    I do think however, my blindspot is that microsoft has likely done a lot of work in the background to get windows, mobility and apps working. I think Xamarin was a smart move, but then it's sad to see that many apps in ads still only show iOS and android and not windows 10 mobile. I wouldn't know how microsoft could ever catch up being late to the market. Innovation and collaboration in the broadest term possible, is smart. I hope it helps to push more UWP apps through. We're going to need it for the new future of mobility.
    11-17-2017 05:47 AM
  3. Enrico 117's Avatar
    I believe abandoning W10M was the worst misstep Satia could have done. All the biggest technology companies, including MS, are already focusing and paying attention to the next big thing: AI. By ditching W10M, Microsoft's AI Cortana is being used less and less and it's slowly becoming irrelevant. I believe this spells trouble for Microsoft, they are primed to be placed last in the race for the next big technological thing.
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    11-17-2017 06:01 AM
  4. ryankelsey7's Avatar
    Fire Nadella. I hate his guts for what he did with Windows phone
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    11-17-2017 07:56 AM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    agreed with everything you've said but why is it in migrating towards this Andromeda Windows OS, you have to drop W10M completely? dropping in markets that you had many loyal and even newly loved users, after release of 950/XL Microsoft should've used all efforts into making W10M polished and creating fully unique experiences not putting all exclusives on other platforms. I've converted about 100 people to W10M and most are frustrated but are so in love with the UI in comparison to Google and iOS.
    The thing with most engineers is that in the simplest sense they approach things two ways - replace a faulty part or cut it out completely.

    Then when you throw in reliance on analytics and telemetry you have a mess in the making because numbers only tell you on portion of the picture not the complete picture. You cannot quantify what makes some one smile, I know this is probably been discussed ad nauseam but the photo hub was redesigned based on telemetry. Instead of seeing a panaroma of your favourite moments, you see a grid of photos. Because they saw people were going to the albums and camera roll soon after opening the photohub (Joe Belfiore mentioned that during one of the build events to reiterate a point on efficiency). What they cannot see is a person's smile when you look at a priceless moment and that can be difference between a good day or bad in the office for someone - that feeling cannot be quantified.

    Plus add in the mix the bubble that most of Microsoft appear to be in, for example the marquee features of bing in Wp7 and Wp8 never made it out of the US. It's taken several years to bring bing rewards to other markets, had they done this sooner than they would have a way larger market share.

    So going back to the first point, we had an amazing feature in rooms and then replaced by groupme which hardly anyone uses. Messaging everywhere gutted for the favour of skype, speaking of skype it was apparent that office politics was directing the roadmap.

    Some engineers do not understand the concept of transitional phases and when you have majority of them... you get the haphazard pathway that we have seen on countless occassions and still seeing - combined with a risk averse leadership.... Of course office politics, stack ranking and inter-department resource competitions didn't help either (however, fortunately that appears to be slowly fading). I would say because of that we will never anything akin to the Zune client, where it would sync your music and playlist via WiFi whilst your phone was charging or the ill fated live lockscreen or LED notifications etc.

    Windows phone 7 -> 8 and WM10 had alot of potential, still does but that going forward that lays with UWP... in regards to the actual mobile code that is now part of the Windows Core. The Wp UX is now used for the surface hub. The windows mpbile platform had so much potential but it was marred by so many factors, I could get into detail but I'd end up typing up a million page book

    Never the less I still have faith, not in Satya Nadella but in the people who are heading the major departments suchas Panos Panay. Because you know he would never consider showcasing a competing platform alongside the hardware he and his team have painstakingly + loving designed.

    Case in point when he was talking about his flow during the Future Decoded keynote, he talked about his day and what he did to reiterate the point / give more visceral information he could have taken out a competitors smartphone like some of his colleagues but he did not. He also uses the Surface Mini as his personal note taking device. That to me speaks volumes, you can tell a lot about a person from their mannerisms and body language.

    Another example, the brief show case of the Lumia 950 and 950XL - it was so brief...

    I personally wouldn't stand behind such a poorly designed product... the launch issues really indicated how much testing went in. Then again that's what happens when you fire all your dedicated programmatic testers. I'm not denigrating the people who designed the product but the software did not live upto flagship expectations and then compare the aesthetics of the devices to other products in that category... it's just meh at best (creaking back plates on a £500 product is a huge fail).

    Although I prefer the design as a minimalist thus have no qualms about it, however it's not a design that screams premium. They should have shipped one of the premium Mozo back cover with the devices, then use that to launch the accessories for lumia line up.

