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  1. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    Why don't you WC guys create/publish a true professional survey and let it run for several months - to get traction and perhaps picked up by the Media and make it to the US states, UK, Italy, etc. I am typing this on my Verizon Icon but it soon would have been an HP Elite x3 on Verizon had Satya Nadella NOT pulled the plug.

    Why Satya couldn't let HP continue on their own as a bridge to Andromeda ... I just don't get it?

    So, come-on WC, how about a real survey for a permanent record of how PO'd "millions of users are"? I, and my business team, spent many thousands of $$$ over the years - all now boat anchors.

    Or ... are actually happy that Satya - as Microsoft’s CEO and leading visionary - abandoned them and pulled the plug on a Microsoft "smartphone" for the 5th time.

    Seven years ago, Microsoft OWNED the mobile space!
    Samuel Devine likes this.
    11-28-2017 11:52 AM
  2. ausequiis's Avatar
    The truth is that Microsoft doesn't commit to hardware at all. Satya Nadella has said on many occasions that Microsoft is a software company and it is what it does best. (I don't know if that is completely accurate however.) For example, the Surface line is said to be an example device for other manufactuers to jump and make their iteration. Microsoft cringes at the possibility that they will have to support a hardware item. Hardware tends to require face-to-face interactions and qualified technical support available around the clock. Another example: HoloLens. Every time this device is mentioned, Microsoft partners with another company who can bring their own design and functionality to the device.

    Unfortunately, Microsoft comprise shy individuals that hate accountability to real people. With Windows Mobile it was another attempt to bring other manufactueres in to do the heavy lifting going forward. What Microsoft forgot is the art of competition. It is the reason for new creations and efficiency. In this new commercial environment, people expect production from the one who introduces it. They are not waiting for someone else to do it. That's so 80's.
    11-28-2017 11:59 AM
  3. pawan_sh's Avatar
    I think its obvious MS didn't want to deal with phones and that is why no new ones. Then they can blame the lack of interest (even though there can't be any interest when there is nothing released to get interest in).
    No compelling hardware, no ads, no real focus on their own apps, no real marketing...Even whatever hardware they released, it was sold only on Windows store, nowhere else. How did MS expect it to succeed? It is a mystery to me. And they say they tried but failed, the truth is they never tried.
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    11-28-2017 12:01 PM
  4. MxPxP86's Avatar
    They gave it as much time as their terribad marketing and production could take or handle. Firstly, the app gap is real and painful, and their lack of stability/support for the developers can't be overlooked. That harsh reality understood, windows 10 mobile is imo still the most pleasing, coherent mobile OS at its core. From time to time I pick up my 950, and am stunned by it's fluidity, responsiveness, and just how well their team maintained the "get in, get out" mentality. That philosophy might have been part of it's very downfall (that and the app gap); come to find out, people really LIKE just looking at their phones. W10m assumed you had better things to do (in a good way). The devices and OS... expected more from you? Like, get out there, USE this phone, but go experience life. Nope. People just like staring at a screen and windows10m didn't oblige that.
    I'm hoping somehow Andromeda + windows on arm allows for the best of both worlds; windows 10 OS, whatever apps they maintain, android apps. Continuum was fantastic, and worked. If it had the apps, I could've easily seen my significant other - someone who is staunchly against technology - living with a next-gen w10m device as their single device. Now? Even I'm using android and... so is Microsoft? *sigh* MS, stop being confusing.
    11-28-2017 12:02 PM
  5. Nayden's Avatar
    Have you ever thought about a tile in your start screen showing the green robot, and when being pushed emulating the android OS, so we could overcome the app gap. Just dreaming...
    11-28-2017 12:22 PM
  6. Manmute's Avatar
    The worst thing Microsoft did was to acquisition NOKIA, happy Nokia joint the WM7.. Os platform as gave hope to end user that Htc totally ignored when it decided to switch totally to Android Os.
    While we know MS is now looking at its full window operating on ARM device with enabled cell service we can really say if that’s their secrecy weapon to deliver to consumers, on the handle what do I know I’ve only been using window mobile since PDA day back in 2002/3.
    11-28-2017 12:29 PM
  7. Korfuntu's Avatar
    Of course they did!!!

    As long as MS continues with their dumbass strategy of announcing what they claim is the next great thing, then cancelling it and orphaning all the first adopters, developers and hardware OEM's when that "thing" doesn't become a $1 billion addition to the corporate balance sheet after a few calendar quarters, they are becoming the company that NO ONE can trust to continue a product. Without that trust, developers will abandon MS, users will abandon MS when they have to buy OTHER COMPANY's products to enjoy technology in their lives, and manufacturers will abandon MS when they can't count on MS to support and enhance the ecosystem required for their hardware.

