1. jsooney's Avatar
    You just have to browse the site to answer your own question. Lots of times you have to do things like soft resets, hard resets, turn kids corner off and on, stand on one leg during a gibbous moon while holding the phone perpendicular to the ground, whatever. It's not a big deal, but if you're used to a brainless experience it can be a problem.

    I saw a guy the other day grumbling about his 1020. When I told him how to fix his problem he didn't want to know, his attitude was "why should I have to do that, I never did on my other phone". A lot of people just want their stuff to work, they don't want to have to fool with it to make it work, it's just an appliance to them.
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    11-07-2014 07:44 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @jsooney

    Dude... Life is filled with people who can't operate their tech and never learn how - no matter what that tech is. I talk to people all the time who need advice on their Android/iOS/BB 10/Windows/Mac/Roku/Game Console/Electric Shaver/what-have-you... Windows Phone is not special in that regard.

    Some users operate their tech "brainlessly," but that's no guarantee their tech has no issues.
    11-07-2014 09:53 PM
  3. runamuck83's Avatar
    Kinda sad to see our own community deterring users from even considering Windows Phone. How will we ever succeed if can't even advocate some of its virtues without ******** about its shortcomings... *sigh*
    11-07-2014 10:18 PM
  4. SammyD97's Avatar
    Nobody can successfully help the OP because he/she is the only one who knows his/her needs.

    To OP: The app gap is there for some and not there for others. It all depends on your needs. Like some have suggested, first look at the apps you have on the iphone and look in the windows phone store to see if you can find matches or alternatives. If you're satisfied with the app situation, pick a phone.

    With the two phones you gave as options, I'd say go for the 830. If you're looking to buy a phone to try windows phone and plan to keep the phone if you like the OS, the 830 is your phone. If you're looking to buy a phone to try windows phone with the intention of getting rid of it in favour of a high end alternative if you like the Os, get the 635.

    You can still easily get the iPhone 6 if you come to the conclusion that WP is not for you.
    11-08-2014 12:13 AM
  5. techiez's Avatar
    Kinda sad to see our own community deterring users from even considering Windows Phone. How will we ever succeed if can't even advocate some of its virtues without ******** about its shortcomings... *sigh*
    When MS gives us something to defend, OP mentioned about itunes, I believe music is one of key use for him, should we make him buy a WP and let him be frustrated like rest of us with xbox music? even after numerous updates its still ****.
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    11-08-2014 01:20 AM
  6. techiez's Avatar
    @jsooney

    Dude... Life is filled with people who can't operate their tech and never learn how - no matter what that tech is. I talk to people all the time who need advice on their Android/iOS/BB 10/Windows/Mac/Roku/Game Console/Electric Shaver/what-have-you... Windows Phone is not special in that regard.

    Some users operate their tech "brainlessly," but that's no guarantee their tech has no issues.
    Ppl need help and advice on their tech but it should work without workarounds, not the case with many issues in WP, every other day some or the other issue requires a soft reset or some workaround to work properly.
    11-08-2014 02:14 AM
  7. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    Oh my word reading the posts on here is like the funny papers, you have the haters the lovers and they all know it all. I went to Windows phone because it is simple straight forward and easy to work with and I like the look of it. I have installed maybe 10 app's on my phone and use two to three daily and they all work just fine compared to the android version, I also have Nexus 7 tablet so I do know how they compare. I am using my second Windows phone a 920 and I just ordered a new M8 Windows phone, I have never had to reset or soft reset or fiddle with my 920 or the 900 before it. I have used Apple and android and I think they are all nice phones, it all boils down to what works for you. If you are coming from an i-phone to a windows phone you will like a 800 series or 900 series phone they have the better camera's and better speed. Good luck in your search.
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    11-08-2014 03:21 AM
  8. anon(5061193)'s Avatar
    I bought a Surface Pro 3 and I loved it and thought.. SInce I going to get rid of my Ipad, maybe get rid of Iphone as well and go full Windows??..... I got the M8 (on Verizon) and have had it about two weeks and it is great. I play with the tiles everyday trying to find that perfect combination. It is a great phone... I have my family with their own tiles right on top, so I can call them in an instant...