    I am hoping the Microsoft store launch in the UK will be a mark of postive change in the direction of consumers.
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    11-17-2017 09:55 AM
  6. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    You guys have said a whole lot in here since my last post that I am not going to read. But, I have seen a lot of “absence in mobile.” Well, in my opinion, their presence in mobile has never been stronger than it is right now as it relates to the “modern” mobile market. They have the best mail, calendar, spreadsheet, presentation, Remote Desktop, etc. apps out there, being used by millions on relevant platforms. Windows on mobile was dead. It was dead the moment they hit the reset button after that first wave of momentum. I don’t agree that they needed to keep pushing this failing platform. The name was dead. The hardware was dead. And the complaints of the inept software/OS were out of control. Focusing on putting their name on every single platform that is relevant is a smart move.
    11-17-2017 10:45 AM
  7. Ben Wolgus's Avatar
    It's just amazing that Many W10M users are forced to migrate to another platform , am I the only person that thinks Nadella should've put more effort into mobile and uwp? How can your OS be relevant without a mobile platform, the numbers are growing daily about mobile usage , it's how world is connected and how it will be for quite sometime.
    Nadella should not and will not be fired. He has managed to grow the share price which is what his shareholders want. So as an shareholder of the company I see no reason why anyone would want to fire him. Now as a consumer and long time non-business customer of Microsoft's products I think Nadella has been a complete and utter disappointment. He strung users along promising that mobile was a focus and then ditched mobile altogether without taking into account that millions of his customers were Windows Phone users not because don't know what is best for us but because after evaluating Android, IOS and WM we made the decision that Windows Mobile best suited our needs. For him to say that he didn't see the need for a third ecosystem was truly an insult to all Windows Phone users who did and do in fact see a need for a third ecosystem outside of the crappy IPhone and Android devices. How long of we been clamoring for a Surface Phone? Their marketing of their Surface line has been **** poor. They finally have an edge over Apple and they are failing to capitalize. Nobody should be buying an ipad at this point. Microsoft is like a boxer with no killer instinct. The Surface Studio is a beautiful device that should be promoted as the next step in the evolution of the PC. What new enhancements have they developed for the Surface Dial? Where is the Surface TV that consumers can pair with the Xbox? It's a natural fit but MS does not take advantage of their position in the market with the Xbox. Satya can only see making money in the areas that he is interested, everything else is just a waste of time to him. As CEO he was supposed to have a vision for all parts of Microsoft and not just his own little area of expertise. Was the mobile device selling like hotcakes? No but Nadella had a choice, take big chances swing for the fences because there is less to lose or quit and hand the market to competitors. Nadella decided to quit and cede the market to Google and Apple. I think for many of us users Nadella is a disappointment because he comes off as a risk averse dare I say uninspiring leader. When I see or hear him speak I'm not excited about the future of Microsoft. I hear about this Andromeda OS but instead of excitement I think "So how will Microsoft screw this up?", "Do I really want to wait for this?". I'm not thinking about paying some guying to wait in line for me so I can buy the device first on day one. I guess I would have been happier if Nadella had been left in charge of pushing Microsoft's B2B side and not put in control of the whole company. The stocks performance will prevent him from losing his CEO job though.
    11-17-2017 10:59 AM
  8. Ben Wolgus's Avatar
    Sony, LG, HTC all have global market share of under 4% in 2017 but all three of these companies still release phones and I don't see any people saying that they should stop releasing phones. If as you say "The hardware was dead", why haven't LG, HTC and Sony all come to the same conclusion about their hardware? In fact I would argue if HTC had made the Smart decision to switch their mobile focus to Windows Phone instead of Android they would have a large world market share in mobile phone sales than they have today. They have about 2% right now, I would argue that as the sole remaining WM manufacturer they would have 3% - 5% of the global market maybe more since the quality of appearance of their devices is comparable to the best looking android devices.
    11-17-2017 11:11 AM
  9. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Sony, LG, HTC all have global market share of under 4% in 2017 but all three of these companies still release phones and I don't see any people saying that they should stop releasing phones. If as you say "The hardware was dead", why haven't LG, HTC and Sony all come to the same conclusion about their hardware? In fact I would argue if HTC had made the Smart decision to switch their mobile focus to Windows Phone instead of Android they would have a large world market share in mobile phone sales than they have today. They have about 2% right now, I would argue that as the sole remaining WM manufacturer they would have 3% - 5% of the global market maybe more since the quality of appearance of their devices is comparable to the best looking android devices.
    The issue wasn’t the hardware. It was software. The companies you named don’t have their own OS so you’re comparing apples to oranges. There were what, a couple million Windows mobile devices when they made the decision? Apple sold that in 11 minutes at 3am on a Friday morning. I realized long ago the platform wasn’t going anywhere, I am not sure why a thread like this has to be made by people who can’t grasp that.
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    11-17-2017 12:45 PM
  10. Nero cui's Avatar
    He is doing cool things in cloud and AI and the stock growth, no doubt. But they are losing enterprise due to their lack of commitment and reliability. Steve Balmer once said that Microsoft needs to widen it's skill set. They have enterprise skill set and gaming skill set, and he was developing consumer skill set. But Nadella killed the consumer skill set. Steve believe that there is no such thing as a company do one thing and do the same thing for a hundred years. He believe that a company either move forward or become less relevant. And that's what happened to IBM. And Google knows this, so they got their hands on Pixel and Google Home to get consumers to know Google as a brand rather than a website. Microsoft will be doomed in the consumer space if Nadella is still in charge. There, I said it. He is good at making money, but I hate him as consumer and think he should be gone for good.
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    11-17-2017 02:28 PM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    **Please Note:
    Thread moved to the new "Armchair CEO" section.