    Microsoft NEVER supported, promoted and marketed Windows Phone. Not one time. After they axed the Nokia products and employees, I'm surprised that they continued with Windows 10 Mobile at all. What the hell did they expect WM10 to run on? Radio Shack TRS-80's????

    Abandonment of a unique smartphone operating system with some clear user advantages and features NOT FOUND on Android and iOS was one of the stupidest, most lame-brained moves MS has ever made. Devoting some time and resources to promotion and marketing of Windows Phone would NOT have been an instant win, but I believe over time it would have garnered a respectable share of the smartphone market and would have allowed MS to be present on all the devices at least some of their customers use to manage their lives. Ceding that market to Google, Samsung and Apple means THEY get to control the direction of mobile technology, NOT Microsoft. If Satya Nadella wants to have MS be a follower rather than a leader in mobile technology, then MS will suffer the fate of becoming irrelevant. But I will have jumped off that ship long before it sinks.
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    11-28-2017 12:55 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If Microsoft had marketed this....If Microsoft had done that....

    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas. Have y'all seen the price of Microsoft stock since Mobile was taken off the "focus" list? Shareholders think Nadella's a genius and there might even be a bonus for him while we're stuck having to find an alternative that may or may not suit us.

    Merry Christmas.
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    11-28-2017 12:55 PM
  9. Manmute's Avatar
    If Microsoft had marketed this....If Microsoft had done that....

    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas. Have y'all seen the price of Microsoft stock since Mobile was taken off the "focus" list? Shareholders think Nadella's a genius and there might even be a bonus for him while we're stuck having to find an alternative that may or may not suit us.

    Merry Christmas.
    Read the topic again please
    Arko109 likes this.
    11-28-2017 01:05 PM
  10. Maxim Alexeyev's Avatar
    If they were going to keep doing what they were doing, it wouldn't matter. But Microsoft could do something differently.

    Microsoft just got greedy. They needed to break established duopoly of Apple and Google, to do that they had to subsidize it heavily. They had to make Windows phone darn cheep. Free for OEM manufactures, rebates, any form of subsidies. They should've gone for 50% to comparable Android phones. Yes, it would become financial loss, but this is an investment today to get return tomorrow. It would be a huge bet, but that could move the needle.

    Everyone is greedy, people would respond to low price, gaining market share, which could jump start app development, since this is what developers were missing.

    You need to nurture fire before it becomes sustainable on it's own.

    I guess it's hard to do when you need to please shareholders.
    11-28-2017 01:09 PM
  11. minzegwu's Avatar
    Yes, absolutely. And it is rather unfortunate in that they could have taken the long view, in consideration of Windows Core OS and CShell. They simply needed to eliminate the multi-version nature of Windows. Doesn't make sense to have one for phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, Xbox, Hololens,
    iot
    , etc, when they could have one single modular/granular OS. The part I don't altogether understand is that they have been working on Windows Core OS for a while now and they should have planned better for the future. Windows Mobile, as an OS, is dumb, but Windows 10 in tablet (mobile) mode is NOT. They could simply do as they have done with Office, use screen size as a delineator. Here is a rough idea;
    <=7" -Windows 10 with mobile shell
    7-10" Windows 10 with
    tablet
    shell
    10+ Windows 10 with laptop/desktop shell
    Simple, isn't it? And this does, by the way, preserve UWP in that devs can still make responsive apps, based on screen size and input method. Its a win win win (for Microsoft, devs and end users).
    I do think it is a shame. I Know a Windows Core OS device is coming but many people,
    devs
    and users, have already abandoned, not just Windows 10 Mobile, but Microsoft as a whole.
    I hope they can somehow regain the public trust and resurrect themselves. I have been using an iPhone, as a bit of an experiment, for the last few months, and I do really miss Windows 10 Mobile, and will actually get another Windows Phone, as iOS/Android do not do it for me.
    There are still diehard BlackBerry and Palm OS fans and I think that number for Microsoft could have been a huge number if they kept their messaging right, but I think the sad reality is that Microsoft has driven to man loyalist away...
    I really hope the next Surface Mobile/Mini/Phone (or perhaps simply Surface) is an awesome, potentially currier like device, that will drive a lot of people back to the Microsoft camp. Who knows, at this point, with Groove Music going away, and other consumer-facing products. I do lump them kinda in the same category as Windows 10 Mobile, even though I do know there are glaring differences, but Microsoft could've handled the situation better. For instance, Groove could still exist as a music player and store, much like their Movies & TV app. They could've simply gotten rid of the Streaming portion, which I presume most of the upkeep costs came from.
    Keys to success:
    (Buy Spotify) keep selling music in the store, like Movies & TV
    Windows/One Core OS - get it right
    CShell ---get it right
    DO NOT SHIP WINDOWS WITH INCOMPLETE/BROKEN/MISSING FEATURES (MY People, ETC. There is a super long list)
    Only ship 1 major update a year
    STOP rushing features, take time to get right before shipping
    Single subscription including O365, Xbox Live, No more Groove, I don't know...
    BRING BACK UNLIMITED ONEDRIVE
    There's more but that's all for now.
    aximtreo likes this.
    11-28-2017 01:32 PM
  12. Jade Barnes's Avatar
    One moment I'm excited for Cshell and the next I'm being told there will be no new features. They gave up entirely too fast.
    11-28-2017 01:53 PM
  13. Munkyby's Avatar
    MS absolutely gave up too soon, if at all. How can you be the maker of a non-mobile operating system called Windows 10 and expect to be relevant to the world by giving up on the mobile version of said operating system. If developers don't care about W10 mobile apps, then they don't care about W10 apps in general.

