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  1. RushabK's Avatar
    Yes....I found those 3rd party apps, but didn't like the "tacked" on feeling. You never know, maybe at Apple's next OS event, they will introduce a functioning FB integration feature and will convince the world that they were the first to introduce such a "groundbreaking" idea.
    02-28-2015 11:19 AM
  2. steve_w_7's Avatar
    So, after a good long weekend of playing around with my new phone, I find that I am liking it more and more. I'm not reaching for my 925 any more, which is what you would expect, I suppose. The Microsoft apps work great and have all the new features that aren't available yet on Windows Phone. The iPhone offers a real premium experience.

    Having said that, iPhone is not perfect and there are a few things that Windows Phone has nailed and simply does better. For example:


    • Cortana. There is no question in my mind that Cortana is head and shoulders better than Siri. If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, they simply haven't used Cortana. Own that, Windows Phone users! If the rumors that Microsoft is releasing a Cortana app on iPhone are true, that would be amazing.
    • People Hub. You simply cannot replicate the aggregation of information that is available in the People Hub on iPhone. I truly hope that Microsoft recognizes this and doesn't abandon this concept.
    • Speech. Believe it or not, iPhone doesn't have a feature where it can read aloud incoming text messages when it's connected to a Bluetooth device. If you have a Bluetooth speaker in your car, you will know how cool this is and I will miss this feature immensely.


    Although these features are missing on iPhone, they aren't deal breakers for me and I think it's safe to say that I am going to keep my iPhone and bid farewell to Windows Phone. I will, however, be interested to see what Microsoft releases in the way of a flagship Windows 10 phone. If it blows my socks off, I may come back. I'd like to think that I have an open mind about things like this.
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    03-02-2015 11:51 AM
  3. steve_w_7's Avatar
    After a week in, I have come to the conclusion that iPhone isn't really any better than Windows Phone. A year or two ago you could have made that argument, but between the combination of WP's advancements and iPhone's stagnation over the past year or so, you couldn't honestly say that one is better than the other. They are just different and each has features that the other doesn't. As a long-time WP user, there are things that iPhone doesn't have that really puzzle me and, if I were honest, bug me. However, the glaring difference to me is the superiority of the experience that iPhone provides over Windows Phone.

    In my view, it is critical that Microsoft release a killer flagship phone this summer. As much as I absolutely adored my 925, it just doesn't hold a candle to the iPhone 6+. The quality and overall experience on iPhone is just that much better. I know Microsoft has it in them to produce an amazing handset and if they can pull it off, I am almost certain I will come back.


    A running list of iPhone pros and cons: (Note: I realize that some of these pros may be addressed with Windows 10.)

    iPhone Pros:
    • Premium hardware
    • Brilliant screen. Everything just looks great.
    • Apps and services
    • Microsoft apps look and work much better on iOS
    • Well known and predictable update path
    • No exclusives
    • iTunes
    • Full app functionality (I'm looking at you, Fitbit!)
    • All banking apps available
    • Fingerprint scanner - I thought this was going to be gimmicky, but it's revolutionary IMO.
    • Custom keyboards.
    • Landscape mode (6+ only) - gives you dual panes for settings, email, text.
    • Battery on the 6+ is unbelievably amazing. Wow!
    • Lightning charger. Sure, it's just another proprietary thing, but it charges fast and no more fumbling to get it in the right way up.
    • Email works just like your desktop email does. You can attach and save all kinds of different files right from Outlook.
    • iPhone camera is better than my 925's camera, though the image stabilizer is better on the 925 when shooting video.



