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  1. David Steadson's Avatar
    Works fine on my Lumia Icon running 10586.338.
    Just updated with todays new Heath, Band 2 and WM updates to last Fast Ring 14361 and still not working. (

    Might have to try the production ring.
    06-09-2016 01:32 PM
  2. David Steadson's Avatar
    How, exactly, does this affect us Windows users?
    Because some of us Windows users would like to use Band with Cortana, but it doesn't work properly on Windows .....
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    06-09-2016 01:34 PM
  3. stlbud's Avatar
    Cortana has never worked reliably for me on the Band 2 with the Lumia 950xl. Flagship windows phone won't work with flagship fitness band bout does work with Android... Not ok.
    As I see it, the fat lady sang, long ago. Nadella has stated Windows Mobile is not dead but I can't help but think that is strictly for those investors who think Microsoft should have an integrated mobile platform. I'm going to say it here - SATYA NADELLA IS NOT CONCERNED WITH THE DESIRES OF END USERS, LOYAL OR OTHERWISE! I firmly believe it. He wants to sell services to big corporations and grudgingly lets us play along.
    xandros9 likes this.
    06-09-2016 03:46 PM
  4. VHMP01's Avatar
    Did you had to be an alarmist, really? Here you go: MS is a software and services Company, and is tryng to go Universal, means to all plataforms! The more users you offer your services to, the more likely YoY sales drops like iPhones, iPads, and Macs won't affect you Company so much! Business as usual! Thanks.
    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    06-09-2016 03:46 PM
  5. lstar337's Avatar
    No Cortana on iOS (AFAIK), so there is still a little bit of exclusivity there.
    06-10-2016 04:26 AM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    No Cortana on iOS (AFAIK), so there is still a little bit of exclusivity there.

    Think again: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cort...mt=8&at=10l3Vy
    xandros9 likes this.
    06-10-2016 07:36 AM
  7. Jose_Vasquez's Avatar
    I have Facebook, WhatsApp, edge, outlook, word, excel, ppt, and all other sites (amazon, banks, eBay) has mobile site.. great camera, not so great music app (but work).. that's all I need. If you need some extras and its on android - IOS only, go to that platforms.
    06-10-2016 08:45 AM
  8. drunkenscholar's Avatar
    Well, for us Windows Users that don't use Windows Phone, it's kinda great.
    xandros9 likes this.
    06-10-2016 08:52 AM
  9. Kim Johnsen's Avatar
    Is locking users to one specific platform really a good thing? I am glad that Microsoft has decided to take a different approach than Apple and Google. Its so frustrating when you find some good hardware and then it turns out it wont work well (if at all) unless you use Android or iOS. In some cases the hardware does not even support Android. Sometimes only iOS.

    The way I see it; Microsoft is showing the way. Lets hope others follow. It should be all about services, not devices and platforms.
    06-10-2016 09:27 AM
  10. KelvBlue's Avatar
    Next time, when your boss ask you to wash the toilet because the cleaner is sick I think you would gladly do it? People are employed for a specific job, they work under one company but there are teams that deal with different area, in this case different platform.

    It is no suprise that Android or iOS teams can develope the apps faster because the platforms are pretty much stabilized for quite a long time already, and you are comparing them to W10M that still developing in different branches and will keep breaking the apps with each iteration.
    06-10-2016 03:09 PM
  11. mtf1380's Avatar
    Next time, when your boss ask you to wash the toilet because the cleaner is sick I think you would gladly do it? People are employed for a specific job, they work under one company but there are teams that deal with different area, in this case different platform.
    Sorry KelvBlue, I don't understand your point. As the owner of a company, before I would let a customer use a dirty toilet that I was responsible for, I would clean it myself (never gladly, but it would have to be done).

    Just because a company is on High today, doesn't mean they will be there tomorrow, and there is a very good chance they won't (just look at history). To stay on top (impossible in most every case), or, BE on top; you must plan, plan, plan..be at the right spot at the right time...and, have a great degree of luck..not to mention a lot of hard, hard work. I don't believe we **** ants are privy (pun intended) to the overall plan of any company is at this point.