    The app gap is no big deal (for me anyway)... I am not dumping on the iphone, but the M8 is great....

    Saying a particular phone is better or worse is asinine.... They all do a great job.... It is preference...Good luck with your choice... Keep us posted
    11-08-2014 06:50 AM
  9. runamuck83's Avatar
    When MS gives us something to defend, OP mentioned about itunes, I believe music is one of key use for him, should we make him buy a WP and let him be frustrated like rest of us with xbox music? even after numerous updates its still ****.
    I disagree. It works great for me after the updates
    11-08-2014 07:00 AM
  10. harihar akhil's Avatar
    I disagree. It works great for me after the updates
    Really how did you manage It to work without lag.
    11-08-2014 07:20 AM
  11. harihar akhil's Avatar
    cons of downgrading from iPhone to wp.
    1.every app lags(loading and resuming problems minimum 1+second)including system apps.(have splash screen to hide loading screen)

    2.better Microsoft services on iPhone when compared to wp.(office,Skype,OneDrive....)

    edit: Not better,the best just tried on my friends iPhone.

    3.windows store has 300,000+ apps but when it comes to quality don't expect the same as for iPhone.

    4. IE 11 not as power full as safari.IE can't render even windows central website correctly sometimes it even crashes.

    You do really want to get a wp,better hold back.Don't know what might come with windows 10 for phones.
    Last edited by harihar akhil; 11-08-2014 at 07:43 AM.
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    11-08-2014 07:28 AM
  12. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    When MS gives us something to defend, OP mentioned about itunes, I believe music is one of key use for him, should we make him buy a WP and let him be frustrated like rest of us with xbox music? even after numerous updates its still ****.
    Xbox Music works fine for me for the part. No lag and limited bugs. The only thing that does something is sometimes it'll accidentally go to the next song. But Xbox Music has been perfect for me on my 1520. Well near perfect.

    cons of downgrading from iPhone to wp.
    1.every app lags(loading and resuming problems minimum 1+second)including system apps.(have splash screen to hide loading screen)
    I notice lag even on Android apps as well. And I don't consider a second of launching an app on my 1520 lag. Lag to me is 5 seconds and that everything I do, it is always 3 steps behind me....And that never happens on my 1520.


    2.better Microsoft services on iPhone when compared to wp.(office,Skype,OneDrive....)

    edit: Not better,the best just tried on my friends iPhone.
    My integration seems perfect on my Windows Phone and My surface tablet. I am not sure what exactly an Ipad/Mac can do that I can't do.

    The fact I can save images on my phone to Onedrive and immediately go to my Surface on Windows 8.1 and see the phone in my library. Since Windows 8.1 and Phone 8.1, the integration is phenomenal.

    I use IE as well, so I love the fact that my browser now syncs all my favorites and passwords and all that good stuff with my phone. I wasn't aware that APPLE had IE.

    So no, Apple products do not offer full integration.

    3.windows store has 300,000+ apps but when it comes to quality don't expect the same as for iPhone.
    That's not Windows Phone fault. Let's blame the OS for stuff it can help. Blame Crap developers for not properly updating and maintaining their apps.

    And even then....It's still not as bad as you make it out to be as well as there are alternatives that are loads better than their Android/IOS counter parts.

    6tag > Instagram

    Most youtube apps > Official youtube apps
    4. IE 11 not as power full as safari.IE can't render even windows central website correctly sometimes it even crashes.


    I actually sort of blame WC for that. Ever since that redesign, usability is a bit annoying, especially since it forces you into "MOBILE".

    That being said, I have no issues with IE on most sites I visit. Nor does it crash on me often. Maybe once or twice in the last year I've owned my 1520
    You do really want to get a wp,better hold back.Don't know what might come with windows 10 for phones.
    No need to hold back. Windows phone 8.1 devices will get Windows 10.

    Get yourself a Lumia 1520 or an Icon or a 1020 or if you must....sigh, Samsung or HTC, and enjoy the OS :) It is a good OS and has some shortcomings and Microsoft frustrates me sometimes but it is not a bad OS.
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    11-08-2014 08:58 AM
  13. harihar akhil's Avatar
    Sorry no place to quote and type your comment "superboy micah."

    music is the standard functionality of any phone,why would a user expect a lag for music app.

