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  1. B Hammer's Avatar
    Microsoft should at least provide some dummy samples for fitment at point of sale.
    This is not Microsoft's decision with Best Buy's retail outlets. It is entirely up to the organization to provide a sample.
    11-01-2015 08:28 AM
  2. anon(8555314)'s Avatar
    Some Gen 1 Band owners had issues getting the 1 min and 2 min ending HR, and that typically went together with not getting a VO2 Max calculation. I rarely got the 1 min and 2 min readings and never got a VO2 max calc. There was a long thread on this with some saying to keep the HR tile open after the workout, and other suggesting a light cool down continuing after ending the work out. None of those ever worked for me.

    With my first bike ride commuting to work today, I got the 1 min and 2 min ending HR calc without doing anything special after the ride. So I'm hopeful this is working better with Band 2.
    11-01-2015 10:11 AM
  3. jbfoster61's Avatar
    I picked up my Band 2 on Friday at Best Buy. Best Buy only had 1 of each size. They were out of the medium and large so I had to go to the other Best Buy in town to get the medium. I printed the sizing chart and I was right in the middle of the medium so I bought the medium. When I got back to work and put it on the tightest it was still loose so after work another trip to Best Buy. Luckily they still had the small. A much better fit. I was surprised that Best Buy only had 1 of each size. I would think it would me more popular. There is 2 Best Buys and the population here is 500,000.

    I didn't have the Band 1 so I can't compare. So far I like it. I have noticed that so far 2 email notifications were missed, I heard the notification on my phone but nothing on the the Band. Keyboard worked well. I don't see my self doing long text messages but short one would be fine. I do wish the clasp was black and not silver. I wear my screen facing in so the clasp is facing up. As for the screen scratching it's my understanding it has Gorilla Glass 3. I have read that Gorilla glass 3 is pretty hard. I read that it's harder than most metals so I would think it would hold up well. I also read that sand can scratch it though.

    Jim
    11-01-2015 12:53 PM
  4. runamuck83's Avatar
    Will the Band 2 track runs on a treadmill in terms of distance? I am guessing not but I just wanted clarification.
    Yes it does.
    11-01-2015 01:01 PM
  5. runamuck83's Avatar
    Question for those that have the 2 and had the 1:

    On the 1, I got a size small but always had to wear it on the absolute loosest setting and even then it was tight. I ordered a 2 in medium.

    Should I be alright?
    11-01-2015 01:04 PM
  6. ajj3085's Avatar
    Will the Band 2 track runs on a treadmill in terms of distance? I am guessing not but I just wanted clarification.
    It does. I set my treadmill to 4.2 speed, and it recorded 3.9 miles. There were a few times i held the bar on the treadmill though, so it can't detect my step if my arm isn't swinging.
    11-01-2015 02:34 PM
  7. DroidUser42's Avatar
    Will the Band 2 track runs on a treadmill in terms of distance? I am guessing not but I just wanted clarification.
    It can - by measuring steps. Note that it calibrates your stride length by using GPS on a outside run. So I'd go for a outside run with the GPS on before using it on a treadmill.
    11-01-2015 02:37 PM
  8. anon(8555314)'s Avatar
    Question for those that have the 2 and had the 1:

    On the 1, I got a size small but always had to wear it on the absolute loosest setting and even then it was tight. I ordered a 2 in medium.

    Should I be alright?
    No, Band two fits more loosely than Gen 1. if you could barely make a small fit on the loosest setting with gen 1, a small will fit better with Band 2. With Gen 1 I had 1/3 to 1/4 room to go before it would have been too small. Now when I tighten it for exercise and HR monitoring, I have about 2/3 of the large clasp to spare before it would be too tight.
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    11-01-2015 02:38 PM
  9. runamuck83's Avatar
    No, Band two fits more loosely than Gen 1. if you could barely make a small fit on the loosest setting with gen 1, a small will fit better with Band 2. With Gen 1 I had 1/3 to 1/4 room to go before it would have been too small. Now when I tighten it for exercise and HR monitoring, I have about 2/3 of the large clasp to spare before it would be too tight.
    I'd think even if the gen2 was a bit bigger a medium should still fit on the tightest setting? Or am I dreamin?
    11-01-2015 04:34 PM
  10. dalascby's Avatar
    The Golf Function:

    I have now played two rounds with the golf function and as a regular golfer (15 handicap, 1-2 times a week) it is not performing very well. It seems very temperamental from auto changing to the next hole (pushing the buttons to advance it manually) , constant button pushing at each hole / shot to bring up the gps distances,(set up this way to save battery I guess) and the failure to record the shot each time and having to ad or subtract a stroke to keep the score on track. Too much distraction from playing the game. I know it says that some "golfers" have swing that is not consistent like the pros, (and swing count may be off) but I swing pretty darn good and play pretty well; way better than most amateurs.