    iPhone Cons:
    • User interface is bland and inconsistent.
    • Single, physical home button is clunky. A capacitive button would work better - particularly with a phone the size of the 6+.
    • No back button.
    • Not much baked-in functionality. For most things you are used to on WP, you have to do via app and it feels tacked on.
    • Cortana is much much better than Siri. Not even debatable.
    • Can't input Siri commands via text.
    • Contacts are a nightmare - Facebook integration is a total joke.
    • Inability to read incoming texts automatically when connected to a Bluetooth device.
    • UI not as smooth as Windows Phone.
    • Quiet hours are not programmable by day (example: every Sunday from 9:00-10:10), and it's lacking the function in WP where you can set it to go into quiet hours when an appointment is marked as "busy".
    • Almost all of the actionable commands are at the top of the screen (back, next, done, address bars, etc.). This seems to be the way WP is going as well and it just baffles me.
    • Lightning charger. I have to go out and buy a bunch more to replace all the micro USB plugs I have laying around the house, office, car.
    • No glance screen equivalent.
    • No lock screen notifications.
    Last edited by steve_w_7; 03-12-2015 at 11:12 AM.
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    03-05-2015 05:34 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ Interesting read. Thank you.
    03-05-2015 05:50 PM
  5. EchoOne30's Avatar
    Good thread, OP. I'm moving to the iPhone soon myself. Good read here.
    03-05-2015 06:01 PM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    So it sounds like if you truly need appsand can't live without them iPhone is better but windows phone is better if you wanted a unified and superior user experience
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    03-05-2015 06:16 PM
  7. steve_w_7's Avatar
    So it sounds like if you truly need appsand can't live without them iPhone is better but windows phone is better if you wanted a unified and superior user experience
    I wouldn't say that the Windows Phone user experience is superior to iPhone. Unified, yes.
    03-05-2015 06:58 PM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I wouldn't say that the Windows Phone user experience is superior to iPhone. Unified, yes.
    As someone who has used both. I would.
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    03-05-2015 07:21 PM
  9. RushabK's Avatar
    I'm a month into my switch from WP to iPhone and I pretty much agree completely with the OP. I've stated my views on this thread about what seems to be better (from my personal perspective) on the iPhone vs WP.

    The interesting thing that the OP and I agree on is how the Microsoft apps on the iPhone are more superior than their WP versions. At first, I was a little irked about this, but when I really thought about it, I started to see what was truly going on. Microsoft has always been a software company and it was their software that made them who they are. Under Balmer, they lost their identity whereas under Nadella, they truly know who they want to be. They want to be a great software company who's services are readily available on every device possible. 95% of the mobile market share are iPhone / Android users and many of those users are also PC users. If you want 95% of the people using your services, you are going to want to make sure that the mobile experience is seamless and mind-blowing for them. That is what MS is doing. This is not to say that MS is turning their backs on their loyal WP users, but that the financial and business "bottom line" doesn't justify full focus on a 3% market share device (even if that device is their own). I believe that MS will always keep WP around (because they have to as a tech company), but I think they have resigned to the fact that WP will not catchup to the other platforms and so they are going to make sure that their core business (software services) thrives no matter what platform or OS (for example they just released the preview version of Office 2016 for MAC which is getting very positive reviews). W10 may help MS achieve more users, but I don't believe MS is betting all their eggs in the W10 phone basket. What I mean by this is if W10 doesn't attract every app developer, MS will still be okay because their services (i.e their major revenue maker) will be on every other platform / OS.

    I do miss my WP, and still use my 1520 sparingly, but I don't foresee a switch back just yet.

    By the way, to the OP...didn't I tell you that the fingerprint scanner was revolutionary? However, I too truly hate the FB integration on the iPhone...just terrible...SMH!
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    03-09-2015 09:54 AM
  10. steve_w_7's Avatar
    By the way, to the OP...didn't I tell you that the fingerprint scanner was revolutionary? However, I too truly hate the FB integration on the iPhone...just terrible...SMH!
    I think the thing that I dislike the most about iPhone is the physical home button. It feels antiquated and clunky and it makes the 6+ very awkward when you use it one-handed. You totally nailed it on the fingerprint scanner! That feature makes it much easier to get into the phone and makes up (a tiny bit) for the lack of a capacitive button. The iPhone experience would be so much more pleasant if they would get over themselves and go capacitive or on-screen with their buttons. (They would burn me as a heretic if I brought that point up on iMore. lol)
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    03-09-2015 10:53 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    I think the thing that I dislike the most about iPhone is the physical home button. It feels antiquated and clunky and it makes the 6+ very awkward when you use it one-handed. You totally nailed it on the fingerprint scanner! That feature makes it much easier to get into the phone and makes up (a tiny bit) for the lack of a capacitive button. The iPhone experience would be so much more pleasant if they would get over themselves and go capacitive or on-screen with their buttons. (They would burn me as a heretic if I brought that point up on iMore. lol)
    I agree with you on the home button. For one thing, it requires a huge bezel which is otherwise wasted. Apple could at least put a back button down there! And yes, certainly be careful bringing that up on iMore! They're good people, but they don't like suggestions that alternate from the current situation.
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    03-09-2015 11:05 AM
  12. Witness's Avatar
    I just saw this in my thread history and just posted my experience going from WP to iOS. Now I'm back to WP. Having loaded almost all of MS apps on my iPhone 6, it really made switching back easy. On the flip side, anyone on iOS will have a tough time switching to WP simply because Apple makes it tough to switch.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/app...ml#post3031167
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    03-19-2015 03:33 PM
  13. steve_w_7's Avatar
    Three weeks since switching to iPhone and I thought I'd give a little update.