    I am not an advisory of sharing...I think we would ALL benefit.
    06-10-2016 05:20 PM
  12. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Guess one thing is this: would you as MS rather have cortana on less than 100 million devices that are strictly windows (pcs, mobile, xbox etc) or would you rather have cortana available for over 500 million devices that are spread across windows, ios and android? The more people using cortana, the more data collected, the faster the rate of development, the greater the uptake in usage. And the more searches with bing done hence better revenue through search

    And if someone likes a service on ios/android so much, they might be tempted to try it out in a native (windows) environment - can this be considered a possible scenario?
    This is interesting too: Microsoft encouraging Android-to-Windows 10 app ports via Cortana notifications | Windows Central
    Laura Knotek and mtf1380 like this.
    06-11-2016 02:17 AM
  13. spinedoc's Avatar
    Interestingly enough the one feature they keep as exclusive is the one which makes lease sense as an exclusive. The Edge browser. It infuriates me to no end that I can't sync favorites from my SP4 to my android phone, and have to use crap like Chrome. Edge loses more and more ground to other browsers, you would think they would want Edge on more devices so they can push Bing and their other services, as well as keeping MS users happy.
    06-11-2016 09:58 PM
  14. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Interestingly enough the one feature they keep as exclusive is the one which makes lease sense as an exclusive. The Edge browser. It infuriates me to no end that I can't sync favorites from my SP4 to my android phone, and have to use crap like Chrome. Edge loses more and more ground to other browsers, you would think they would want Edge on more devices so they can push Bing and their other services, as well as keeping MS users happy.
    I don't think edge is losing ground as you've said. It has been either the same or slightly increasing since January this year
    06-12-2016 12:09 AM
  15. lstar337's Avatar
    And this works for the Band?
    06-14-2016 03:51 AM
  16. lstar337's Avatar
    Not in the UK by the looks of it.
    06-14-2016 03:55 AM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Exclusive features by definition excludes more customers than they benefit. Microsoft sure won't gain any significant revenue increases if they don't allow users of other platforms to access their services.

    If more users use the service, the service gets better - for everyone.
    Yea but, it cuts the advananges going to Windows Phone...

    Like I said with the problems with WIndows Phone, App selection, hardware selection (smartwatches, etc) and NO exclusive features. Why would ANYONE buy a WIndows Phone device after looking at the whole echosystem for other phones ?

    I am like others here, I want to see Windows Phone (w10m) grow and be a success but, with out any exclusives, I cant see it happening now... No matter how good the OS is...
    06-15-2016 08:25 AM
  18. Pete's Avatar
    Yea but, it cuts the advananges going to Windows Phone...
    And how much did the Windows Phone share grow over the past couple of years having exclusive access to Cortana? And how much of that growth is immediately due to people only wanting access to Cortana?

    The point is that Microsoft has learnt that having apps/services tied to Windows Phone really did nothing to encourage new sales.
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    06-15-2016 08:31 AM
  19. mtf1380's Avatar
    Why would ANYONE buy a WIndows Phone device
    For the same reason anyone, would buy anything; Quality of Product. If they can't provide this fundamental requirement, and I could get ALL the features of the Windows OS, and devices from a better quality product...I go with the quality first. What would MS net from this? I would continue using there OS, and not change that too; for that would be the sure beginning to their inevitable demise.

    I just hope that there is a butt-kicker from Microsoft around the corner, for that would really vindicate my loyalties.
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    06-15-2016 09:00 AM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar

    I just hope that there is a butt-kicker from Microsoft around the corner, for that would really vindicate my loyalties.
    Sigh, I hope so too for your sake. Knowing Microsoft history pretty well, I have seen this before. This is not good for WIndows Phone in the long term.

    I've been saying the same thing from the day of Windows Phone 7.....and waiting, waiting, waiting....and still waiting... Oh, wait, now the promised Tap to pay wont be for the older devices. Oh Gee wiz, waited and dispointed AGAIN.

    And no matter how people think it's a great thing to be across all platforms...Each other platform has their exclusive features and their voice features. This should of been a feature across Windows Phone and WIndows 10, to make it exclusive to Windows. Making an advanage to staying in the Microsoft echosystem. Did you hear ? Siri is coming to IOS (PC) so...an ADVANAGE to say with iOS. Windows Phone ? Nope, no exclusive.

