- Well Strava has now appeared in the connected apps, without the need for any updates. Not surprising as the connected apps goes to a web page.
Great news though for us Strava users.- Share
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gadgetrants likes this.04-23-2015 05:13 PMLike 1 - Share
- RE: calories, here's a sign that if you wish for something hard enough you might actually get it:
Microsoft Health and Band: New Cycling Partnerships, Health Insights, Strong Updates - Conversations: The Microsoft Devices blog
We are excited to announce that in the coming weeks, customers can track daily steps and calorie burn inside of the Microsoft Health app using the sensors contained in many Android Phones, iPhones and Windows Phones.* Even without a fitness tracking wearable device, customers can just download the Microsoft Health application to their phone and get stepping!
*Step tracking capabilities are supported via apps on:
- iOS: iPhone 5s and later
- Android: Android 4.4+ with support for Step Counter API
- Windows Phone: Lumia devices with Sensor Core V1+ and Cyan FW
I *do* wonder how they plan to estimate calorie burn without a Band and without a HR estimate. The only thing I can think of is that you'd have to put your finger on the camera from time to time to let the app estimate HR.
Well it's a moot point anyway for us Band owners. But you know what? What's cool about that is that I'll go off on a run (or something) and tell the Band I'm running while I won't tell the phone anything -- it'll be interesting to see how much "knowing" I'm running will cause the Band to produce a different estimate from the phone (by that, I mean how much the algorithms differ based on presumed activity). Guess I need to get me to a physiology lab to know for sure.
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bockersjv likes this.04-23-2015 05:50 PMLike 1 - I also understood that update was related to firmware too. By now, except for strava integration, I can't see anything new.
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gadgetrants likes this.04-24-2015 04:54 AMLike 1 - Share
- Nice, I didn't notice that Strava was already up there on the Connect With Apps page until it was mentioned here. Connected now. :)04-24-2015 06:48 AMLike 0
- Yeah sure, let me know what you want the thread title to be edited to and I'll do it!
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gadgetrants likes this.04-24-2015 07:48 AMLike 1 - Share
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- How cool that they listed Android Phones (with a capital P no less!) first...or hmm, maybe it's just alphabetical order.
I *do* wonder how they plan to estimate calorie burn without a Band and without a HR estimate. The only thing I can think of is that you'd have to put your finger on the camera from time to time to let the app estimate HR.
Well it's a moot point anyway for us Band owners. But you know what? What's cool about that is that I'll go off on a run (or something) and tell the Band I'm running while I won't tell the phone anything -- it'll be interesting to see how much "knowing" I'm running will cause the Band to produce a different estimate from the phone (by that, I mean how much the algorithms differ based on presumed activity). Guess I need to get me to a physiology lab to know for sure.
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gadgetrants likes this.04-24-2015 10:50 AMLike 1 - Share
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My phone's GPS is not very precise, showing a lot of zigzagging. Yesterday was actually one of the better days as it tracked 2.21 miles compared to my Band's 2.15 miles. The miCoach app estimates calories based on time and distance (and maybe pace as well). To my surprise, both the Band and the miCoach app recorded that I burned 300 calories.
The calories are not always that close, but there are formulas for various activites that are used to estimate calories burned without heart rate. It probably isn't as accurate as using a heart rate, but it could at least give the user a baseline to compare their own numbers and measure progress.- Share
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gadgetrants likes this.04-24-2015 01:47 PMLike 1 - Share
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Looks like the Health app may get some update on the 27th though.04-24-2015 04:11 PMLike 0 - Starting on April 23, Microsoft Band customers will be able to wear their device during rides and compare performance or share routes with other riders using these apps.04-24-2015 04:42 PMLike 0
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In any case, check out post #24 above for a comment on updating. AFAIK, the *only* way to update the Band is through receiving the file on your phone, which then syncs it to the Band. I couldn't find a comparable way of doing it through the MS Band Sync app.
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Daniel Heinrich likes this.04-24-2015 06:30 PMLike 1 - Share
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I'm not sure what that brings to the table, but I would expect to see MS wanting to add more devices. Their game plan is the back-end, not hardware sales. I'd think the way to win that game is to suck up any and all data that can be had. (Hey, MS, what about weight scales???)
So while this may benefit some users, I think it falls short of benefiting most users. Hence the "Pffffft."04-24-2015 08:50 PMLike 0 - You might want to check and see which way the sync goes - it appears to sync Strava to MS Health. I'm not sure as it goes the other way around. The Band had the cycling tile added previously. So I think the main thing this gives is to import data from bicycle-mounted devices into MS Health.
I'm not sure what that brings to the table, but I would expect to see MS wanting to add more devices. Their game plan is the back-end, not hardware sales. I'd think the way to win that game is to suck up any and all data that can be had. (Hey, MS, what about weight scales???)
So while this may benefit some users, I think it falls short of benefiting most users. Hence the "Pffffft."
That is obviously syncing data from the band to Strava. Strava to Health doesn't need a band to exist in the picture and makes no sense.
It brings the ability for me to replace my old Garmin with something I'm already wearing. That is exactly the benefit to this user I've been looking for. I was considering the Fitbit with GPS, but its more expensive and does have as many features (though it does have better battery life).
I'm already syncing my Fitbit Aria scale to MS Health Vault - been doing that for a while. Hopefully Health and Fitness can pick up Health Vault data. I'm really confused with the weird separation of MSN Health and Fitness, Health for the Band and Health Vault. MS needs to get all that crap in order - its a confusing mess how you're supposed to use all of this right now.04-24-2015 11:04 PMLike 0 -
I'm not sure where MSN Health and Fitness fits in. I've not played with it. In my mind it really should merge with MS Health.04-24-2015 11:26 PMLike 0 - I went on a ride yesterday and the Band synced to Strava.
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04-24-2015 11:41 PMLike 2 - Share
- "Sleep Recovery: Good sleep is the foundation of health, and something everybody does and needs. Microsoft Band tracks the length and quality of sleep. Use the Microsoft Health web dashboard to analyze sleep restoration, sleep efficiency, and wake-ups, to find out how well the body restores its resources during sleep."
Can't wait to see this in action in the web app come Monday, as at the moment the sleep data is all about comparison now this will at least bring some deeper insight.
The comparative insights for benchmarking against other users may also help with that extra bit of motivation, hopefully this will be enhanced more challenges and achievements for people trying to improve their fitness.- Share
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bockersjv likes this.04-25-2015 03:35 AMLike 1 - Share
- Graphic shows the direction of sync with various services. The Fitbit Aria scale also syncs to Myfitness Pal, so that data may be able to come to health through that account.
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gadgetrants likes this.04-25-2015 08:58 AMLike 1 - Share
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Note that this was NOT an a firmware update, it was just addition of Strata to connected apps and adding Bike rides to the data shared with them (was running only last week).04-25-2015 02:02 PMLike 0 - Already there since the launch of the dashboard.
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gadgetrants likes this.04-26-2015 04:15 AMLike 1 - Share
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