    Now back to the regularly scheduled program.
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    11-17-2017 04:04 PM
  12. BajanSaint69's Avatar
    so to you it makes sense to give up all efforts on W10M and focus on that then reappear and everyone should be running behind you like Windows Andromeda is the saviour of OSes? You need to keep people connected, get your developers to work, stop releasing so much on other OSes and focus on your own, give other OS trial or lite editions and all features will be experienced using a WM10 device.
    "Get your developers to work?" yeah tried that.

    If you are doing an OS that runs on anything then why do you need to develop a phone specific mobile?

    You have no real significant market share in phones, so do you hamstring the future for the sake of less than 1% of the phone market? Let's not fool ourselves it's not like if there are a significant number of us using windows phones relative to the market. It makes perfect sense to cut windows phones loose if you are developing something better.

    Focus on developing apps for 1% of the market? Makes no sense, all you will do is give Google the opportunity to get at your desktop market as they build Android up to a desktop OS. It makes far more sense to get your apps running on the 99% of phones and then you have the opportunity later to offer users the opportunity to run full featured software on an OS that runs on any form factor instead of running apps.

    Windows 10 Mobile is done. Far better to have Windows 10 that runs on mobile.
    11-17-2017 04:56 PM
  13. PerfectReign's Avatar
    I have read the posts here and am noticing one thing. No one has mentioned just how much Nadella has done for us enterprise users.

    Yes his idea of buying into Nokia and then dumping it was lame. He "might" have an issue in the future if the next generation decides Google and Chrome OS are viable alternatives to Windows and Office. But most Steam games are still Windows only. Neither of my teenage sons care about Office but both use Windows 10 on their PCs.

    However since Microsoft is a public company, the ONLY thing people in charge care about in terms of Nadella is the stock price and return on earnings. Since Nadella took over the stock has gone up.

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    11-17-2017 09:30 PM
  14. Made Pura Riana's Avatar
    I stay to using my 950 WM10, I never want to jump with others platform. Recently I still easier to using one account wto syncing with my laptop/pc account.

    I hope microsoft looking for someone to developing the WM10
    11-17-2017 09:32 PM
  15. Timmy212's Avatar
    As a Microsoft loyalist to the point of lunacy ( ie. I just bought the "new" old HP Elite on Verizon ) i feel like I should contribute.

    It does concern me that I seem to have way more passion for windows than any of the executives at Microsoft. Windows is the only platform that i truly believe had the chance to seamlessly integrate devices from consumer to enterprise and everything in between.

    As a developer I've loved developing in .NET using Visual Studio. The UWP apps that I have written were easy to code, easy to manage and UWP as a platform was a delight to work with. But guess what, UWP doesn't make sense without mobile! Apps today need to be available in your pocket. Nobody likes taking a laptop everywhere they go. Having that adaptability to have one code base accessible by every device has been a dream come true.