    Microsoft should have two divisions. One for hardware, one for software. They should not be connected (CEO's) by anything other than a telephone used to order software for the hardware......

    What's the use. I'm tired of venting about MS pulling the rug out from under the users. The only reason MS's stock is rising so much is due to the constant revenue of cloud services, which if someone could come up with a better alternative for Office doc storage and/or OneDrive connected storage, they may not have that consumer obligated revenue.
    11-28-2017 01:56 PM
  14. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I think Ol' Nads did just the right thing at the right moment to alienate the maximum number of consumers, devs and consumer focussed suppliers as far as he could. That was pretty much his stated goal, to move MS out of the consumer space.

    Remember, 'Mobile First' was the slogan. The rest will surely follow the same post-consumer model. Seems like Ol' Nads is assured success.
    aximtreo likes this.
    11-28-2017 03:09 PM
  15. sumton's Avatar
    They are bitting on tablets as a replacement for phones
    11-28-2017 03:17 PM
  16. dav75's Avatar
    Microsoft just had too many stop - start - stop - restarts with WinPhone which put a lot of people and others off. They killed WinM7 for 8 and then they kill 8 for 10. It's very hard to get behind a phone that keeps stopping and starting over and over. They could have easily kept it going but iPhone and Google with the Hate Microsoft Advertising, it's hard to beat that bashing that has been happening over the years. One thing that I dislike about Microsoft is that they seem to focus only on North America and not the rest of the world. If it does well in North America then they release it world wide, an example of this is the Band that has now been killed. Another great product, at least I thought it was a great device
    Jaroslav Houdek and aximtreo like this.
    11-28-2017 03:56 PM
  17. Shoba Annavarjula's Avatar
    If Microsoft pursued the mobile platform, it really would have turned out like no other. Not to mention enterprise users where Office 365 is strong already. The Lumia 950 is the best smartphone camera I have ever used.
    Jaroslav Houdek and aximtreo like this.
    11-28-2017 03:57 PM
  18. mdonoway's Avatar
    If they put out a phone - similar to the samsung note 8, with microsoft features- it would have been a no brainer.

    As long as I can log into my GMAIL, and a handful of APPs- the rest can be done through a GOOD mobile browser and shortcuts on the home screen... and notifications built into the browser. Think how much space that would save on a mobile device- 1 browser to use 20,30 or 50 shortcuts- instead of installing and updating apps.... also- no permissions-

    Mark
    11-28-2017 04:49 PM
  19. tmoore71's Avatar
    I think a better question is, did Windowscentral start this thread to generate clicks? LOL.


    As for the topic, Microsoft had obviously decided to kill 10 when they released the 950. They had no other high end plans envisioned. Really sad. I loved 10. Now I have traded in my 950 toward an IPhone X for my wife. Why? Because when I went to AT&T they said the 950 was no longer supported. I currently use a Galaxy S7 Edge, and swap my sim to my 930 when I miss 10 too much. Will I ever purchase another Microsoft "phone"? Not likely after being dumped so often. So to Microsoft I say, Merry Christmas and stick to computers. You will never make it in a mobile communications arena.
    11-28-2017 04:55 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    If they put out a phone - similar to the samsung note 8, with microsoft features- it would have been a no brainer.

    As long as I can log into my GMAIL, and a handful of APPs- the rest can be done through a GOOD mobile browser and shortcuts on the home screen... and notifications built into the browser. Think how much space that would save on a mobile device- 1 browser to use 20,30 or 50 shortcuts- instead of installing and updating apps.... also- no permissions-

    Mark
    Browsers don’t replace apps and, unless you were going to buy Windows devices for $10000 each (many of them), it wouldn’t have worked.
    11-28-2017 05:04 PM
  21. Joe McClaine's Avatar
    Have you ever thought about a tile in your start screen showing the green robot, and when being pushed emulating the android OS, so we could overcome the app gap. Just dreaming...
    No, just no. There are so many reasons why that would be a terrible idea. If you want to use the Android OS then just use an Android device! I just don't get how this is difficult to understand.
    11-28-2017 05:04 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Read the topic again please
    I did. All of it.