    I really do want Windows Phone to succeed and have been VERY loyal to the platform from HPC 1.0 (through PDAs to Phones) but more and more, I dont see it any more...
    06-15-2016 12:12 PM
  21. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Sigh, I hope so too for your sake. Knowing Microsoft history pretty well, I have seen this before. This is not good for WIndows Phone in the long term.

    I've been saying the same thing from the day of Windows Phone 7.....and waiting, waiting, waiting....and still waiting... Oh, wait, now the promised Tap to pay wont be for the older devices. Oh Gee wiz, waited and dispointed AGAIN.

    And no matter how people think it's a great thing to be across all platforms...Each other platform has their exclusive features and their voice features. This should of been a feature across Windows Phone and WIndows 10, to make it exclusive to Windows. Making an advanage to staying in the Microsoft echosystem. Did you hear ? Siri is coming to IOS (PC) so...an ADVANAGE to say with iOS. Windows Phone ? Nope, no exclusive.

    I really do want Windows Phone to succeed and have been VERY loyal to the platform from HPC 1.0 (through PDAs to Phones) but more and more, I dont see it any more...
    I think the main exclusive feature of a windows mobile device would be that it has windows OS. That would be it. Not the apps, not the hardware, not the pricing. Just the OS itself.
    You want a close system? Go with ios.
    You want a very open system prone to malware attacks? Go with android
    However, if you want an OS that looks and feels like your pc, everything is familiar, regularly updated, then go with windows.

    Another thing that might become exclusive to windows mobile devices is continuum
    06-16-2016 01:10 AM
  22. mtf1380's Avatar
    I think the main exclusive feature of a windows mobile device would be that it has windows OS. That would be it. Not the apps, not the hardware, not the pricing. Just the OS itself.
    You want a close system? Go with ios.
    You want a very open system prone to malware attacks? Go with android
    However, if you want an OS that looks and feels like your pc, everything is familiar, regularly updated, then go with windows.
    Well said, Chintan.
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    06-16-2016 06:21 AM
  23. mtf1380's Avatar
    Sigh, I hope so too for your sake.
    DavidinCT, I feel your pain. I think we all what to feel we've backed a winner, and right now our horse is showing only "some signs" of even showing up at the mobile phone finish line, let alone in first place; but it is still very early in the race for the Windows 10 OS - which technically will be an "exclusive feature":&).

    Windows 10 is aggressive OS, with lots of great potential - but; like most things, takes time to iron out all the wrinkles.

    I know another feature I'd like to see: that is; the display in direct sunlight.
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    06-16-2016 06:52 AM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    However, if you want an OS that looks and feels like your pc, everything is familiar, regularly updated, then go with windows.
    Sure, and with low sales numbers, no promotion, No new strong apps, Microsoft almost abandoning some of their loyal fans. How long do you think they will keep doing that ?

    When it comes down to it, Microsoft is a business, a multibillion dollar GOBLAL one. They are there to do one thing, make money. After a few more years of loss of money from the mobile market, How long do you actually think they will keep losing money ?

    Giving all their exclusives away is almost like they gave up on Mobile, they are more of a holding pattern now, bug fixes on the OS mainly, pushing Universal apps, give it a few years, if app levels pick up, then promote it, if not, it's a 10 billion dollar write off.

    As I have said, I have watched Microsoft from Dos 5.0 and Windows 3.0... They have played this type of game before, their process does not work and it's just a matter of time before they say, we are getting out of the mobile device market.

    To Microsoft, a 10 billion dollar write off is a drop in the bucket and they can use the tax break...


    Another thing that might become exclusive to windows mobile devices is continuum
    Another feature that has good possibilities but, in the long run, it's hard to see it's future. The 950 and 950XL have promoted it, The 950 is on display at ever AT&T store. To add the feature (with a dock) it's not very expensive.

    Still, how are sales on it ? Any real promo on it ?

    It's got a long way to go before it's ready for a TRUE laptop replacement...
    06-16-2016 07:46 PM
  25. mtf1380's Avatar
    Giving all their exclusives away is almost like they gave up on Mobile
    OR!....maybe!... more followers of other platforms will see some of the keen features that Windows 10 has to offer; and as a result, actually make an effort to give it a try.

    FYI: I remember when Dos 2.0 was a big deal, and Commodore and Atari where the "BIG BOYS" at C.E.S ";^)

    Cheers!
    DavidinCT likes this.
    06-16-2016 08:01 PM
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