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  1. aximtreo's Avatar
    No, not go. He has been good for the MS bottom line. I would suggest we arrange to have subliminal messages about WP played at night when he is asleep in hopes he will have a eureka moment and suggest the company rethink the mobile world.
    Guytronic likes this.
    11-30-2017 07:33 AM
  2. zr2s10's Avatar
    I don’t proclaim to be an expert but aren’t they mainly a software company? Haven’t they moved their software to the leading mobile OS’s? They don’t need to make hardware for a tiny minority of people to be successful.

    That doesn’t mean they aren’t working on some future “mobile” device. They could be, but presently, they are focusing on other things.

    My 2 cents.
    Yes, they are a software company, primarily. An OS is software. Groove was software. W10M was software. Right now, Windows 10, MS Office products, and Xbox are their consumer facing products. If Google ever truly commits to Chrome OS, and other industrial software companies start releasing products to run on it, MS will be in real trouble. Once Nadella gets a Playstation for his birthday, he'll decide to just make some half baked software for Playstation instead of making Xboxes, and that'll be gone too. Office will be the only thing left. This is all very exaggerated, but I'm just fed up with all the stupid little decisions and lack of commitment. There are plenty of back-end IT services running MS products, but again, consumers run industry. If Google and Apple products are first in their mind, they'll use those before they use MS when they can.
    11-30-2017 12:06 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    Yes, they are a software company, primarily. An OS is software. Groove was software. W10M was software. Right now, Windows 10, MS Office products, and Xbox are their consumer facing products. If Google ever truly commits to Chrome OS, and other industrial software companies start releasing products to run on it, MS will be in real trouble. Once Nadella gets a Playstation for his birthday, he'll decide to just make some half baked software for Playstation instead of making Xboxes, and that'll be gone too. Office will be the only thing left. This is all very exaggerated, but I'm just fed up with all the stupid little decisions and lack of commitment. There are plenty of back-end IT services running MS products, but again, consumers run industry. If Google and Apple products are first in their mind, they'll use those before they use MS when they can.
    I understand your frustration, it is shared with many of us, but they had to stop the bleeding. That meant and will mean a new direction. It has worked for now. Will it work in the future? Things always change so we will have to wait and see.
    11-30-2017 05:20 PM
  4. Guytronic's Avatar
    How much money has MS wasted on the mobile platform?
    11-30-2017 06:08 PM
  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    How much money has MS wasted on the mobile platform?
    I don’t think they’ve wasted any money. Yes there was the Nokia purchase and subsequent write off, but they learned a tremendous amount by becoming a mobile company for awhile. The Insiders Program was a brilliant idea that really started with mobile first.

    I had a conversation today with a very pushy Amazon staff member trying to sell me on the insecure AWS when I already have highly secure Azure Government Cloud. I don’t think he understands the liability of storing PII in the cloud.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    11-30-2017 10:17 PM
  6. Hirox K's Avatar
    that Many W10M users are forced to migrate to another platform
    How many are forced if I may ask?
    Isn't "WinPhonw has no app", "WinPhone OS is a niche OS" the mainstream?
    Isn't what win10arm the mobile solution? How hard could a 6"-ARM-device-from-3rd-party-OEM be?
    Is WinPhone as popular as Android, iOS and Win10pc (including the S)?
    Will you spend just as much resources as with iOS, Android and Win10 into dev / QA for WinPhone?
    How do you break the chicken egg loop (with other popular replacement in the mix)?
    Isn't win10arm a good news for devs and consumer? It runs what win10pc runs right?
    12-04-2017 11:01 AM
  7. Guytronic's Avatar
    I don’t think they’ve wasted any money.
    Well Microsoft certainly didn't spend very much if any $$ pushing Windows Phones.
    The Scroogled campaign might have been money wasted however.
    Laura Knotek and Savas_P like this.
    12-04-2017 12:29 PM
  8. jasongw's Avatar
    Nadella should definitely go.
    Savas_P likes this.
    12-07-2017 05:45 PM
  9. Guytronic's Avatar
    Nadella should definitely go.
    Why?
    12-07-2017 06:21 PM
  10. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Why?
    Most people now days don't vote their opinions in these forums. They can't be bothered to say thumbs up/I agree or thumbs down/I disagree. I'm happy to have people speak up. Yes, it would be better if people explained their comment, but that is alot to ask, I guess.
    Best Wishes
    12-07-2017 11:43 PM
  11. Savas_P's Avatar
    are you serious? he abandoned the Windows platform
    12-07-2017 11:46 PM
  12. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    are you serious? he abandoned the Windows platform
    Are you responding to the question "Why?"?
    Guytronic likes this.
    12-07-2017 11:58 PM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    are you serious? he abandoned the Windows platform
    If this was directed at me...

    Was there a specific statement from Mr. Nadella anywhere that said Microsoft was stopping WM development?

    As far as abandonment it may have been consumer support that forced shelving the effort.
    Laura Knotek and TgeekB like this.
    12-08-2017 12:28 AM
  14. unmorphed's Avatar
    Well Microsoft certainly didn't spend very much if any $$ pushing Windows Phones.
    The Scroogled campaign might have been money wasted however.
    You're kidding right?