    So you have a flag ship device.How could you even compromise with a high end device which takes time to resume or open an app.These devices are meant to be buttery smooth based on their hardware functionality.

    OneDrive is directly integrated to windows phone I even like that.Talking about sync OneDrive only sync photos present in camera roll and saved pictures but not pics in any other folder.In android every pic(no matter which folder) is directly sync to cloud.
    And this is what i need for my phone.
    Did not test with OneDrive for android.

    Blame developers sure not all.Blame os sure that's what I do because of its limited functionality.
    What to open app without lag see resuming screen for you app and vice versa.(got this based on proshot and video editor app updates).

    didn't say that iPhone has ie.said safari browser.

    At last the wp 8.1 introduced miracast but the older devices aren't supported.The same way after windows for 10(being huge update) is introduced there may be features which may not be capable for older devices .so we need to hold back.
    11-08-2014 10:21 AM
  14. runamuck83's Avatar
    At last the wp 8.1 introduced miracast but the older devices aren't supported.The same way after windows for 10(being huge update) is introduced there may be features which may not be capable for older devices .so we need to hold back.
    How is this any different from iOS? Are you aware that the latest iOS updates, even if they install on some of the older iPhones - DO NOT support all the same functionality? This is how it goes when you have an older device. You don't get everything the latest and greatest phone has.
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    11-08-2014 12:52 PM
  15. TrueDelena4ever's Avatar
    Yes,you should,
    It's not laggy and it has great cameras
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    11-08-2014 03:40 PM
  16. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Xbox Music works fine for me for the part. No lag and limited bugs. The only thing that does something is sometimes it'll accidentally go to the next song. But Xbox Music has been perfect for me on my 1520. Well near perfect.



    I notice lag even on Android apps as well. And I don't consider a second of launching an app on my 1520 lag. Lag to me is 5 seconds and that everything I do, it is always 3 steps behind me....And that never happens on my 1520.



    My integration seems perfect on my Windows Phone and My surface tablet. I am not sure what exactly an Ipad/Mac can do that I can't do.

    The fact I can save images on my phone to Onedrive and immediately go to my Surface on Windows 8.1 and see the phone in my library. Since Windows 8.1 and Phone 8.1, the integration is phenomenal.

    I use IE as well, so I love the fact that my browser now syncs all my favorites and passwords and all that good stuff with my phone. I wasn't aware that APPLE had IE.

    So no, Apple products do not offer full integration.


    That's not Windows Phone fault. Let's blame the OS for stuff it can help. Blame Crap developers for not properly updating and maintaining their apps.

    And even then....It's still not as bad as you make it out to be as well as there are alternatives that are loads better than their Android/IOS counter parts.

    6tag > Instagram

    Most youtube apps > Official youtube apps


    I actually sort of blame WC for that. Ever since that redesign, usability is a bit annoying, especially since it forces you into "MOBILE".

    That being said, I have no issues with IE on most sites I visit. Nor does it crash on me often. Maybe once or twice in the last year I've owned my 1520


    No need to hold back. Windows phone 8.1 devices will get Windows 10.

    Get yourself a Lumia 1520 or an Icon or a 1020 or if you must....sigh, Samsung or HTC, and enjoy the OS :) It is a good OS and has some shortcomings and Microsoft frustrates me sometimes but it is not a bad OS.
    Ios/itunes can't store music on anything other than main drive. Sounds silly but when you have a lot of music on a second drive or SD card it is really annoying.
    11-08-2014 03:44 PM
  17. JamesPTao's Avatar
    You just have to browse the site to answer your own question. Lots of times you have to do things like soft resets, hard resets, turn kids corner off and on, stand on one leg during a gibbous moon while holding the phone perpendicular to the ground, whatever. It's not a big deal, but if you're used to a brainless experience it can be a problem.