    The big selling point is not really the gps... there are many simple, accurate and easy to use gps distance devices, but the round analysis it is supposed to give you. This includes distance of each shot / club, number of putts and their length etc. The problem is the "mapping" compared to the real time GPS readings while you play are way off. I will save the details on all that, but suffice it to say, this was at least 25% of the reason I own the Band 2. Band 1 which I only had for 2 weeks before I bailed out on it had similar issues in the three times I used it for golf. The other issue I had with Band 1 was the heart rate while biking (sweating three it way off compared to my chest strap device). I hope Band 2 works better for HR on bike rides or it is going back. I can use my phone for counting my steps.
    So you are saying the distances are off? I expect there to be some button pushing, I'll compare that to the button pushing that I normally do with my old SkyCaddie 3.5. The skycaddie defaults to par, if that's not my score then I have to push buttons to put in my actual score. I also have to manually select the number of putts and whether I hit the fairway or not. So I can deal with a little button interaction, can't deal with incorrect distances though, hopefully some firmware updates can improve on that if it's an issue.
    11-01-2015 05:28 PM
  11. Devan Hammack's Avatar
    Just got my band a few days ago. I'm a first time user... never tried any other fitness device other than a fitbit about 3 yrs ago. That didn't last long (washed it.. oops)

    Anyway, I am surprised how quickly it has become a "must have" item for me. Its quick, intuitive, and much more comfortable than I expected. The ability to quickly glance at text, email, time, etc.. without taking my phone out of my pocket is brilliant.

    There are issues:
    1. The Bluetooth isn't always quick to connect
    2. Not sure how accurate the heart rate is
    3. Cortana doesn't really work for me.

    Overall, love it.. but still learning how to use all its power.
    11-01-2015 09:10 PM
  12. FiveFngrsOfDef's Avatar
    Just picked two up today, one for my wife and one for me, from a MS store 3 hrs away. Loving it so far. Much more comfortable than the original.
    11-01-2015 11:29 PM
  13. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    It can - by measuring steps. Note that it calibrates your stride length by using GPS on a outside run. So I'd go for a outside run with the GPS on before using it on a treadmill.
    How accurate is it, out of interest?
    11-02-2015 03:44 AM
  14. insight3fl's Avatar
    The distances on the course seem pretty good though the one course has several holes mixed up which I noticed on the Band 1which is a data set issue not the GPS. The distance I am referring to is in the Taylor Made App and on the "overview" on the MS health app. They depict each hole on a "map" and show the shots as points with distance measurements. Those are off. ON the Taylor Made app, it is supposed to register the distance of each shot. That is off. While you can manipulate the app to correct these things, I spent an hour just trying to clean it up so the data was somewhat useful

    The band is supposed to track each and every shot as long as you "hit" a ball. It does not track practice swings as you don't impact anything. But many times I would hit my tee shot then me second shot and it would not register any shots for that hole and I had to then add them in manually . And, if it did not advance to the next hole (I usually don't look at the distance from the tee on anything other than a par 3 so you don't know it did not advance to the next hole though it is supposed to vibrate when it does) it will not count your shot on that hole or it records it from the previous hole.

    Let me know how you do. I have not given up yet and will give it a couple of more rounds. But as I said, the tracking and analysis is the selling point as there are many easier to use GPS devices.
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    11-02-2015 05:29 AM
  15. lolguy's Avatar
    Went to the MS Store on Saturday and they were unable to exchange as all inventory was being held for pre-orders, which the store will hold for 48 hours. I will call back today to see if any mediums are available to be exchanged.

    The staff explained the sizing differences between B1 and B2 - sizing ranges were extended. That makes sense considering I was between a M and L in B1.

