1. rodneyej's Avatar
    Does MS need "fans" anymore? Do technology fans need to be fans of MS? Has MS become just another tool that is necessary for technology to work in the background? I mean, screwdrivers are necessary for maintaining computer hardware, but I don't see anyone claiming to be a Stanley Tools fan. At what point can we remove MS out of the consumer facing electronics side, and place them with the likes of Cisco, IBM, and Siemens?
    10-12-2018 05:46 AM
  2. rodneyej's Avatar
    Of course there's still Windows, and Surface, but Windows is rarely used for pleasure, and Surface is most likely the last product MS has keeping consumers reminded that MS still exist. I'm not sure 10 year olds even know what MS is.
    Could my questioning stop if MS released Andromeda? Possibly
    10-12-2018 05:52 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    I don't see anyone claiming to be a Stanley Tools fan.
    My colleagues who work in the PC service department seem to be fans of Precision miniature screwdrivers.
    10-12-2018 07:04 AM
  4. rodneyej's Avatar
    😂😂😂 Touché... I'll bet more than fans of Microsoft
    Originally posted by tgp
    Originally Posted by rodneyej
    I don't see anyone claiming to be a Stanley Tools fan.
    My colleagues who work in the PC service department seem to be fans of Precision miniature screwdrivers.
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    10-12-2018 02:51 PM
  5. Old_Mil's Avatar
    Microsoft in 2018 under its current leadership is Sears in 1985.
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    10-13-2018 06:34 AM
  6. rodneyej's Avatar
    You should've said Sears in 2018... I was there in 1985, and Sears was hella popular. Lol. You must be a yungin
    Originally posted by Old_Mil
    Microsoft in 2018 under its current leadership is Sears in 1985.
    10-13-2018 08:32 AM
  7. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I think it can depend on the use case for each individual. Say gamers and content creators, I think MS is almost a necessary evil. For one who just surfs the web, watches YouTube, checks email, almost any OS will be just fine.

    But that doesn't really answer your question....MS has gotten to the point where I guess they don't need them, but at the same time, they shouldn't turn a deaf ear to what people criticize them for, either.
    10-13-2018 09:57 AM
  8. Old_Mil's Avatar
    Well, Sears in 2018 is basically dead and waiting for its final liquidation. Microsoft isn't there yet, but repeated the mistakes of Sears' management as they rested on their laurels, failed to correctly diagnose where the market was headed and ended up in a position that was not future proofed and was fundamentally noncompetitive.

    Unless Google is broken up by antitrust action in the next couple if years, they will be the demise of Microsoft.
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    10-13-2018 10:47 AM
  9. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    Every business needs fans to thrive. No fans = no sales and revenue to keep afloat.
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    10-13-2018 12:07 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    Every business needs fans to thrive. No fans = no sales and revenue to keep afloat.
    You're confusing "fans" with "customers", pretty sure very few in enterprise use Microsoft software because they are "fans" of Microsoft but their tools mostly run on that platform so they have no choice but to be customers of Microsoft. Huge difference.

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    10-13-2018 03:06 PM
  11. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    You're confusing "fans" with "customers", pretty sure very few in enterprise use Microsoft software because they are "fans" of Microsoft but their tools mostly run on that platform so they have no choice but to be customers of Microsoft. Huge difference.

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    True, but some customers are indeed fans.
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    10-13-2018 03:36 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, Sears in 2018 is basically dead and waiting for its final liquidation. Microsoft isn't there yet, but repeated the mistakes of Sears' management as they rested on their laurels, failed to correctly diagnose where the market was headed and ended up in a position that was not future proofed and was fundamentally noncompetitive.

    Unless Google is broken up by antitrust action in the next couple if years, they will be the demise of Microsoft.
    Have you seen Microsoft's valuation? They're in a neck-and-neck race with that giant-slayer Google (Alphabet) to be the 3rd company to reach the trillion club.
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    10-13-2018 04:38 PM
  13. jp144's Avatar
    While I don't think "fan" is quite the right word, it's not the wrong one either. All makers of products and services have a need to build a loyalty base. These are repeat customers because they believe in the product, and offer invaluable free "word of mouth" advertising to their friends and family.

    We still see this strategy in cars/trucks today, even though sure a car is really just a "utility" that gets us from point A to point B. But when guys say things like "I'm a Chevy man" or "I'm a Ford man" they're really saying their "fans", loyal repeat customers, of the company and their products.

    That said, MS has screwed the pooch in the last excruciating painful 3 years under Nadella. That guy doesn't understand even the remote concept of building a loyal customer base. He never would have canceled Windows Mobile without first having Andromeda (running Core OS) sitting proudly on store shelves as Windows Mobile proud successor. If or no other reason than by doing so you royally tick off developers and fans who invested heavily in your platform. That anger only boils over and ends up with them spurning MS to all their friends and family.

    Where does that leave Nadella and Microsoft? It leaves them with users who are FORCED to use their products during working hours. It leaves them with an entire generation of young people who see them as an old stodgy has-been. And when they grow up, and are the decision makers in the Enterprise they will one day replace all the Microsoft servers, desktops, and laptops with Google based products, just as surely as our generation replaced our IBM mainframes and dumb terminals with PCs.
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    10-13-2018 04:43 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    Have you seen Microsoft's valuation? They're in a neck-and-neck race with that giant-slayer Google (Alphabet) to be the 3rd company to reach the trillion club.
    That’s not necessarily because of “fans” is it?
    10-13-2018 04:48 PM
  15. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That’s not necessarily because of “fans” is it?
    That kind of cash would require air conditioners.
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    10-13-2018 07:26 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    That kind of cash would require air conditioners.
    🤣
    libra89 likes this.
    10-13-2018 07:27 PM
  17. rodneyej's Avatar
    Holy Moly!! Exactly! What happens when they are replaced im enterprise? Then what??? And, that could happen in the future.
    Originally posted by jp144
    While I don't think "fan" is quite the right word, it's not the wrong one either. All makers of products and services have a need to build a loyalty base. These are repeat customers because they believe in the product, and offer invaluable free "word of mouth" advertising to their friends and family.