    I saw a guy the other day grumbling about his 1020. When I told him how to fix his problem he didn't want to know, his attitude was "why should I have to do that, I never did on my other phone". A lot of people just want their stuff to work, they don't want to have to fool with it to make it work, it's just an appliance to them.
    And that is why Symbian never took off I the us. It had great features way ahead of its time but you had to at least be a little computer literate or willing to learn to take advantage of all of its potential. The us carriers had asked the main writers to dum it down for the us market, they said hell no. Can't really blame them.
    11-08-2014 03:47 PM
  18. msirapian's Avatar
    My contribution. I would say yes, and with the new Lumias (635,735,830,930) you have the choice. I say yes, not because as some here, I'm an unconditional fanboy, but :
    a) I have a 5S from work, so I know iOS and iphone
    b) I own a 1020 as my personal phone.

    And I absolutely love my 1020. Because WP allows me to do all the productivity-linked tasks (office, onedrive, onenote, etc.), play a bit (not my cup of tea on a phone), see at a glance what's going on with the live tiles. The keyboard, on my 1020, is so much more comfortable than on the 5S too.

    This being said, when you enter into details, it's not perfect. You can't set timezone when creating an event, you can't see tasks and events in the calendar view, you can't have a task live tile, etc. As for office, I suspect MS is waiting for Windows for the big bang on WP.

    But even with these little drawbacks, I find WP superior because :
    a) I don't feel prisoner of an OS. Entering the WP world makes you enter the MS cloud, and my onenote notebooks are on my Surface 2, my 1020 and my iphone. No fear to be trapped hardware-wise, like the Apple world,
    b) The windowsphones are value for money. I'm not saying they are cheap, but you have value for your money. It may be true for high end Androids, but certainly not for Apple. You have value, oh yes, but the price is way too high.

    I come from the Symbian world. My last symbian was a Nokia 808 Pureview, and had to wonder do I go Android, WP or iOS. I hate Google, their philosophy and don't trust them. I respect Apple, but, hey, as I said, it's a golden cage and you even have to play the price of titanium for it, lol. WP for me was natural, plus it was Nokia. And I love that OS more every day. WP8.1 is great, I'm expecting to be wow-ed by W10.

    Final point, I have many friends who have switched from iPhone to WP and frankly, none of them think today to return to iOS or go to Android.

    I hope you'll find enough hints in this thread to guide you towards your next phone. There is no best mobile OS, nor best phone. You have to choose the best for you. Good luck :)
    11-08-2014 05:25 PM
  19. laytoncy's Avatar
    I'm in the same situation as the OP. I have an iPhone 4 and am ready to make a change. It will either be Windows or Android. Either way I'm reading threads here and Android Central and doing my research. I won't do anything until after 11/11 for the Microsoft announcement. To the OP I recommend, if you haven't already, go to the windowsphone site and check and see if the apps you use daily are available. A big one for me is Dropbox. Yes, I know there is OneDrive and I use it as well but I use Dropbox too. But I see that MS just signed a deal with Dropbox the other day so that app will be coming in a few months. The other thing for me is how can MS not have Office for its own devices? What I mean by that is how can it not have at least what it offers for iOS and Android or better. These don't sway me and I really like what I see when I watch Windows Phone videos here.

    I have 2 questions for those in the "know". Will the processor in the 830 hurt me in the future as far as upgrades or apps (as far as one can know)? Also, what do you guys use for Audiobooks? I listen to m4b's now and can easily convert them to mp3's but I want to make sure there is an app that will handle them and save where I left off and will said app save this data (chapter info) for more than one book at a time. Thanks in advance.
    11-08-2014 06:30 PM
  20. L Beezy's Avatar
    I want to say to buy an older model WP like a 520, but the older hardware and specs won't give you a full-fledged WP experience. I would suggest test-driving one of the Windows Phones you speak of. I know with AT&T, you have a 14-day return period granted you don't damage their phone. I have a 1520 and am content with my WP experience.

    Each OS has their strengths and weaknesses, and WP is no different from iOS and Android. To answer your specific questions and be honest as I possibly can:
    1. There is an app gap, although slowly closing. Here, it depends on what apps you want/need when describing this gap. I'm not heavy on gaming, and I have every app I need except for an NBA app and a Capital One app. App quality is decent; sometimes beautiful and sometimes lacking from other platforms. Like I previously said, it depends on your need.

