08-14-2014 06:35 AM
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  1. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I seen an interview on YouTube once that had Steve jobs t talking about the success of the iPhone. He pointed out that he never expected apps to be that big but people started using the apps more and more to do functions that could be done without the apps. Apps are now a huge party of the average consumer's mobile experience. This is undeniable.
    You're right. I definitely wouldn't deny that apps are a big deal to consumers, but it is certainly unfortunate for WP given the app gap perception. It reminds me of gluten-free foods. 10% of the people eat them for legitimate reasons, and the other 90% eat them because they are convinced it's better even if they don't know why. I'd say a similar percentage of people (10%) are actually affected by missing or substandard WP apps, while the remaining 90% are convinced that they need a million app store even though they would do just fine with Windows Phone. And of course even if only 10% of those people switched to WP, the app gap would disappear completely.
    05-13-2014 05:01 PM
  2. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    While apps may be important, Windows Phone has most of the important ones. And I love Windows Phone more than any particular app, so it's a non issue. I use to bank with BOA, now I use Chase, they both have WP apps. But if I was banking with someone who didn't have an app, I would either just use the website or just simply get a different bank that has an app. For me, WP > My Bank.
    05-13-2014 05:14 PM
  3. ohgood's Avatar
    That is one of the stupidest things I've heard this year.
    accomplishments are sometimes unintended, but their still something worth noting.



    They weren't telling the truth and it's not a conspiracy.
    what percentage of sales people do you consider might be truthful?


    It's the fact that most of these store workers are mindless drones for apple or android.
    I don't think mindless drones could transport themselves to work without some guidance, but you could likely pick them out in a crowd easily if they're all moving in synchronicity towards the same target.
    05-13-2014 06:09 PM
  4. ohgood's Avatar
    While apps may be important, Windows Phone has most of the important ones. And I love Windows Phone more than any particular app, so it's a non issue. I use to bank with BOA, now I use Chase, they both have WP apps. But if I was banking with someone who didn't have an app, I would either just use the website or just simply get a different bank that has an app. For me, WP > My Bank.
    what does the app do that their web interface lacks?
    05-13-2014 06:10 PM
  5. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    what does the app do that their web interface lacks?
    Most people like apps because they are normally designed better than your average bank's website and works better on a touch screen. But other than that, it can access your phone's abilities. Such as location to help find nearby ATM's. Or the camera, to take a photo of a check and have it deposited, I do this with the Chase app, the website cannot do this.

    And for these people that work at stores, (no offense to anyone who might work at such a place) but I view them as having the same intelligence as your average fast food worker. (no offense to fast food workers either!) But they are not exactly rocket scientists either, or anywhere near!
    05-13-2014 09:13 PM
  6. carlos12001's Avatar
    I tried once asking about Samsung ATIV S here in Indonesia
    almost every counter I asked to diverted me into Samsung Galaxy and said something like "Galaxy is better because it's Android"

    not much people know about Windows Phone
    only a select few who loves Nokia and/or those who took their time to research their next phone
    "better because it's android" that's a funny one 😂
    05-13-2014 09:59 PM
  7. ohgood's Avatar
    Most people like apps because they are normally designed better than your average bank's website and works better on a touch screen. But other than that, it can access your phone's abilities. Such as location to help find nearby ATM's. Or the camera, to take a photo of a check and have it deposited, I do this with the Chase app, the website cannot do this.

    And for these people that work at stores, (no offense to anyone who might work at such a place) but I view them as having the same intelligence as your average fast food worker. (no offense to fast food workers either!) But they are not exactly rocket scientists either, or anywhere near!
    we might all be surprised at where our own abilities might fall, if money weren't the limiting factor for secondary education.

    good thing we have money to protect us from the smarter people that don't.
    05-13-2014 10:22 PM
  8. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    we might all be surprised at where our own abilities might fall, if money weren't the limiting factor for secondary education.