    BTW...the Surface Book is a beautiful piece. I understand there are folks having issues but from the standpoint of form and anticipated capability, it is incredible.
    11-02-2015 08:36 AM
  16. MarineDawg's Avatar
    I picked mine up yesterday. First impression...it is more comfortable than band 1 as others stated although 1 didn't annoy me. The appearance exudes quality; real or imagined. I never really had issue with 1's appearance however with 2 it is good to look at. I almost don't want to sweat in this, but I want to test battery life with GPS during a run after work. Lastly the display, it is much sharper and has more real estate for notifications. My only gripe is the resizing, I can rock a small at the widest or medium at the tightest. I opted for med as I intend to get larger (muscle mass.) For those coming from band 1 there is much improved, those new to the platform if you have the choice between 1&2, 2 ftw.
    11-02-2015 09:10 AM
  17. dalascby's Avatar
    This is not Microsoft's decision with Best Buy's retail outlets. It is entirely up to the organization to provide a sample.
    Not exactly true. The OEM, in this case Microsoft, supplies all product and prototypes, etc.. For major OEM's like Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, etc. things like product placement in stores are negotiated, it's not necessarily all up to the retailer. Microsoft negotiated with Best Buy more than two years ago to open up "Microsoft Stores" inside of 500 Best Buy stores in America (and some additional stores in Canada), in these stores Microsoft has the say so over their product placement.
    11-02-2015 10:03 AM
  18. Memristor's Avatar
    Biggest disappointment to me is the memory capacity, it can't hold more than twelve apps, same as Band 1. I still have to juggle apps around which is very annoying. They could have at least doubled the memory to hold 24 or more apps. And the second issue is with third party apps. Most of them don't work yet with Band 2.
    11-02-2015 10:06 AM
  19. HSolo's Avatar
    The distances on the course seem pretty good though the one course has several holes mixed up which I noticed on the Band 1which is a data set issue not the GPS. The distance I am referring to is in the Taylor Made App and on the "overview" on the MS health app. They depict each hole on a "map" and show the shots as points with distance measurements. Those are off. ON the Taylor Made app, it is supposed to register the distance of each shot. That is off. While you can manipulate the app to correct these things, I spent an hour just trying to clean it up so the data was somewhat useful

    The band is supposed to track each and every shot as long as you "hit" a ball. It does not track practice swings as you don't impact anything. But many times I would hit my tee shot then me second shot and it would not register any shots for that hole and I had to then add them in manually . And, if it did not advance to the next hole (I usually don't look at the distance from the tee on anything other than a par 3 so you don't know it did not advance to the next hole though it is supposed to vibrate when it does) it will not count your shot on that hole or it records it from the previous hole.

    Let me know how you do. I have not given up yet and will give it a couple of more rounds. But as I said, the tracking and analysis is the selling point as there are many easier to use GPS devices.
    My first question would be if you wore the Band on your leading arm, inside wrist. If you look at my other posts on golf, or in the "Bugs / Defects" threads, you'll see the issues I describe. Short answer: Original Band needed to be worn on leading arm, inside wrist, in order to count strokes. Band2, even though it now asks what wrist and orientation it will be worn, doesn't seem to count strokes if worn differently to Band 1.
    With Band 1 (worn on leading wrist), the only time I generally had to alter strokes manually on the Band, was for tap-in gimmies, or dropped shots. However, I did always advance to next hole manually.
    If you are manually entering strokes, the maps of the hole WILL be off (logically).
    11-02-2015 10:27 AM
  20. Ben Sailors's Avatar
    I just got my Microsoft Band today, took off my 1, put on the 2, and seriously, WOW.

    The rigidity is virtually gone. There is a bit, but not nearly as much as there as with the one. Honestly, the emotion I felt after putting on the Band 2 was relief.

    I loved my Band 1, every day I had it, until I put on the Band 2, and man, the 1 is just a brick now. The Band 2 is much more forgiving around the wrist, allowed for move movement as well.

    I love the new feature to get the time when you raise your wrist to check it. That's awesome.

    I love the new glass curved screen and how crystal clear the screen is. I also love how smooth it feels to touch the screen and interact with it.

    Just in the couple hours I've been wearing it, I've found it to be worth every dollar of the $250 price tag. I love it. I can't wait to take it out biking.