    2. Xbox Music is the default app, but there are others in the Windows Store to choose from. Xbox Music is decent; it was horrible and slow at one time, but with frequent updates, it has become faster and more reliable. It still needs room for improvement, but I use it every day and I have no problems with it other than a slight pause when loading a playlist with a lot of songs.

    3. As for WP-Windows integration, it's pretty smooth. There's an app in W8 that allows you to practically move add anything to your WP. Or if you like, you can just go straight into the phone from the "Computer" pane in W8. I hardly use the app and just go straight to the phone. In iPhone, you're limited to how deep you can go into the system of your phone if not jailbroken. In Android, you go straight into your phone from "Computer."

    4. Like my first paragraph mentioned, I would suggest getting personal with one of the two phones you mentioned. Lumias have great apps specifically made for them in the Windows Store which would make me choose the Lumia brand. The HTC One M8 is a better phone in processor speed, but HTC's support has been shoddy with their other Windows Phones.

    I believe that only you can make a sound decision; people here will either steer you towards or far away from WP. I have the privilege of having used all three OSs (A Nexus 5, Nexus 10, iPhone 5s, Lumia 920 and Lumia 1520), and I can say that it's honestly a preference thing when it comes to what you want. Good luck with your choice and let us know what you decide.
    11-08-2014 06:41 PM
  21. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I agree with almost everyone here that you should get a used one first.

    So let me write what you've wrote.

    1. The app gap, is there and the quality of official apps are questionable. Windows Phone developers however have built fantastic alternative to the official apps. Of course it depends on what sort of apps you want, since not every major company has an app for Windows Phone.

    2. Xbox Music is the default music app used for Windows Phone, if you have an Xbox 360, Xbox One and have a Xbox Music pass, that pass works in Windows Phone. If you plug in your headphones (or earphones) you can "enhance" your listening experience with the Dolby digital, and use an equalizer if you wish.

    3. If you have a Windows 8 PC and activated OneDrive synchronization then yes there's a synergy. All of your settings, personalization (with the exception of the background) gets synced with Windows Phone if you use the same Microsoft account on your PC.

    4.If you want, you can try a flagship style phone that I can sell you. If you want something new then yes the 830 is the perfect choice between price/performance and heck there's always the remorse law that you can return it in 14 days (I believe it's 14 anyway) if you're not satisfied with it.

    Of course if you have ANY questions related to Windows Phone or Windows in general you should ask us here. We'll be glad to answer (you might get some huge fanboys though so watch out how you write your question :P)
    Last edited by ShinraCorp; 11-08-2014 at 07:41 PM.
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    11-08-2014 07:01 PM
  22. DJCBS's Avatar
    I have an iPhone 4 and am looking to upgrade. I'm happy enough with Apple, but I'm a little annoying at feeling locked in to iTunes. I recently bought a Windows desktop and thought using a Windows Phone might integrate nicely with that. I'd love to hear feedback, in particular to the following:

    1. I hear a lot about the lack of good apps for Windows Phone. Is this still a major issue or is the gap narrowing?

    2. What app do most people use to listen to music (i.e., what is the replacement for iTunes)?

    3. Is there synergy between a Windows desktop and Windows Phone that I will enjoy (as opposed to Windows desktop with an iPhone or Android)?

    4. I'm on AT&T, so would you go with the Lumia 830 ($99 on contract and $449 off contract) or HTC One M8 ($199 and $669? I'm due (overdue, in fact) for an upgrade. But because Windows is a new OS for me, I was thinking of going off contract, in which case I'd opt for the Lumia 830. That way, if it doesn't work out, I can revert back to an iPhone 6 or Android flagship at the contract price.

    All feedback would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
    1 - The app gap is closing. HOWEVER, the apps on WP are normally atrocious. So, while you HAVE the apps, they're normally either half baked, Betas or just web wrappers. If you come from an iPhone you WILL notice the difference.

    2 - Xbox Music is the norm. However that may change as of 1st December when free streaming of music is ending. Nokia MixRadio is a popular service too. I can't really tell you as I never listened to music on my phones as WP devices normally have terrible battery life.

