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  1. jasqid's Avatar
    There is other things driving their stock. Office 365 adoption rates are taking off.
    https://www.skyhighnetworks.com/clou...of-office-365/
    12-11-2017 10:18 AM
  2. zr2s10's Avatar
    I agree with you but shareholders aren't going to be happy that you're flushing their money down the toilet trying to make something popular especially when you're not making much progress.
    And this hits the nail on the head, as the biggest problem with every industry today. Nadella is the board's yes-man and ax man. So as much as I want him gone, I want the board gone more. But that will never happen. I understand they are a company, and money has to be made. But so often, good products either die or get turned into crap, to cut costs. In every company.
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    12-11-2017 12:35 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    And this hits the nail on the head, as the biggest problem with every industry today. Nadella is the board's yes-man and ax man. So as much as I want him gone, I want the board gone more. But that will never happen. I understand they are a company, and money has to be made. But so often, good products either die or get turned into crap, to cut costs. In every company.
    I agree to a point, but this isn’t grampa’s hardware store. These are multi billion dollar companies that have only one thing in mind: to make money. Gone are the days of taking pride in producing something of quality that will last. Gone is being content on making a few quality products rather than mass production. Gone are the days where customer service meant something. It’s sad but true. That’s why I still buy watches and other products from small manufacturers who check all those boxes. Unfortunately tech is far gone from that and there’s not much we can do.
    12-11-2017 05:28 PM
  4. rollindice's Avatar
    While these devices look nice and may have their uses, most consumers are entrenched in different ecosystems and will not give up their smartphones for this. At least not in the near future.
    and that's because he pulled out of markets that Windows Phone was doing well with stable numbers , of course people would have no choice but to choose another platform
    01-04-2018 01:09 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    and that's because he pulled out of markets that Windows Phone was doing well with stable numbers , of course people would have no choice but to choose another platform
    See @TgeekB's post above (#129) for a proper explanation.
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    01-05-2018 02:32 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    I agree to a point, but this isn’t grampa’s hardware store. These are multi billion dollar companies that have only one thing in mind: to make money. Gone are the days of taking pride in producing something of quality that will last. Gone is being content on making a few quality products rather than mass production. Gone are the days where customer service meant something. It’s sad but true. That’s why I still buy watches and other products from small manufacturers who check all those boxes. Unfortunately tech is far gone from that and there’s not much we can do.
    I agree. The reason businesses moved their priorities is because that's what we as consumers demanded. We found that by getting our products from China, we can save a buck. We found out that we liked that. We discovered that we would rather buy products a few dollars cheaper than pay for extraordinary quality and service.

    Basically, the businesses are providing what we're asking for. It's not them as much as it is us. If we would pay top dollar for high quality products with second to none customer service, believe me, it would be there.
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    01-05-2018 06:19 PM
  7. Roman DeSilva's Avatar
    My patience with Nadella is wearing VERY thin and I'm apparently not the only one. Did you like Windows Mobile, Groove, Band, KINECT? We're you really homing for a surface mini? Have you noticed that even though Microsoft owns Xamarin, there seems to be less apps in the app stores? He's the George R.R Martin of brutally killing you've favorite products but he's no track record of a good payoff. 2018 as far as i'm concerned is make or break for microsoft but I can genuinely say i miss steve ballmer.
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    01-15-2018 08:05 PM
  8. Roman DeSilva's Avatar
    True! but Microsoft has left windows mobile and windows COMPLETELY out. All their apps go everywhere but on windows devices.
    01-15-2018 08:07 PM
  9. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    True! but Microsoft has left windows mobile and windows COMPLETELY out. All their apps go everywhere but on windows devices.
    Who are you saying "true" to? Make no sence.
    01-15-2018 08:56 PM
  10. Roman DeSilva's Avatar
    When the argument is that Nadella is good because the stock price is up, you've basically said, Microsoft's only real product is it's stock price, meaning it's only real customer is their investors. That's not how Apple and Google operate. And it shows when I (someone who's not a billion dollar, multi-national corporation) should be putting my money.
    Last edited by Roman DeSilva; 01-25-2018 at 11:18 PM.
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    01-17-2018 11:16 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    When the argument is that Nadella is good because the stock price is up, you've basically said, Microsoft's only real product is it's stock price, nabbing it's only customer is their investors. That's not how Apple and Google operate. And it shows when I (someone who's not a billion dollar, multi-national corporation) should be putting my money.
    Microsoft, Apple, and Google all operate the same in that regard. Microsoft's stock is up because they are pleasing their customers, therefore their customers are spending money.

