1. Deekshith K P's Avatar
    OEMs just announced 'always connected' devices, running Windows 10 on ARM with incredible battery life. Will (hopefully) the success of a new architecture of computers attract developers back to Windows Mobile Platform, thereby giving a boost to the lost smart phone strategy OR will the new functionality added to computers leave smart phones from the house of Windows less significant, or in other words, just useless??
    Leave your opinions folks!
    Neeraj Ashu likes this.
    12-06-2017 06:50 AM
  2. BajanSaint69's Avatar
    Depends on what they do with small form factors and c shell I would think
    12-06-2017 08:41 AM
  3. Joe920's Avatar
    For now the promised battery life seems amazing, but the first announced price ($600 for the ASUS ARM laptop) is too high for these to be a runaway hit. If they can sell 8" Win10S tablets for $300 and 10" Win10S tablets with keyboard cover for around $400, with free upgrade to full Win10 I think these will be a hit in the classroom at least.
    ochhanz likes this.
    12-06-2017 09:29 AM
  4. rowschank's Avatar
    I think a full Windows Mobile device (8in edge to edge screen, SD845, Full windows 10S) would be interesting to me... but it remains to be seen. There are lots of things that work better as Android apps. But it stands a much greater chance of working than windows phone, because of the desktop.
    12-06-2017 11:02 AM
  5. ochhanz's Avatar
    Besides the obvious potential for a windows pocket device (~7 inch), I think the extra battery time can be really useful for windows tablets or windows gaming tablets (/since they eat battery power faster). Or cheapy windows tablets which have crappy batteries could still be usable this way.
    The current batch doesn't appeal to me though, although the HP one is somewhat interesting with its nice 3/2 screen reso.
    12-06-2017 05:19 PM
  6. dan16's Avatar
    I think that windows 10 mobile is good now, while they are paradoxically cutting it, but definitely it was not in 2015/2016 versions which were affected by some reliability/performance issues. Whatever the reason could be (some of them certainly related to the questionable management) it did not receive good feedback after all.
    Subsequently, the only possible strategy for the future seems to be first a clear discontinuity and then to gradually attach the mobile development way more deeply to something solid and tried from the company itself: the full windows 10 professional experience. I believe this is windows on ARM, at least this is what I would do if I was a manager of theirs. And certainly if I had been, I would have managed the transition from w10m to w10s devices way more softly. There was no need to suddenly cancel EVERY lumia phone and development, disappointing all those hard-earned enthusiast people and sacrificing a substantial part of the company image. Not to mention the terrible implicit message that they gave to the developers ... We will perhaps never know what was behind this strategy mistery. I would call it the "suicide transition" :)
    fin11 and n m like this.
    12-07-2017 10:07 AM
  7. ochhanz's Avatar
    And certainly if I had been, I would have managed the transition from w10m to w10s devices way more softly. There was no need to suddenly cancel EVERY lumia phone and development, disappointing all those hard-earned enthusiast people and sacrificing a substantial part of the company image. Not to mention the terrible implicit message that they gave to the developers ... We will perhaps never know what was behind this strategy mistery. I would call it the "suicide transition" :)
    , this is also something I didn't understand, why not just release a few phones or 1 per year till they are ready for their next 'mobile'/portable product. Than again, we might lack some important behind-the-scenes info or it was just a miscalculation or such.
    12-07-2017 10:57 AM
  8. Dono Newcomb's Avatar
    I gotta tell you, anytime they nerf the operating system to a limited functionality experience I will always cringe. If I want to be annoyed by limited functionality I will I will finally go buy a android or ios device, but since I like my user control intact I will stay with Full Windows. I am starting to think I should bail on Windows for Linux exclusively since all this is just so disappointing, its hard to watch sometimes. Maybe I am misunderstanding the direction this is heading, but it looks like they are making another run at the whole RT nonsense.
    12-07-2017 11:35 AM
  9. BajanSaint69's Avatar
    Makes the courier concept more doable, also paves the way for the "not a phone" (but with phone capabilities) device to be made.
    ochhanz likes this.
    12-07-2017 12:36 PM
  10. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I gotta tell you, anytime they nerf the operating system to a limited functionality experience I will always cringe. If I want to be annoyed by limited functionality I will I will finally go buy a android or ios device, but since I like my user control intact I will stay with Full Windows. I am starting to think I should bail on Windows for Linux exclusively since all this is just so disappointing, its hard to watch sometimes. Maybe I am misunderstanding the direction this is heading, but it looks like they are making another run at the whole RT nonsense.
    There are two variations of "RT" Windows RunTime and the Windows Lite O/S - Windows RT although ARM based didnot run Win32 apps through emulation.

    Windows 10 on ARM runs Windows 32 applications through emulation and furthermore given the price point of the Asus NovaGo, you can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro from Windows 10 S for free. the HP Envy X2 will also enable you to upgrade to W10 Pro from W10S as well.