    Particularly the Windows Central article this thread was attached to. Thanks for playing.

    https://www.windowscentral.com/chime...obile-too-soon

    Sent from my Idol 4S on mTalk
    Last edited by fatclue_98; 11-28-2017 at 06:18 PM.
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    11-28-2017 05:42 PM
  23. mdonoway's Avatar
    $10,000?

    There are very few apps that I use that could not be done through a mobile browser. Half the apps direct you to a mobile web to do anything important now. Microsoft needs to lead the way in making the mobile browser more modular and enabling websites to run like apps with notifications.
    1. Saves space on phone.
    2. reduces permissions, and access of websites.
    3. what app can not be replaced by a proper working browser with notifications enabled?
    Apps still needed-
    Messaging
    GPS
    Kindle/Audible type apps-> or a streaming through browser tab scenario..
    Camera/Gallery/Viewer -Would be made by Phone Maker
    Outlook- Calendar, Excel, Word, PPT, PDF etc.One Note
    Calculator
    Clock/Alarms/Reminders
    Phone Dialer/Contacts- Would be made by Phone Maker
    One Drive
    Apps like Square that operate as a register
    Samsung Pay- Would be made by Phone Maker
    Voice Mail - Would be made by Phone Maker
    11-28-2017 05:46 PM
  24. Joe McClaine's Avatar
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and in this case we can see the many consequences of Microsoft's retrenchment from the mobile space, but really, this should have all been foreseeable before the decision was made.

    It took Bing a while to "find its feet" and become a serious contender in the search market. If the same myopic view that has been applied to Microsoft's mobile presence had also been applied to Bing, it'd have been cancelled years ago. Instead, Microsoft persevered with it and now it is no. 2 in the US, bringing with that a host of related benefits like advertising revenue. Alas, poor Windows mobile, we knew ye well...

    One might wonder if Microsoft ever bothered to consider the wider ramifications of not having a viable mobile platform before they pulled the plug. Now that we've seen how this decision has led to the cancellation of Microsoft's digital music offering (via Groove), the halving of their original expectation for Windows 10 deployment, the retarded growth or even shrinking of the Windows 10 app scene, and more besides, do Microsoft even care? Then there's the intangible damage Microsoft has done, like putting developers off even bothering with Windows 10 products because of the smaller potential customer base who have demonstrated a reluctance to use apps on desktop PCs.

    It may have looked like a simple decision to the likes of Nadella: Windows Mobile in 3rd place, slowed or stalled growth in key markets, revenue not meeting projections, etc. but withdrawing from the mobile market may well end up doing more damage (tangible and intangible) than staying in and trying harder to make it work (like Bing). Even if they'd waited to pull the plug on W10M until they had the next big thing to replace it (i.e. WoA, CShell, etc.) would have been something, but no.

    I don't give much credence these days to what Nadella has to say, especially when he lies by saying things like "mobile first, ..." (and I'm not just thinking of smartphone hardware here, even just the Windows mobile platform) and "best on Windows". Such a stupid decision to withdraw from mobile that didn't have to be handled the way it was.
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    11-28-2017 05:59 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    $10,000?

    There are very few apps that I use that could not be done through a mobile browser. Half the apps direct you to a mobile web to do anything important now. Microsoft needs to lead the way in making the mobile browser more modular and enabling websites to run like apps with notifications.
    1. Saves space on phone.
    2. reduces permissions, and access of websites.
    3. what app can not be replaced by a proper working browser with notifications enabled?
    Apps still needed-
    Messaging
    GPS
    Kindle/Audible type apps-> or a streaming through browser tab scenario..
    Camera/Gallery/Viewer -Would be made by Phone Maker
    Outlook- Calendar, Excel, Word, PPT, PDF etc.One Note
    Calculator
    Clock/Alarms/Reminders
    Phone Dialer/Contacts- Would be made by Phone Maker
    One Drive
    Apps like Square that operate as a register
    Samsung Pay- Would be made by Phone Maker
    Voice Mail - Would be made by Phone Maker
    Who is going to pay for and support this while they are developing it? (Thus my $10000 comment). They are bleeding money in Mobile. It sounds so easy for you and me to say “just do X!” but it doesn’t work that way. I know a few fans would like to see this but you need an army to support it. It’s unrealistic.
    Blackberry fans said the same thing but eventually had to accept defeat and move to Android. Some day, in some unknown future things will change but not anytime soon.
    11-28-2017 05:59 PM
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