    I feel like the more Microsoft pushes consumers into other platforms, the more familiar people will get with those platforms and the more comfortable they will become moving any technology that they currently have control of into those platforms. Because guess what, underneath the suit of every businessman lies just another plain old CONSUMER. As soon as google figures out how to push people GCP, or apple finally transfers there iOS success to macOS. What is MS gonna do about it, just settle with becoming a 3rd party vendor of productivity tools?
    11-18-2017 03:11 AM
  16. BWJSBBB's Avatar
    Microsoft are doomed.

    From 2014, I was a big fan of all things Microsoft. Always a Windows PC user, I added multiple windows phones and Windows 10 Mobiles to my collection, Xbox 360, multiple Windows laptops, MS Band and MS Band 2 and was in for the long haul and willing to stay with Windows as a mobile platform because I preferred it over Android and iPhone (owned both preferred Windows Mobile).

    I had put in a pre-order for the Xbox One X (just required a deposit) but I cancelled that. Why? I cant trust Microsoft anymore. The MS Band hardware line was actually very good and had potential to be the best with MS Band 3 and water proofing...oh, wait, the Band got cancelled.

    They played us Windows Phone/Mobile (whatever) users along and then cancelled that. I wont be returning to Microsoft/Windows mobile platform of any kind - I have bought an iPhone 8 Plus and am perfectly happy with it. And will most likely get a Sony Android flagship after that.

    I will not touch any hardware that comes from Microsoft. Looking back, perhaps I was delusional about Microsoft, their commitment to Windows Mobile, their ability to see things through to a proper conclusion. Reading some of these posts, there are still delusional Windows Mobile fans who think Microsoft will bring out a new Mobile device so that they can replace their old Windows Mobile device. Dream on.

    Microsoft shares may have gone up, but that is generally the way share prices go during the recovery after a worldwide recession. It's certainly not been achieved by the Microsoft CEO, whose name I cant remember and cant be bothered to search for.
    11-18-2017 06:40 AM
  17. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    Man with all this constant chatter about Windows mobile. I really wish Microsoft would come on these forums as see just how many people are frustrated an all. Im lost for words an have nothing more to say. I've said what i had to say here. And many just keep on throwing tantrums.
    11-18-2017 06:59 AM
  18. Kattz's Avatar
    There is no point in firing him now. I just don't understand his attitude. Windows Mobile could have survived. The main issue was apps. The app bridges came out. That could have helped but they killed those off. UMP is good but it was too late. It's a huge loss to the mobile world. That was such a secure OS. Blackberry is gone now too. Android is getting better but it will never be as secure as either Blackberry or Win Mobile. I had my 1520 out earlier tonight. I just can't believe how well that phone still works even though it came out in 2013. I really do have everything that I need on it. Some of it is web pages pinned to start but they work just fine for me.
    11-18-2017 07:11 AM
  19. nilesh pandey's Avatar
    I think the same that nadella should have put more work on making w10 mobile better though it's not being widely used still has a great advantage over android.
    11-18-2017 07:48 AM
  20. teaglass's Avatar
    I have read the posts here and am noticing one thing. No one has mentioned just how much Nadella has done for us enterprise users.

    Yes his idea of buying into Nokia and then dumping it was lame. He "might" have an issue in the future if the next generation decides Google and Chrome OS are viable alternatives to Windows and Office. But most Steam games are still Windows only. Neither of my teenage sons care about Office but both use Windows 10 on their PCs.

    However since Microsoft is a public company, the ONLY thing people in charge care about in terms of Nadella is the stock price and return on earnings. Since Nadella took over the stock has gone up.

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    Everything in your response is unmistakably valid. The company performance is for the short and mid term the leading criterion to judge if a company is good or badly managed. This criterion stands a bit aside in a discussion in which emotion seem to rule. But most shareholders are no visionaries, and shareholder value is only an aspect of the health of a company.

    What makes me worry about Microsoft is the way the company seem to ignore what the effect is on the mobile users when it takes decisions like making W10M a dead end. The response of the mobile users, though not large in numbers, does tell me a lot.

    Nadella must go? I do not think that question is very relevant. Nadella is only an exponent of the current management policy at Microsoft. The management at Microsoft is strongly technocratic driven. The web based solutions are without question good ones, and probably better than those of the competition. Side effect though is that Microsoft seems to be obsessed by those and only those solutions. Maybe this is something Nadella can be kept responsible for.

    What I miss in the Microsoft management is flexibility an agility in dealing with changing conditions. Microsoft intended with WP81 and W10M to become a third or second big player in mobile. This did not became reality. The response of Microsoft was to judge its mobile policy as unsuccessful, so the activity was shut down. From a technological and corporate approach a sound and logical decision, as your figures do show. To me it is a very black-white decision, that does not accept any shade of grey. With some creativity I think other solutions would have been possible. For these greys was no room however.