    I like the phone, but I don't love it the way that I enjoyed my Windows Phone. The iPhone experience is super polished, but there's something missing -- it's cold, like it doesn't have a soul, if that makes any sense. It just feels like a device to me unlike my Windows Phone which felt incredibly personal.

    I find myself being more and more disappointed than being impressed anymore - but I think that has a lot to do with my expectations going in.

    There are a ton of apps, but very very few that I would miss if I switched back. The one thing that is glaringly different between the two app stores is that the Windows Phone store offers a ton more free apps or apps that have free trials. There are hardly any apps that you don't have to pay for on iPhone. When I was on Windows Phone, I found that I was constantly trying out new apps (weather apps, for example). You can't do that on iPhone without plunking down a couple of bucks each time. I don't mind paying money for a good app, but I like to try it out first if I can.

    The biggest thing, to me, with iPhone is the number of times you have to touch your phone to get anything done. Tap, tap, tap. Windows Phone is so much more productive with the glance screen/lock screen notifications. And when you do have to turn on the phone, if the information doesn't present itself on your live tiles, the swiping gestures and the back button are so much easier to navigate than what iPhone has going on.

    I guess what I've come to learn is the grass is definitely not greener on this side of the fence. Windows Phone has a great thing going and they could easily go toe to toe with iPhone if they could offer a premium handset experience. Fingers crossed for W10...
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    03-19-2015 05:19 PM
  14. Witness's Avatar
    Three weeks since switching to iPhone and I thought I'd give a little update.

    I like the phone, but I don't love it the way that I enjoyed my Windows Phone. The iPhone experience is super polished, but there's something missing -- it's cold, like it doesn't have a soul, if that makes any sense. It just feels like a device to me unlike my Windows Phone which felt incredibly personal.

    I couldn't put my finger on it, but it not having a soul kinda nails it. There's definitely no personality to the launcher style home screen on the iPhone - other than what apps are on page one, every iPhone homescreen looks the same.

    I find myself being more and more disappointed than being impressed anymore - but I think that has a lot to do with my expectations going in.

    There are a ton of apps, but very very few that I would miss if I switched back. The one thing that is glaringly different between the two app stores is that the Windows Phone store offers a ton more free apps or apps that have free trials. There are hardly any apps that you don't have to pay for on iPhone. When I was on Windows Phone, I found that I was constantly trying out new apps (weather apps, for example). You can't do that on iPhone without plunking down a couple of bucks each time. I don't mind paying money for a good app, but I like to try it out first if I can.

    I agree, but then again I didn't actually pay for my iOS apps. I used my Bing points for the $10 gift card. lol

    The biggest thing, to me, with iPhone is the number of times you have to touch your phone to get anything done. Tap, tap, tap. Windows Phone is so much more productive with the glance screen/lock screen notifications. And when you do have to turn on the phone, if the information doesn't present itself on your live tiles, the swiping gestures and the back button are so much easier to navigate than what iPhone has going on.