    No, they're not pleasing the few customers who used Windows phones. I'm sure you could find some people who have left Apple or Google because of something about the company that displeases them.

    But as a whole, Microsoft's customers are satisfied. That is why their stock continues to rise.
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    01-17-2018 12:10 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Microsoft, Apple, and Google all operate the same in that regard. Microsoft's stock is up because they are pleasing their customers, therefore their customers are spending money.

    No, they're not pleasing the few customers who used Windows phones. I'm sure you could find some people who have left Apple or Google because of something about the company that displeases them.

    But as a whole, Microsoft's customers are satisfied. That is why their stock continues to rise.
    Not to mention Microsoft is a software and services company first and hardware ODM a distant second. Think of all the programs/apps people buy and use on a daily basis across a wide variety of platforms and you'll understand why Microsoft really doesn't give a hairy rat's arse about a minuscule number of phone users. Myself included.

    Sent from my Idol 4S on mTalk
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    01-17-2018 02:37 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    When the argument is that Nadella is good because the stock price is up, you've basically said, Microsoft's only real product is it's stock price, nabbing it's only customer is their investors. That's not how Apple and Google operate. And it shows when I (someone who's not a billion dollar, multi-national corporation) should be putting my money.
    Maybe you should read this:

    https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAuNkfJ?m=en-us

    Sent from my Idol 4S on mTalk
    01-17-2018 02:51 PM
  14. nate0's Avatar
    I am a Windows phone user and am fine by Microsoft. So some might see this to be a bit biased, but that is ok. For us adventurer types, they allowed us a way to access the registry on Windows Phones which they could have put under lock and key a lot better or attempted to ;), they allow develpoer mode on Windows 10 Mobile which was not an easy option on WP8...etc.....the list goes on in that respect.
    So those are cool items that appeal to me...and FYI I am not all phone users.
    Ya they are not making anymore mobile phone hardware which is good and bad I think. Bad that we do not get to see the latest and greatest mobile stuff from Microsoft that they could have offered, and good in that they are not just trying to buck the mobile phone trend and pump out a device every 6-10 months or so... There really is no need for that imo... I like that their HW/ODM of sorts is a distant second as it is by design anyway.
    I am speaking through W10M lenses, in that my 950 XL cruzes through its UI like it's butter. For it to be an almost 3 year old device and perform better than day one is fine be me. People are entitled to their opinions though. So Satya Nadella being under the spot light for changes made to Microsoft is ok since they are just opinions :). He knows that the choices he has to oversee made will have impact both negative and positive. To me it is trivial to argue or debate over them. It is not my business to run, but many businesses depend on them. The fact that dpendcies exist is what makes the difference. The big dependencies.
    They know this and that is what is making the world turn for them. For now it is not a cool little Lumia in our hands, which is unfortunate for some. Yet Micrososft much like many enterprise parties have a lot to be responsible for and that is what they are beefing up. Mobile phones got turned off and Windows on other devices got turned up a notch.
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    01-17-2018 09:45 PM
  15. anon(10324754)'s Avatar
    I don't think Nadella should go. Even though I'm still rocking my 950 and still refuse to go Google or Apple. We haven't seen his long term vision yet. Sure, some will say he has none and he's all cloud and enterprise. Fair enough. But four years is nothing for a CEO really, especially when he's trying to change a culture and direction of a multi-billion dollar company. It can't be easy...…


    …..oh, who am I kidding? Fire his ***.
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    01-18-2018 02:38 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't think Nadella should go. Even though I'm still rocking my 950 and still refuse to go Google or Apple. We haven't seen his long term vision yet. Sure, some will say he has none and he's all cloud and enterprise. Fair enough. But four years is nothing for a CEO really, especially when he's trying to change a culture and direction of a multi-billion dollar company. It can't be easy...…