    3 - Sort of. It's not of there but it will only become really one platform when Windows 10 and Windows (Phone) 10 arrive. You'll get "Universal" apps (meaning, you buy the app once and have it on PC, tablet and phone)- But the biggest synergy is achieved through Microsoft's services like OneDrive. And those kinds of services, though, you can also have on other platforms (example: I switched to Android yet I still kept Microsoft's ecosystem intact since OneDrive, Office, Outlook, all of those are available on Google Play thus I never had to use any of Google's competing services).

    4 - Of you value a flagship, the HTC One M8. If you value the camera above all, the 830 is a better option. But if you really want to test out a device, you can ask Microsoft Mobile for a test unit. Head over to Trial a Lumia - Lumia Conversations and ask. Now, when Nokia ran the show they were pretty open to let you try out the phones. Now Microsoft is in charge though, so I don't know if they've tightened up the process. But hey, if you don't try, you don't know ;)
    11-08-2014 09:47 PM
  23. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    4 - Of you value a flagship, the HTC One M8. If you value the camera above all, the 830 is a better option. But if you really want to test out a device, you can ask Microsoft Mobile for a test unit. Head over to Trial a Lumia - Lumia Conversations and ask. Now, when Nokia ran the show they were pretty open to let you try out the phones. Now Microsoft is in charge though, so I don't know if they've tightened up the process. But hey, if you don't try, you don't know ;)
    HOLD THE PHONE (Badum tsssh) you're saying it's actually POSSIBLE TO TRY A LUMIA? I never even knew that was a thing.. THAT'S AWESOME!
    11-08-2014 09:51 PM
  24. onysi's Avatar
    Lack of apps is overly exaggerated. Look at what you usually use on iOS vs WpOS. I guarantee you, most of the 'social apps' you need are already in WP in a form of 3rd party. We have rogue dev's taking all of these apps into WP and they are better designed. Also, Google issue; I am not in any of their ecosystem on the PC and I'm doing fine. Microsoft can provide you the same with Office, email, maps, and bing. That's really all you need. And I am a student, so its rare for me to use Google.com for depth Research papers. If you got through the late 90's without Google, you'll be fine without them today.
    11-08-2014 10:07 PM
  25. scotiez's Avatar
    I didn't read every ones comments on here but i'll tell ya mine. I used to be a die hard IOS apple IPhone fan, but I got tired of the high cost of apple products. Yes even the IPhone comes with its own problems too and since I do have a windows desktop and laptop the only way it syncs instantly is through one drive. Even Icloud didn't sync instantly or maybe that was just my system. I decided to give windows phone a try so I bought the HTC One M8 for windows, mostly cause it has 8.1 and it was a new release with LOTS and LOTS of power. 1st thing I noticed is when I add a book mark on my desktop or laptop it also appears on my phone, When I change a document in word or one note it is changed on all my devices. These files are not saved in one drive but through your Microsoft log in. One drive also works very nice.
    MUSIC OMG I love music and I have tons of ITunes music. Problem with apple and iPhone is once in a while syncing it would mess up my music bad and would take hours for me to fix. I have not had a problem at all once I switched over to windows phone using Xbox music. Once you get a windows phone and hook it up to your computer you will be able to bring all your iTunes music over plus have your xbox music. you can continue to purchase music with iTunes if you wish or purchase from xbox music pass. I do like Xbox music better then ITunes.
    As for the app gap that all depends what your looking for. If a decent app is not available then use IE and pin it to your start screen. I have done this and it works rather well.
    There are to many people out there that give negative feed back on the windows phone OS because either they don't know the system or think they know everything and what ever they have is the best. NO operating system is going to be perfect for everyone, Same goes for the phones, Everyone has their own opinion on what phone is the best. Just do what you want and if you want to give windows phone a try then do it. either you will be amazed on how easy it connects with your computer or you won't. It doesn't mean your stuck and can't switch back if you don't like it. If more people gave it a chance instead of listening to all the negative feedback from others I think windows phone would be a lot farther a head then what they are. Windows 10 is on the way and Microsoft promises it will be the best system yet. Time will tell and I am one who will be sticking around to find out.
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    11-08-2014 10:11 PM
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