    Glance and go vs constant tapping. I wouldn't be surprised if Simpsons Tapped Out was poking fun at iPhone. lol

    I guess what I've come to learn is the grass is definitely not greener on this side of the fence. Windows Phone has a great thing going and they could easily go toe to toe with iPhone if they could offer a premium handset experience. Fingers crossed for W10...
    03-19-2015 05:39 PM
  15. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    If you love apps and games, there's nothing that can touch an iPhone. When I first got mine, I was like a kid in a candy store, I've already spent a ton of money. Don't judge the 6 or 6 Plus's camera by the stock camera app, use something like the beautiful 645 Pro, it lets you shoot in different film types, has full manual controls, and saves in a lossless uncompressed format. It's pretty amazing. I'm having fun playing Xcom and Bioshock, they are simply amazing to play on a phone.
    03-19-2015 06:04 PM
  16. steve_w_7's Avatar
    If you love apps and games, there's nothing that can touch an iPhone.
    While this might be a true statement, I felt like I was way more productive with my Windows Phone than I do with my iPhone.
    03-19-2015 06:28 PM
  17. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    While this might be a true statement, I felt like I was way more productive with my Windows Phone than I do with my iPhone.
    Fair enough. You mentioned that WP has more free apps, but there are a bunch of free apps and games on the iPhone as well. It's not something Ive paid much attention to though. The iPhone caters to the non thrifty type. It's why developers make the most money there, and it's why they have the best App Store.
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    03-19-2015 06:45 PM
  18. dgr_874's Avatar
    Three weeks since switching to iPhone and I thought I'd give a little update.

    I like the phone, but I don't love it the way that I enjoyed my Windows Phone. The iPhone experience is super polished, but there's something missing -- it's cold, like it doesn't have a soul, if that makes any sense. It just feels like a device to me unlike my Windows Phone which felt incredibly personal.

    I find myself being more and more disappointed than being impressed anymore - but I think that has a lot to do with my expectations going in.

    There are a ton of apps, but very very few that I would miss if I switched back. The one thing that is glaringly different between the two app stores is that the Windows Phone store offers a ton more free apps or apps that have free trials. There are hardly any apps that you don't have to pay for on iPhone. When I was on Windows Phone, I found that I was constantly trying out new apps (weather apps, for example). You can't do that on iPhone without plunking down a couple of bucks each time. I don't mind paying money for a good app, but I like to try it out first if I can.

    The biggest thing, to me, with iPhone is the number of times you have to touch your phone to get anything done. Tap, tap, tap. Windows Phone is so much more productive with the glance screen/lock screen notifications. And when you do have to turn on the phone, if the information doesn't present itself on your live tiles, the swiping gestures and the back button are so much easier to navigate than what iPhone has going on.

    I guess what I've come to learn is the grass is definitely not greener on this side of the fence. Windows Phone has a great thing going and they could easily go toe to toe with iPhone if they could offer a premium handset experience. Fingers crossed for W10...
    Pretty spot on with my experience too. It started out great. I loved the screen. I was using apps left and right. I was enjoying the music player that worked well and had smart playlists and had star ratings. My friends and family loved that they could face time me so easily. It was nice, thin, light and all that other good stuff that Apple likes to tout. Battery life blew me away for an iPhone (I have the 6+). I used it for months while my 920 sat on the shelf waiting for updates. But it was never fun to swipe up and see all that personalized stuff on my home screen. I organized all my stuff, downloaded apps by the dozens, and got it how I wanted it and was suddenly bored beyond belief with it. It worked fine, it just seamed dead.

    So I went and bought an 1520 for ATT and carried them both for a month side-by-side (very pimpish!) to really get a comparison. It found myself reaching for the 1520 more and more to accomplish things and only used the iPhone for some tasks that I could not do on the 1520 with it. PDF attachments are much easier to handle on the iPhone with the outlook app and one drive there. One note has a few benefits too not available on WP.

    Then The Xbox music update over the last few days fixed a huge problem I had with Xbox music, streaming my own collection. I still miss my smart playlists and star ratings and a few games but I don't think I will miss it enough to pay the premium that Apple wants to charge me (and don't even get me started on the watch...). As I have no desire to own an Apple computer (PC Gaming master race here) its pretty much settled down to the windows ecosystem. And I am ok with that! It's not perfect by any means, but it is exciting to be part of something new and be different than what most people have. For the first time in a long time, I am starting to believe that Microsoft can actually pull off what they have been talking about for the past few years. And they did it by going back to being a software company, not a hardware company.