    good thing we have money to protect us from the smarter people that don't.
    Education has nothing to do with intelligence. You know nothing of my abilities. And money won't buy you protection.
    05-14-2014 12:12 AM
  9. Zulfigar's Avatar
    How is all of this related to AT&T?
    05-14-2014 12:24 AM
  10. peacefulberry's Avatar
    How is all of this related to AT&T?
    The thread started out ATT, but ppl quickly realized that the ATT experience represents a global experience of how WP is perceived and its are customers treated. Feel free to share your experience. :)
    05-14-2014 01:02 AM
  11. ohgood's Avatar
    Education has nothing to do with intelligence. You know nothing of my abilities. And money won't buy you protection.
    learning more with every post.



    the ATT rep I talked with yesterday was ambivalent as to which phone was purchased, so long as there was a 2 year commitment involved. This has been the case almost every time I've shopped for phones, cases, batteries, or anything in a box store.

    I've never seen a person start swinging a purse at a salesperson either. THAT would make a trip down to the local mall-o-topia well worth it.
    05-14-2014 08:11 AM
  12. gmfeld's Avatar
    Keeping on the AT&T theme, are there going to be any new WP's offered? I haven't seen any news of new 8.1 phones coming to AT&T. I'm running a HTC 8x, but would like an upgrade path to a new 8.1 device. The Ikon on Verizon seems perfect for me, what about AT&T?
    05-14-2014 08:37 AM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    the ATT rep I talked with yesterday was ambivalent as to which phone was purchased, so long as there was a 2 year commitment involved. This has been the case almost every time I've shopped for phones, cases, batteries, or anything in a box store.
    I have to wonder; has anybody here ever said for sure that carrier store reps are paid higher commissions on certain devices such as Samsungs & iPhones? It seems to me to be an assumption, as if that's the only imaginable reason they would try to steer customers away from a Windows Phone. I guess I'd like to hear it first hand. I would think that someone here would be, or has been, a salesman at a carrier store.

    On the same token, has it been confirmed that WPs have a higher rate of return than iPhones/Androids? It seems that the WP naysayers believe this. I would think that there would be some objective data somewhere confirming or denying this.
    05-14-2014 08:37 AM
  14. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    Idk I see more iPhones for sale on eBay and CL than anything else.
    05-14-2014 08:42 AM
  15. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Most people like apps because they are normally designed better than your average bank's website and works better on a touch screen. But other than that, it can access your phone's abilities. Such as location to help find nearby ATM's. Or the camera, to take a photo of a check and have it deposited, I do this with the Chase app, the website cannot do this.
    Exactly!
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    05-14-2014 08:52 AM
  16. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I have to wonder; has anybody here ever said for sure that carrier store reps are paid higher commissions on certain devices such as Samsungs & iPhones? It seems to me to be an assumption, as if that's the only imaginable reason they would try to steer customers away from a Windows Phone. I guess I'd like to hear it first hand. I would think that someone here would be, or has been, a salesman at a carrier store.

    On the same token, has it been confirmed that WPs have a higher rate of return than iPhones/Androids? It seems that the WP naysayers believe this. I would think that there would be some objective data somewhere confirming or denying this.
    I imagine there are probably more Android and iPhones returned but there are more sold so that would make sense. I don't think there's a legit study on this but it's really about the percentage returned versus the percentage sold and this is probably where Windows phones take the hit.
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    05-14-2014 08:56 AM
  17. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Lots of returns is how they made it seem when I bought my Lumia 1520. I'm sure this reasoning had to do with AT&T not selling a whole lot of windows phones and still getting returns at high rates considering. The sales rep made it seem more like the experience just wasn't as good based off prior customers more than a personal commission.
    05-14-2014 08:58 AM
  18. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I have to wonder; has anybody here ever said for sure that carrier store reps are paid higher commissions on certain devices such as Samsungs & iPhones? It seems to me to be an assumption, as if that's the only imaginable reason they would try to steer customers away from a Windows Phone. I guess I'd like to hear it first hand. I would think that someone here would be, or has been, a salesman at a carrier store.

