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  1. anthony hernandez12's Avatar
    I am going to buy a new device for school but to be honest I have been a apple guy. So I am deciding on buying the surface pro or the MacBook Pro 2017 versions. My question is how is the windows 10 stability and the surface pro as far as longevity? My mind is open. Thank you for any input you can provide.
    07-11-2017 07:18 AM
  2. Drael646464's Avatar
    I get stability issues in windows 10 only for one of two reasons:

    1) The driver isn't windows 10 compatible, because the hardware is quite old

    2) The software that's running is doing something it shouldn't like messing with RAM. I encounter this once when I used this strange ram caching software. You won't be doing stuff like that.

    I think if you are a mac user, and not doing any weird fringe hack-y stuff, ie using normal every day software and using hardware designed by Microsoft themselves, this very year there should be basically no stability issues ever.

    Back in the bad old days of XP etc, sometimes you'd get weird crashes for no reason. Maybe that even happened a little in early days of 10, during the "preview" phase, when it was in testing.

    But generally no I find it solid AF. If you don't intentionally mess around with the hidden background cogs and wheels, you should never really have any issues.

    Longevity I have no idea, but as I have never owned a surface device. Design is premium though, build quality seems stellar. I will say that people on here seem to have surface RTs and stuff, so they are probably built to last.

    Surface pro versus MacBook pro is an interesting split. Are you attracted to the 2 in 1 form factor, and/or pen, or is there some reason why it isn't Surface Laptop versus MacBook pro? (They are both beautiful machines and the inking and flexibility on the pro is a good feature, I'm just curious about that part).

    I'd say go into a store and have a play with your choices.

    If your familiar with apple don't focus too much on the software, as that may bias the choice (because you won't know windows as well).

    Just get a look and feel of the devices, comparatively, compare battery life, wake time, screen quality, weight and balance, trackpad, keyboard, try the pen, try the tablet in tablet mode with touch. See how they feel, purely "as pieces of engineering" and thusly "as tools".

    If you want to keep things clean and simple, and you go to a windows device, I'd advise trying to favour windows store apps over downloaded ones.

    Not that downloaded software is bad at all, the majority of paid or open sourced software is very solid, but UWP apps have some advantages for simplicity (which will probably appeal to an apple user). They tend to be more touch friendly. They auto-update, so you always have the latest version. They are sandboxed, so you can't get viruses etc from them. They run a little quicker.

    That security etc, is a familiar experience to on mac I think. The UWP platform is really microsofts way of addressing some of the issues people like mac users have had with past versions of windows.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 07-11-2017 at 08:53 AM.
    07-11-2017 08:39 AM
  3. anthony hernandez12's Avatar
    Thank you for your input. This is basically for my master's in cyber security. I haven't really had that much issues with the role out of windows 10 in the government sector beside the restraint we put on the OS for obvious reasons. The last windows OS I personally used was vista. I do like the way 10 is set up and I think that Microsoft under the new CEO has made great strides to make the OS more secure.
    07-11-2017 09:06 AM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    I still think 10 is slightly quirkier than 8.1 and 7 just by nature, but it's perfectly acceptable.

    As for the Surface Pro, it's a nice device but if you're looking for something to last a long time then you might want to look elsewhere because if anything wears out or breaks on the Pro like the battery or power button you'll need to replace the entire tablet.
    07-11-2017 11:54 AM
  5. Anthony Hernandez7's Avatar
    That is very true . Thank you very much.
    07-11-2017 12:08 PM
  6. CraigCole's Avatar
    I've had a SP4 since basically day one. Early on it was, well, let's just say less than robust. App crashes, blue screens and other failures happened with shocking regularity. At the time I was not a happy camper...

    But I'm glad to report my device is an entirely different animal today. It's rock solid, fast and I've come to love, Love, LOVE the form factor. If you ever have to work on an airplane it's just about perfect.
    07-11-2017 12:22 PM
  7. Ayrton01CZ's Avatar
    But I'm glad to report my device is an entirely different animal today. It's rock solid, fast and I've come to love, Love, LOVE the form factor. If you ever have to work on an airplane it's just about perfect.
    I've joined Surface Pro family last April and this is true. No problems with stability. That only happens on my desktop PC VERY RARELY and just like @Drael646464 says, it always has to do something with an app, that has some memory leaks.
    07-11-2017 01:29 PM
  8. Anthony Hernandez7's Avatar
    Thank you very much. I like the feedback. I am so glad that everything has been good. I guess I am just a little gun shy jumping to a new OS. But y'all are putting my anxiety to rest.
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    07-11-2017 04:09 PM
  9. Ayrton01CZ's Avatar
    Thank you very much. I like the feedback. I am so glad that everything has been good. I guess I am just a little gun shy jumping to a new OS. But y'all are putting my anxiety to rest.
    Feel free to ask any questions if (when) you're going to buy it! This great community will surely help you with anything.
    07-13-2017 03:05 AM
  10. Anthony Hernandez7's Avatar
    thank you very much for the help
    07-13-2017 07:54 PM

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