    Edit:

    I found a much easier way to download PDF attachments. If I see an email has a PDF attachment, I close the mail app, go to outlook.com in internet explorer and click on the PDF in the email there. Once I select it, it gives me the option to download it to my phone. It then places the PDF in the "downloaded" folder and I can access it with the Files app anytime I need it to. I can even upload it to whatever OneDrive file I want with the files app. This is so much easier that the previous work around that I used to use.
    Last edited by dgr_874; 03-23-2015 at 08:09 PM. Reason: New info...
    03-19-2015 07:16 PM
  19. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    The iPhone experience is super polished, but there's something missing -- it's cold, like it doesn't have a soul, if that makes any sense. It just feels like a device to me unlike my Windows Phone which felt incredibly personal.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. You notice this after extended usage of iOS. I think it's because of the app-centric nature of iOS. The thing is simply a device to run apps, nothing more. There's no way to quantify it, it's just a "feeling", as in you could pick up any random iPhone on the street and use it without skipping a beat. My HTC 8X, on the other hand, is my phone. I have my critical contacts on the main screen and can tell if my wife or daughter have sent me a text or called. It's more personal (maybe iOS can do that too, I don't know).
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    03-20-2015 01:29 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yes. This turned out to be a huge disappointment for me. Not a dealbreaker (yet), but once you are used to the WP People Hub, it's really hard not to have that information all in one place.

    I went to the Apple store today and they had no clue that the issue existed and offered no solution. I did find an app that aggregates all that info, but it's just another app and it feels tacked-on.
    I had to get an app to link all my FB contacts. That's just plain sad. Now for the kicker: for real-time updating I had to use the paid app. Now for the real swift kick in the groin area: most of the times I had to manually link the contacts. Some, not all, Androids need an app to integrate FB contacts too.
    03-23-2015 07:52 PM
  21. steve_w_7's Avatar
    I had to get an app to link all my FB contacts. That's just plain sad. Now for the kicker: for real-time updating I had to use the paid app. Now for the real swift kick in the groin area: most of the times I had to manually link the contacts. Some, not all, Androids need an app to integrate FB contacts too.
    I would be real interested to know why Windows Phone can pull this information together so seamlessly and the other two cannot. That's a huge win for Microsoft!
    03-24-2015 10:33 AM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I would be real interested to know why Windows Phone can pull this information together so seamlessly and the other two cannot. That's a huge win for Microsoft!
    Agreed. There's no excuse because Palm's Synergy was doing this in 2009.
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    03-24-2015 11:56 AM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    Agreed. There's no excuse because Palm's Synergy was doing this in 2009.
    I'm curious about this. I purposely don't sync my Facebook contacts, but every time I log in for the first time it asks to sync them (I choose no). What actually happens if you choose to sync?
    03-24-2015 12:02 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm curious about this. I purposely don't sync my Facebook contacts, but every time I log in for the first time it asks to sync them (I choose no). What actually happens if you choose to sync?
    It would help to know what device and OS version you have. It sounds like you're on Android because I've seen that message. Syncing your FB contacts simply joins that person's FB info along with their Gmail, or whatever you use, to make it easier to reach that person. Having that person's complete profile in one location makes it easier to call, text, email, tweet or whatever from one centralized location. I consider it an indispensable tool and Palm's traditional dominance in the PIM field made that possible with webOS's first release. Nobody ever did contacts and calendars better.
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    03-24-2015 12:15 PM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    It would help to know what device and OS version you have. It sounds like you're on Android because I've seen that message. Syncing your FB contacts simply joins that person's FB info along with their Gmail, or whatever you use, to make it easier to reach that person. Having that person's complete profile in one location makes it easier to call, text, email, tweet or whatever from one centralized location.
    Yes, sorry for not clarifying. I'm using Android. I'm currently using a Nexus 6 with Lollipop. I guess I'm wondering what happens if you choose to sync with the popup in Facebook. You're indicating that it doesn't actually do it. I'm asking what it actually does. Nothing?

    Please note that I am not in any way challenging or doubting. I never use the function so I have no clue how it works. I'm curious as to why the Facebook app would ask if you want to sync contacts if it can't actually do it.
    03-24-2015 02:34 PM
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