    We still see this strategy in cars/trucks today, even though sure a car is really just a "utility" that gets us from point A to point B. But when guys say things like "I'm a Chevy man" or "I'm a Ford man" they're really saying their "fans", loyal repeat customers, of the company and their products.

    That said, MS has screwed the pooch in the last excruciating painful 3 years under Nadella. That guy doesn't understand even the remote concept of building a loyal customer base. He never would have canceled Windows Mobile without first having Andromeda (running Core OS) sitting proudly on store shelves as Windows Mobile proud successor. If or no other reason than by doing so you royally tick off developers and fans who invested heavily in your platform. That anger only boils over and ends up with them spurning MS to all their friends and family.

    Where does that leave Nadella and Microsoft? It leaves them with users who are FORCED to use their products during working hours. It leaves them with an entire generation of young people who see them as an old stodgy has-been. And when they grow up, and are the decision makers in the Enterprise they will one day replace all the Microsoft servers, desktops, and laptops with Google based products, just as surely as our generation replaced our IBM mainframes and dumb terminals with PCs.
    10-14-2018 11:27 PM
  18. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    I'm still a bit confused/troubled/worried about someone being a fan. Supporting a company or a brand, not necessarily for what it is, but maybe for what those persons believe it should be?
    Are fans the preachers when things look good to them? Do fans swear in public to move away from fully X to fully Y when X does not play with them the way it should, and try to take as many as possible with them? Can fans mock bosses and call them with (racist) names, in public, when product line Z comes to the end of it's technological or evonomical life?

    Life is nicer, when phones, cars and other personal stuff are selected based on need, not based on image in your head what you want it to be or present. You don't get part of big boss' soul (and even if you did, it would be very, very, very small part without veto right).

    😉
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    10-15-2018 12:07 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm still a bit confused/troubled/worried about someone being a fan. Supporting a company or a brand, not necessarily for what it is, but maybe for what those persons believe it should be?
    Are fans the preachers when things look good to them? Do fans swear in public to move away from fully X to fully Y when X does not play with them the way it should, and try to take as many as possible with them? Can fans mock bosses and call them with (racist) names, in public, when product line Z comes to the end of it's technological or evonomical life?

    Life is nicer, when phones, cars and other personal stuff are selected based on need, not based on image in your head what you want it to be or present. You don't get part of big boss' soul (and even if you did, it would be very, very, very small part without veto right).

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    Nice post.
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    10-15-2018 07:02 AM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    I'm still a bit confused/troubled/worried about someone being a fan. Supporting a company or a brand, not necessarily for what it is, but maybe for what those persons believe it should be?
    Are fans the preachers when things look good to them? Do fans swear in public to move away from fully X to fully Y when X does not play with them the way it should, and try to take as many as possible with them? Can fans mock bosses and call them with (racist) names, in public, when product line Z comes to the end of it's technological or evonomical life?

    Life is nicer, when phones, cars and other personal stuff are selected based on need, not based on image in your head what you want it to be or present. You don't get part of big boss' soul (and even if you did, it would be very, very, very small part without veto right).

    Are you me? My thoughts exactly.

    Nice post.
    Yup.
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    10-15-2018 11:50 AM
  21. MrockNroll's Avatar
    Well said.
    Laura Knotek and tgp like this.
    10-15-2018 01:59 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm still a bit confused/troubled/worried about someone being a fan. Supporting a company or a brand, not necessarily for what it is, but maybe for what those persons believe it should be?
    Are fans the preachers when things look good to them? Do fans swear in public to move away from fully X to fully Y when X does not play with them the way it should, and try to take as many as possible with them? Can fans mock bosses and call them with (racist) names, in public, when product line Z comes to the end of it's technological or evonomical life?

    Life is nicer, when phones, cars and other personal stuff are selected based on need, not based on image in your head what you want it to be or present. You don't get part of big boss' soul (and even if you did, it would be very, very, very small part without veto right).

    Those are my thoughts as well.
    fatclue_98, libra89, tgp and 1 others like this.
    10-15-2018 04:39 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm still a bit confused/troubled/worried about someone being a fan. Supporting a company or a brand, not necessarily for what it is, but maybe for what those persons believe it should be?
    Are fans the preachers when things look good to them? Do fans swear in public to move away from fully X to fully Y when X does not play with them the way it should, and try to take as many as possible with them? Can fans mock bosses and call them with (racist) names, in public, when product line Z comes to the end of it's technological or evonomical life?

    Life is nicer, when phones, cars and other personal stuff are selected based on need, not based on image in your head what you want it to be or present. You don't get part of big boss' soul (and even if you did, it would be very, very, very small part without veto right).

    I believe people are fans when a product makes a personal connection with the person who is using it. People support a brand for how it makes them feel. If I go to an Apple store, which is close to my home (convenience) and leave after having a good experience (customer service), I'm a fan. It's still just a smartphone (need) but now I feel connected to the company (fan). Everything else is just noise.
    libra89 and aximtreo like this.
    10-15-2018 07:55 PM

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