    …..oh, who am I kidding? Fire his ***.
    Four years can be an eternity in this business. Leo Apotheker destroyed HP/webOS overnight. I'm talking smithereens.
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    01-18-2018 08:59 AM
  17. nate0's Avatar
    @fatclue_98
    ..not smithereenies?
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    01-18-2018 08:26 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    @fatclue_98
    ..not smithereenies?
    Smithereenies would apply to the HP Veer I guess.
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    01-18-2018 10:18 PM
  19. Dono Newcomb's Avatar
    I think Microsoft should hire a group of us long term users to keep them grounded in our reality, it seems like they have some great ideas but then something happens and they don't communicate therefore the morale in their consumer base goes down. If they had a permanent focus group heading this side of the endeavor it could keep them in tune with the reality of the people who are actually funding their salaries. :) Dreams can happen, not often though, lol.
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    01-18-2018 11:09 PM
  20. nate0's Avatar
    I think Microsoft should hire a group of us long term users to keep them grounded in our reality, it seems like they have some great ideas but then something happens and they don't communicate therefore the morale in their consumer base goes down. If they had a permanent focus group heading this side of the endeavor it could keep them in tune with the reality of the people who are actually funding their salaries. :) Dreams can happen, not often though, lol.
    Kinda like a site where you can go to intermingle with other members who like and use Microsoft services products and the like? Could partly say this site (Windows Central and it's forums) serves some or most of that purpose which you stated. Unofficially of course...
    01-19-2018 03:17 PM
  21. Dono Newcomb's Avatar
    Kinda like a site where you can go to intermingle with other members who like and use Microsoft services products and the like? Could partly say this site (Windows Central and it's forums) serves some or most of that purpose which you stated. Unofficially of course...
    Yea, but I am talking about on an official and in a face to face way, actually interacting and working together during the development of ideas and features instead of an after thought after they already invested time and energy into something that they eventually change direction from because lack of communication.

    Most things in life get refined, its not all that different from the way things were designed and built pre-ww2, back then it took a car manufacturer more than a couple of years to go from design to finished product, because each phase had a different group of people in a different location. Design team drew up plans and sent those to the engineers, who would look them over and tell them what would and wouldn't be possible then send the plans back, this happened a few times until they had a working design, then they sent that to the accounting department and they looked it over and said what would or wouldn't be cost effective then sent the plans back to the design team to fix and then it would start all over again, then to the production team to make a prototype and they would find flaws that everyone else missed and all over again.

    So back then there was a forward thinking individual who had the idea "Hey why don't we get all these people in the same room and have them work together to save time, but the big wigs in the good ol' boys club told him they know what they are doing and scoffed at him. Anyways at the end of WW2 when the U.S.A. agreed to help Japan get back on their feet economically they got the great idea to sent this half wit with his new ideas over to Japan and let him use his ideas to help them. By the 70's Japan had surpassed the U.S.A. in technology because of the organized way they planned and built products. What took a US Car manufacturer 4 years only took Japanese Manufacturers 6 months.

    Planning and being organized goes a lot farther than people think. Nowadays when markets are so volatile and consumers are so distracted by little things it seems more important than ever to stay connected with your consumer group.
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    01-19-2018 04:39 PM
  22. nate0's Avatar
    @Dono Newcomb
    Thanks for sharing. I was sorta thinking that the site was somewhat of a resource for Microsoft, but probably not in the way that you're explaining. And I get your point more so now thank you.
    01-19-2018 10:13 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    Interesting conversation. My only question is who’s reality would people be keeping MS grounded in? Reality is a perception and we all have different ones. I’m assuming you’re speaking about keeping mobile alive which has been a disaster. That’s doesn’t mean it had to be, different decisions may have resulted in a different outcome. We’ll never know.
    Was the insider program meant to meet this need? Did they listen to insiders? All good questions.
    01-20-2018 08:17 AM
  24. nate0's Avatar
    Interesting conversation. My only question is who’s reality would people be keeping MS grounded in? Reality is a perception and we all have different ones. I’m assuming you’re speaking about keeping mobile alive which has been a disaster. That’s doesn’t mean it had to be, different decisions may have resulted in a different outcome. We’ll never know.
    Was the insider program meant to meet this need? Did they listen to insiders? All good questions.
    This reminds me of the allegory of the cave...anyone into philosophy? :)
    01-20-2018 11:16 AM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    This reminds me of the allegory of the cave...anyone into philosophy? :)
    No. Enlighten us.
    01-20-2018 11:28 AM
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