    If you loved or liked the 1, the 2 is worth the upgrade.
    11-02-2015 10:33 AM
  21. insight3fl's Avatar
    My first question would be if you wore the Band on your leading arm, inside wrist. If you look at my other posts on golf, or in the "Bugs / Defects" threads, you'll see the issues I describe. Short answer: Original Band needed to be worn on leading arm, inside wrist, in order to count strokes. Band2, even though it now asks what wrist and orientation it will be worn, doesn't seem to count strokes if worn differently to Band 1.
    With Band 1 (worn on leading wrist), the only time I generally had to alter strokes manually on the Band, was for tap-in gimmies, or dropped shots. However, I did always advance to next hole manually.
    If you are manually entering strokes, the maps of the hole WILL be off (logically).
    Good points. Yes, on the leading hand and inside wrist. True that adding strokes will make the distance off. I will have to go back and look at the maps and see which ones I know it recorded. How many rounds have you completed with the Band 2? I appreciate your feedback. AS I said, I need to play a couple more rounds to see how I can eliminate some of the issues I have had if they are truly operator error. But in the very bright south florida sun with polarized glasses on, it is a challenge to read the display, and manipulate the app to go to the next tee box if it does not change on it's own.
    Also, tell me the sequence you use to find the distance for each shot? When I push the power button before my shot it shows three dashes (front middle back) and then I have to push the flashing arrow (action button) and it then has a pause (incremental blue line) and after about 20 seconds it shows the distance. Am I doing something wrong here?
    11-02-2015 10:38 AM
  22. HSolo's Avatar
    Good points. Yes, on the leading hand and inside wrist. True that adding strokes will make the distance off. I will have to go back and look at the maps and see which ones I know it recorded. How many rounds have you completed with the Band 2? I appreciate your feedback. AS I said, I need to play a couple more rounds to see how I can eliminate some of the issues I have had if they are truly operator error. But in the very bright south florida sun with polarized glasses on, it is a challenge to read the display, and manipulate the app to go to the next tee box if it does not change on it's own.
    Also, tell me the sequence you use to find the distance for each shot? When I push the power button before my shot it shows three dashes (front middle back) and then I have to push the flashing arrow (action button) and it then has a pause (incremental blue line) and after about 20 seconds it shows the distance. Am I doing something wrong here?
    I have about 20+ rounds on Band 1, and one on Band 2. Do you have a Windows phone? My friend seems to mess with his Band more than me on the golf course, but he has an iPhone (and messes with his SkyCaddie AND phone golf app constantly too, so it may just be him).
    I have to lift my polarized sun glasses when walking off the green, to check my shots recorded and advance it to the next hole. But I look at the yardage distance with the sunglasses on. That's my general way of using the Band 1: Let it do it's thing, then as I walk off the green, advance it to the next hole (I don't trust the auto advance.....doesn't always seem to work), and maybe add a stroke if I had a 2-inch gimmie putt.
    Checking distance: I hit the power button to bring the screen up, then hit the action button. A bar moves across the screen at the bottom, and in a few seconds the yardages are displayed. I generally use the golf app on my phone for yardages, and only use the Band to double check, or if the cart (my phone is in the cart) is far away.

    Oh, and I'm in Tampa, Florida! Great for golf.........
    11-02-2015 11:17 AM
  23. insight3fl's Avatar
    H Solo

    I am in Naples... But our cheap golf season ended on Saturday so I will be scrambling to get out the next few weeks to further test the band. Sounds like I may just need to get used to it. I used the Band 1 for two weeks and three or four rounds. Thought it worked better than Band 2, so I need a little more time to get used to the routine. And I am more interested in the shot count / analysis than the distance. I have Binoculars and a simple garmin if I need to know the distance. I will try the manual advance to the next hole as you mentioned as I leave the previous green and see how it goes. I also may not have taken the calibration swing on the first tee and may have started the round too early as I was driving a few minutes before reaching the tee.
    11-02-2015 12:29 PM
  24. DroidUser42's Avatar
    How accurate is it, out of interest?
    I've never compared it. I just know that the band need an outside run with GPS to calibrate your stride length so it can translates "steps" to "distance". Most pedometers have a place you can set it, but the Band is designed to be self-calibrating via the GPS.
    11-02-2015 01:27 PM
  25. JDasenbrock's Avatar
    It seems to me the Band 2 battery is draining much faster than Band 1. My typical routine was to charge my Band 1 in the evenings while gaming or watching TV and then go to bed with 100%. Sleep tracking barely touched the battery and then next evening when charging, I would typically be at approximately 60-70%. Now, same routine and my battery is significantly lower than 60%, probably 30-40%. I've been using the Rotate On watch mode with Band 2 whereas I used the always on Watch Mode on Band 1. I have a predominately black interface on Band 2 to get any benefit I can from the new AMOLED screen and minimal alerts. Haven't even tried a bike ride with GPS yet, but I'm worried how that will go.

    If, I'm down to a day per charge, so be it. This new band is many times more stylish and comfortable.

    Anyone else seeing similar battery performance?
    11-02-2015 01:53 PM
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