    So unlike before you can now upgrade to the full pro version of Windows 10 on a ARM SOC. That is a game changer.
    12-08-2017 06:13 AM
  11. Dono Newcomb's Avatar
    That's interesting, it actually gives an option for people to have more later. So this is principally a price point thing then? I have just gotten used to hearing about things decreasing users control and options of late. Seems like there is so little time lately to research things thoroughly, but this could merit a closer look. Thanks for the reply TechFreak.
    12-08-2017 07:31 AM
  12. 12Danny123's Avatar
    OEMs just announced 'always connected' devices, running Windows 10 on ARM with incredible battery life. Will (hopefully) the success of a new architecture of computers attract developers back to Windows Mobile Platform, thereby giving a boost to the lost smart phone strategy OR will the new functionality added to computers leave smart phones from the house of Windows less significant, or in other words, just useless??
    Leave your opinions folks!

    I think that’s what Andromeda is for, where it’s a foldable PC but can technically do phone stuff as a tiny focus.

    But I think Microsoft will focus on both Windows 10 including foldable devices acting as phones and Android smartphones with Microsoft services. It’s a choice basically.
    12-14-2017 10:42 AM
  13. kingtigre's Avatar
    For me, it's a win. But I am not ignorant to the fact that I am not the common use case scenario.

    If they just add telephony to these damn things, I'm done. My current phone will be my last. That slate already looks so appealing. All day battery, touch and pen input, photoshop, and LTE? Give me a Bluetooth headset and I'm there.

    I know that I am one of a few. But if I'm already carrying my Surface around everywhere, why would I need a phone if the Surface could take my calls?

    I'm currently using T-Mobile's DIGITS to take calls on my SP4 and so far it seems to work well. But without LTE and all day battery, I'm still limited.
    12-14-2017 10:47 AM
  14. cym11's Avatar
    Whether it is a mobile strategy or not, of course it changes the game. With Cshell, etc coming along the only thing to change would be form factor. Windows will be Windows with always on and call making features in a form agnostic product. Throw in BT keyboard/Mouse as well as a monitor and you will have a desktop (Continuum). OK, early days but how can it not happen. That said, it may take an OEM to get the ball rolling. I think the "Surface" phone would just be branding but from what I can see, all the pieces are falling into place. Imagine putting your office PC in your pocket at the end of the day...
    12-14-2017 11:16 AM
  15. Joe920's Avatar
    If a Mobile Win10 MS device is coming, Nadella's decision to tell mobile UWP developers to get lost is even more of a WTF move than it already seemed at the time. You know, with all due respect! :)
    n m likes this.
    12-14-2017 12:09 PM
  16. cym11's Avatar
    If a Mobile Win10 MS device is coming, Nadella's decision to tell mobile UWP developers to get lost is even more of a WTF move than it already seemed at the time. You know, with all due respect! :)
    @Joe920, I get where you're coming from but I think you have to just drop the "Mobile" moniker. The way I see it, it's just going to be a PC but one that works on any form factor and if you think about it, how many apps do you really use daily. I use about 5 on my Android and two of those apps have fantastic mobile sites. With PWA's about to come to the forefront, I think this is a real game changer. Obviously a little bias there too LOL!
    Joe920 likes this.
    12-14-2017 12:24 PM
  17. Joe920's Avatar
    With PWA's about to come to the forefront, I think this is a real game changer. Obviously a little bias there too LOL!
    Well I do hope the device turns out to be amazing, and I hope that the qualcomm Win PCs are going to be small and cheap so that developers have more incentive to jump back onto the UWP bandwagon. Why Nadella asked them to jump off I'll never understand.

    BTW, way back I made a thread asking people what they'd do differently with Win on ARM. The answers weren't too creative: https://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...ws-10-arm.html

    But maybe long battery life is already enough to draw new users in. We'll find out soonish!
    12-14-2017 01:00 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    ...I think this is a real game changer.
    Indeed! So was WP7, WP8, WP8.1, W10M, and the builds in between!
    cym11 and n m like this.
    12-14-2017 04:20 PM
  19. Joe920's Avatar
    ^ those trusted members sure are a cynical bunch! :D

    Despite that, I'm still excited about WOA tablets with long battery life. Bring it on!
    12-14-2017 04:52 PM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    ^ those trusted members sure are a cynical bunch! :D
    I can be trusted to be cynical!