    Microsoft literally spent tens of Billions of dollars trying to make Windows phone work.
    12-08-2017 12:41 AM
  15. unmorphed's Avatar
    Articles like the one below say it. Of course if he is still using it now is anyone's guess. It was two years ago.

    Satya Nadella uses his personal Lumia 950XL to highlight potential of Microsoft tools, services | BGR India
    Old news. He's dropped Windows phone like everyone else. Even Bill Gates uses an Android now.
    12-08-2017 12:43 AM
  16. Guytronic's Avatar
    You're kidding right?

    Microsoft literally spent tens of Billions of dollars trying to make Windows phone work.
    I diagree.
    zr2s10 likes this.
    12-08-2017 12:45 AM
  17. zr2s10's Avatar
    You're kidding right?

    Microsoft literally spent tens of Billions of dollars trying to make Windows phone work.
    Yeah, I'd love to see where you get that figure from. For proof that they stopped giving a crap about the platform a long time ago, you just have to look at the quality of THEIR OWN APPS on W10M vs Android & iOS. Then they try blaming other devs and consumers. Why should they expect consumers to care, when they don't? Why should they expect devs to care, when they don't?
    12-08-2017 12:16 PM
  18. tre10's Avatar
    Yeah, I'd love to see where you get that figure from. For proof that they stopped giving a crap about the platform a long time ago, you just have to look at the quality of THEIR OWN APPS on W10M vs Android & iOS. Then they try blaming other devs and consumers. Why should they expect consumers to care, when they don't? Why should they expect devs to care, when they don't?
    These links below are rumors so grain of salt necessary but it seems they may have spent big on Windows phone in the early days.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...one?CMP=twt_fd

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenext...tment/%3famp=1

    When they didn't get the kind of adoption they expected the budget probably collapsed under internal pressure.

    When shareholders expect an almost instant success from something playing catch up you get these kind of problems.
    Guytronic likes this.
    12-08-2017 06:04 PM
  19. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Here’s what I think the goal of Windows Phone / Windows Mobile was - http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-a...y-4244349.html
    12-09-2017 02:08 AM
  20. rollindice's Avatar
    Here’s what I think the goal of Windows Phone / Windows Mobile was - Bye bye iPad, Qualcomm's 'always-connected PC' is the future and it's here today
    but even so why do it with retrenching W10M from many markets that was doing well , Msft should've kept users inclined, keep users in the platform not totally abandoning and then expect people to jump back easily, and it's all Nadella's doing.
    12-10-2017 11:26 AM
  21. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    He should go.
    12-10-2017 12:37 PM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    While these devices look nice and may have their uses, most consumers are entrenched in different ecosystems and will not give up their smartphones for this. At least not in the near future.
    12-10-2017 01:08 PM
  23. zr2s10's Avatar
    These links below are rumors so grain of salt necessary but it seems they may have spent big on Windows phone in the early days.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...one?CMP=twt_fd

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenext...tment/%3famp=1

    When they didn't get the kind of adoption they expected the budget probably collapsed under internal pressure.

    When shareholders expect an almost instant success from something playing catch up you get these kind of problems.
    So, there aren't any solid numbers there. But, maybe over the entire lifespan they spent that. But it still doesn't compare to what either Google or Apple has spent in advertising. When nearly every non-tech person I talked to said, "Windows makes a phone?", that pretty much sums up the effectiveness of those ad dollars. They botched it hardcore, and the long-term effects on the company will be severe. I'm not saying Nadella is entirely to blame, but he has certainly made it worse.
    Guytronic likes this.
    12-11-2017 07:37 AM
  24. tre10's Avatar
    So, there aren't any solid numbers there. But, maybe over the entire lifespan they spent that. But it still doesn't compare to what either Google or Apple has spent in advertising. When nearly every non-tech person I talked to said, "Windows makes a phone?", that pretty much sums up the effectiveness of those ad dollars. They botched it hardcore, and the long-term effects on the company will be severe. I'm not saying Nadella is entirely to blame, but he has certainly made it worse.
    I agree with you but shareholders aren't going to be happy that you're flushing their money down the toilet trying to make something popular especially when you're not making much progress. It was a combination of things. Ads just being one.


    The other was they rebooted so many times that developers didn't want to take the chance on having to write their apps over again.

    Windows Mobile 7.5 couldn't be upgraded to Windows Phone 8 and then many Windows Phone 8.1 devices couldn't be upgraded to Windows 10.

    Android and iOS have never broken compatibility on that level before much less do it twice.

    No one is going to be confident in your product when you do that.

    They shot themselves in the foot multiple times before Nadella to over.

    He's just the guy that had the ugly task of saying we botched it and we can't possibly recover without exorbitant amounts of investment. So we're done.
    12-11-2017 08:06 AM
  25. faisalbaba's Avatar
    One thing i like about Nadella that he is cricket 🏏 lover

    Sent from (iOK)
    Last edited by faisalbaba; 12-22-2017 at 05:11 AM.
    12-11-2017 08:12 AM
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