    On the same token, has it been confirmed that WPs have a higher rate of return than iPhones/Androids? It seems that the WP naysayers believe this. I would think that there would be some objective data somewhere confirming or denying this.
    I've had sales associates tell me before they do for your first question and was told in 3 different ATT stores,2 corporate stores the return rates are lower on WP 8 than any others.

    Mac
    05-14-2014 08:59 AM
  19. spyderzWPC's Avatar
    Honestly I left Verizon for their support of wp7 it was horrible, one phone and they would refuse to turn on features.
    05-14-2014 09:04 AM
  20. ohgood's Avatar
    I have to wonder; has anybody here ever said for sure that carrier store reps are paid higher commissions on certain devices such as Samsungs & iPhones? It seems to me to be an assumption, as if that's the only imaginable reason they would try to steer customers away from a Windows Phone. I guess I'd like to hear it first hand. I would think that someone here would be, or has been, a salesman at a carrier store.

    On the same token, has it been confirmed that WPs have a higher rate of return than iPhones/Androids? It seems that the WP naysayers believe this. I would think that there would be some objective data somewhere confirming or denying this.
    That would require both the sales and returns by manufacturer listed. I don't think the is a resource for that, but if there were it would be very interesting, just like the data for iPads and surface would be.
    05-15-2014 05:31 AM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That would require both the sales and returns by manufacturer listed. I don't think the is a resource for that, but if there were it would be very interesting, just like the data for iPads and surface would be.
    Even that data could be misleading. For example, are certain phones being returned because of a defect or because of buyer's remorse? I picked up an 8X once only to turn around and return it once I opened the box and saw that California Blue is a new shade of purple. Doesn't mean it was a bad device or bad OS, it was just fugly.
    05-21-2014 09:34 PM
  22. ohgood's Avatar
    Even that data could be misleading. For example, are certain phones being returned because of a defect or because of buyer's remorse? I picked up an 8X once only to turn around and return it once I opened the box and saw that California Blue is a new shade of purple. Doesn't mean it was a bad device or bad OS, it was just fugly.
    Of course the reported numbers could be misrepresented (a lie in other words) but it would be something to go on.
    05-22-2014 04:49 AM
  23. heickelrrx's Avatar
    That's why I prefer buying from retailer. It's unlocked and got full support. But the thing is I wonder why those carrier force people to use *****id than Windows phone. After all Windows Phone required less RAM, better battery, safer app and most of he phone design is damn cool compared to *****id phone which required higher RAM and DAMN HELL MALWARE IN THEIR STORE not mentioned some of their device somehow exploded. Seriously are those carier try to blow my hand :(

    If their talking about app. Most of their app get published in 30 min while wp required about 5 days. Their SDK also had terrible performance compared wp SDK :v .

    In conclusion I don't see any good reason to choose *****id than Windows Phone. If there any while I think it become more reason to stay on Wp
    Last edited by heickelrrx; 05-23-2014 at 03:24 AM.
    05-23-2014 03:02 AM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That's why I prefer buying from retailer. It's unlocked and got full support. But the thing is I wonder why those carrier force people to use *****id than Windows phone. After all Windows Phone required less RAM, better battery, safer app and most of he phone design is damn cool compared to *****id phone which required higher RAM and DAMN HELL MALWARE IN THEIR STORE not mentioned some of their device somehow exploded. Seriously are those carier try to blow my hand :(

    If their talking about app. Most of their app get published in 30 min while wp required about 5 days. Their SDK also had terrible performance compared wp SDK :v .

    In conclusion I don't see any good reason to choose *****id than Windows Phone. If there any while I think it become more reason to stay on Wp
    Android is not a dirty word. Really, it isn't.
    05-23-2014 01:19 PM
  25. CyclingGuyNola's Avatar
    My wife and I were watching an ATT commercial tonight (one where family is in store with a sleeping baby...) and I thought to myself just how boring ATT has gotten. Not just no love for Windows Phone 8 but no excitement for any of their products. What happened to them? I remember when WP7 came out they were extremely gung-ho. I actually bought the HTC Surround because of the awesome marketing like the commercial below:

    06-02-2014 11:14 PM
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