    Seriously, I'm to the point of I'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it.
    Joe920 and n m like this.
    12-14-2017 04:55 PM
  21. LSDigital's Avatar
    From what I know, this is Windows 10 Mobile with a fancy new name because it can run Win32 apps. That long battery life is assuming we use UWP apps most of the time so, unless devs start to make true UWP apps we are almost were we are now.
    Of course I'll buy one if it fits in my pocket but then again, I already have a WM phone. I don't care a lot for Win32 apps, all I really want is to be able to run a fully featured browser just like the one I use on my PC.
    Yesterday 05:33 AM
  22. n m's Avatar
    OEMs just announced 'always connected' devices, running Windows 10 on ARM with incredible battery life. Will (hopefully) the success of a new architecture of computers attract developers back to Windows Mobile Platform, thereby giving a boost to the lost smart phone strategy OR will the new functionality added to computers leave smart phones from the house of Windows less significant, or in other words, just useless??
    Leave your opinions folks!
    No.
    Microsoft is punch drunk, too many hits to the head from Apple, Amazon, Devs, Facebook, and particularly Google.

    They've lost the plot in the consumer space, reeling from one failed disaster to the next and there's no evidence to suggest the self harm will stop anytime soon.

    They just can't see the wood for the trees, we are witnessing their fall from grace in front of our eyes. They are being relegated by their own hands to a corporate software support and second best-albeit still large-cloud company.

    I'm a long time fan, but very sadly I believe they just aren't proactive enough or smart enough anymore to make this work in their favor.
    Yesterday 07:33 AM
  23. Dono Newcomb's Avatar
    OEMs just announced 'always connected' devices, running Windows 10 on ARM with incredible battery life. Will (hopefully) the success of a new architecture of computers attract developers back to Windows Mobile Platform, thereby giving a boost to the lost smart phone strategy OR will the new functionality added to computers leave smart phones from the house of Windows less significant, or in other words, just useless??
    Leave your opinions folks!
    Okay, from my perspective and the user type that I am part of its very simple, so simple in fact that it gets overlooked.

    We are a group of individuals that have grown up with the idea that the future of Full Desktop Computers, Phones, MultiMedia (TV, Movies), Gaming, and Communications (Audio and Video) should be all in one by now. And by the advancement of technology and the capabilities of hardware there's no excuse for the lack of devices such as these in this day and age. The reason many of us have stuck with windows is because they seemed to be headed in this direction. But with the planned incremental release of technology, forcing us to continue to have multiple expensive devices is wearing on our patience, and some of us are getting up in age.

    So in a nutshell, we know what we are looking for and the first person to provide a fully functioning device running x86 applications on our portable communication devices that can be docked to a full monitor experience and retain all the communication features will get ALL OF OUR BUSINESS. Simple, yet not a part of the modern business model. Sad.
    Yesterday 10:37 AM
  24. GreyFox7's Avatar
    Depends on what you mean by mobile, in the traditional sense NO it wont change a thing.

    There might be some life in the "mobile PC" space but have you experienced what they have done with the Tablet Mode keyboard? That's one serious piece of crap and it a gigantic step backwards so there are more mountains to climb for Microsoft to find any kind of mobile life.
    theefman likes this.
    Yesterday 11:35 AM
  25. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    OEMs just announced 'always connected' devices, running Windows 10 on ARM with incredible battery life. Will (hopefully) the success of a new architecture of computers attract developers back to Windows Mobile Platform, thereby giving a boost to the lost smart phone strategy OR will the new functionality added to computers leave smart phones from the house of Windows less significant, or in other words, just useless??
    Leave your opinions folks!
    I think it depends. I don't think pure focus of windows 10 on ARM for, essentially, the revival of the pc will be the answer. It will also depend who you ask, business or consumer. More batterylife is very tempting, but if it does limit software performance, I think many will consider finding ways to hang on a bit longer on curent devices and software, as they might still satisfy needs and it would help reduce overhead costs by reducing investment in new hardware, software and services.

    With a windows 10 on ARM pc device, I am very tempted at the batterylife,with possibly adequate performance for day to day use. But the reality is that that smartphone mobile formfactor will still be something too convenient on the go use in current work and mobility workflow. I don't see windows 10 on ARM pcs completely replace the smartphone. And that, I think is its achilles heel. In my view the pc in your smartphone with windows 10 mobile and continuum is a very interesting, innovative and tempting solution for a current mobile society. One smart phone device, that when you need it can be your pc too. All you need is a monitor. I think in that regard, a 2-in-one smartphone and pc is a more potential interesting device to cater for as a solution. You also wouldn't need 2 devices, which could help diminish overhead costs of purchasing 2 sets of devices and the services that go with it. Security and privacy will come into question more, but I think business incentives to silo senstive data to the cloud and less senstive and less important personal data can be on the device itself. I think this hybrid solution will be interesting for all parties, from microsoft, to the business and ultimately the end user.

    I'm impressed with microsoft's attempt to manage a neat feat of software engeneering to virtulaize windows 10 on ARM and manage a great battery life that has been on many people's wish list. And then also (likely) reasonable perfromance. But to only focus on the pc formfactor, I think, is a bit oldfashioned. But then again microsoft has said for a long time this was going to be a long road with windows 10.
    Yesterday 05:30 PM

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