    The fluctuating policy concerning mobile does suggest to me there was a schism within the Microsoft Board of Directors the last couple of years. This schism probably did have as a side effect a polarization of opinions. So inwardly facing, struggling with their schism and obsessed with technical solutions the Microsoft BoD lost its eye for the mobile user base. The final result of this we all know now. The sacrifice of W10M. Of course this paragraph is speculation. But I cannot think of another mechanism that could have caused this strong and polarized decision.

    From my reasoning above I can only come to the conclusion the decision to let W10M end is a sub-optimal and a badly moderated solution. The responses from the user base underline this. So sound company policy? We both do not know yet. We can set the users away by stating they respond emotional. I suspect the decision to end W10M was an emotional one as well. And these decisions are often proven not to be the best ones.
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    11-18-2017 09:16 AM
  21. DeltaHotel's Avatar
    He should be the subject of multiple fraud waste and abuse charges and have his citizenship revoked and sent back to India without any compensation.
    11-18-2017 12:22 PM
  22. beman39's Avatar
    I've been reading this thread with some interest, and a lot of people make good and valid points, and others... not so much, and here's why.

    firstly- I see a lot of people throwing around that MS was only dominating 1% of the market share, well that might be true, lets not forget that those % figures is only based in the "U.S." MS had the potential to increase those percentages all over the globe and in places like India and Asia, Windows was more favorable than IOS and Android! had MS taken this and ran with it then W10M would not be where it is today! they should've branched out to the other countries and expanded on it and grown it into a juggernaut!

    secondly- W10M was HONESTLY not given a fair or full chance to come to maturity before the plug was pulled by nudella and I swear this guy is a plant by the other companies to sabotage W10M because of how badly W10M was handled by him and some of his decisions were so dumb that my only conclusion is he is a shill! LOL but all conspiracies aside, think why IOS and Android are so ahead of W10M is because when there was problems in the beginning (and there was problems) the other companies did not give up or run away when it got a little tough, no they doubled down and kept at it and kept at it, by way of updates and not getting rid of their testing coders and programmers! and now look how mature android & IOS is today.

    thirdly- they did not capitalize or advertise on the many wonderful things W10M has going on for it, and what can be done with continuum, which they should have done! MS should have doubled down on how amazing that could've turned out to be if they would have stuck it out and expanded and matured it to its full potential!

    fourthly- because they kept changing OS's from 6.5, then to 7 then to 8 then to 10, and the devs having to start all over again coding new from scratch with each new iteration, they just got fed up and wouldn't bother to code new stuff because MS could change its mind and then change it to W2.0M and then the devs would have to start from scratch YET AGAIN! but with another reason IOS and android is so popular is because they never changed their OS, they just kept updating and polishing it so of course devs found them more favorable! now I'm not saying that I think the others are better than W10M, just more mature and complete...

    anyways those are just my take on things of how badly MS screwed the pooch...
    11-18-2017 12:53 PM
  23. PerfectReign's Avatar
    I was going to post this on mobile but for some reason cannot login or change my password on mobile. I seem to have to login with "microsoft" or "google" on a desktop...

    When Nadella was tagged as new CEO, his marching orders from the Board were to (1) increase stock value, (2) increase stock value and (3) increase stock value. Anything else was gravy. These top three goals have been achieved:

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    The Board wants Nadella to increase Microsoft cloud offerings and corporate server/desktop offerings. They have done that. Mobile was a pipe dream from Ballmer and was not going to be a viable alternative sadly.

    Move on.
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    11-18-2017 01:31 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    (1) increase stock value, (2) increase stock value and (3) increase stock value.
    This is the ultimate goal of any business. Anything they do, such as customer goodwill, charity, releasing or dropping products, is done with profit in mind. They're not out to give you want you want because they're being nice like a personal friend would do; they are doing it to get you to give them more money.
    11-18-2017 02:17 PM
  25. cyan1two's Avatar
    Yes Satya Nadella should be pushed out from Microsoft, he is a sympathiser of Android, who knows if he does not own shares or he may be part owner of some fragments of the fragmented Android. Time to go for him is now, his excuses for killing of Windows Mobile are all lame. His aim is to make sure MS fails then he will be happy. He has hardly spent advertising money on Windows OS.
    11-18-2017 04:32 PM
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