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  1. taymur's Avatar
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    we just need something like this compatible with continuum.
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    10-13-2015 02:32 AM
  2. Petru Moldovan's Avatar
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    We just need something like this compatible with Continuum.
    This is not Continuum, this is "Project my Phone" - which works even in Windows 8.1. And this and other variations of docking the phone inside a device disables its main function - to work as a phone.

    When an Snapdragon808-like phone will cost around $100 (2 years from now ?) Continuum will be a solution for poor countries.

    For now I see it rather as a better alternative than carrying a laptop if you own a 950/950XL and you need mainly mail, Office, PDF, Remote Desktop and Web browsing, at least when you are on vacation. And if you keep a dock at office and one at home you can make the phone your single PC.
    Last edited by Petru Moldovan; 10-13-2015 at 04:28 AM. Reason: mistype
    10-13-2015 04:26 AM
  3. Nuno Moz's Avatar
    Hi, Here are my disadvantages of Continuum for Phones alone as they are at the moment. Let's not drag in the LTE for free conversation as that is not Continuum, that is to sweet something. You only need to sweet something when ... well you know, when its not sweet enough.

    If you want the Lumia 950, by all means buy it. But my list of disadvantages are not concerned about how much you like Lumia's and MS. They are cold blooded like a smart doer ...

    1) At the moment the cost of enjoying continuum ascends to $800 - $900. And that is even using the crme de la crme accessories to make it work.
    2) It the least portable computing solution of the decade. At least you need to add the weight of taking the keyboard and the mouse. Not to forget you need to find a suitable TV with Miracast, Otherwise add to the bag the dock or some other accessory that allows you to connect.
    3) You can't use it everywhere like you can with a laptop. You need space to put the keyboard and the mouse, not to mention the external TV or Monitor. So forget trains, forget planes, cafs and parks, vacations?
    4) It's not a PC even though it offers a Windows 10 like experience. In other words it's lacking in apps.

    Now you may argue that you already have a Bluetooth keyboard, Bluetooth mouse and an External Monitor (With integrated Miracast) laying around that you don't use much, so all you need is to buy the flagship Microsoft smartphone and you are set. Good for you!

    For the rest, if the processing power of a Lumia 950 is enough for work, for sure the Surface 3 is enough. Buy a cheaper phone, say $200. For the same price you have a much better computing experience and more portability.

    There is only one problem. You got to have that latest and the greatest of the Microsoft smartphones in the market. But you know what? That has nothing to do with doing more, smart doers or whatever. If it did not had Continuum you probably would buy it anyway.

    For me I would buy the Lumia 950 if it worked better with a Windows 10 PC then any other,. Yet at the moment, that is not the reality. The reality is that it works with a Windows 10 PC or XBOX One just like any other smartphone if not worst. If the situation change, I might, I might,. But right now?

    There is not cost effective or feature set reason to do so. Emotional reasons? Maybe. But that is just it.
    Last edited by Nuno Moz; 10-13-2015 at 05:42 PM.
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    10-13-2015 05:30 PM
  4. grahamf's Avatar
    1) At the moment the cost of enjoying continuum ascends to $800 - $900. And that is even using the crme de la crme accessories to make it work.
    2) It the least portable computing solution of the decade. At least you need to add the weight of taking the keyboard and the mouse. Not to forget you need to find a suitable TV with Miracast, Otherwise add to the bag the dock or some other accessory that allows you to connect.
    3) You can't use it everywhere like you can with a laptop. You need space to put the keyboard and the mouse, not to mention the external TV or Monitor. So forget trains, forget planes, cafs and parks, vacations?
    1. An iPhone and MacBook cost far more than a 950 and needed accessories. Hell, even a decent Android phone and a respectable laptop will cost more
    2. You can get many configurations of keyboard and mice that can be pretty compact and portable, right down to keyboard pants. But a folding keyboard and travel mouse will suffice for most people.
    3. That can be offset by having everything you need right on your phone at all times, but I expect that at or shortly after launch there will be Laptop kits that you just plug your phone right into. Frankly I'm surprised that Microsoft didn't announce one at launch, but I suppose they were too busy with the Surface books/tablets to build one.
    10-13-2015 07:38 PM
  5. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    I tried so many times to see how does continuum actually help me be more productive while being mobile, so i tried to simulate the experience in my head, and i couldn't really see it, if there is someone here who can help see this please do.

    up until now, this is the only way i see my self using it:

    Locations where i can actually hook my mobile (assuming I'm carrying the doc all the time).

    1- Home TV. and most probably i will have to buy a new keyboard and mouse.
    2- Home office - where if i do not have a set up already, i will need to buy a screen, keyboard, and mouse.
    3- Clients HDMI Projector - where most probably there will be no mouse and keyboard laying around, and i wont be carrying those for sure.
    4- Airport - not possible
    5- anywhere with no TV/ screen - not possible

    then i came to the conclusion, if this is for "countries that mobile might be their only device". why the HELL would he invest in a $550 smartphone, and a $100 dock? not to mention the new screen, keyboard and mouse. :S :S

    for $650, he could buy a very good laptop - Surface pro 3/ Surface 3 where he can really work like a boss.

    seriously i thought this was an amazing feature, but now when i really want to buy it and use it.... i see no practical use for it...

    if anyone thinks i am being unreasnable, shout out a reply. maybe i can get my head around this.

    Microsoft are living in their own la la land....
    I definitely think you are being unreasonable so I'm shouting out a reply. First off, I don't know where you are trying to go with this. Are you suggesting that MS remove continuum and stop all development just because you can't see a use for it? How about not using it at all? Heck, you don't even need to buy the phones, but if you do, you'll know that your phone is really worth it--its got the power to run a different screen, true multitasking power like a boss, etc. Your phone can do tricks iPhone or Galaxy can't.

    Is it about the ecosystem? You wan't MS to stop continuum development because you want developers to concentrate on making phone apps and desktop apps separately? Thats very myopic thinking. The idea of an app platform that can scale up or down depending on the size of the screen is the holy grail for developers if you ask me.

    I agree that the multitasking side still needs work, but theres no reason to think that with a bit of work, we can eventually get the multitasking down to what it is on an actual desktop.

    But your most likely motivation seems to be that you're just disappointed that you have to shell out $100 for the dock. Well, tough luck.

    Nowadays though, for many people, the phone is their only computer. [I remember the outrage over some iPhones getting bricked when they tried to update it to iOS 9. The solution was to plug it to your computer and patch it through iTunes. It caused quite an uproar because it turns out, many of those affected didn't have a mac or pc, lol, but thats a different story] This phone is for people who can only own a phone to the exclusion of a laptop or a computer.

    On being productive on the go, for the employer, I think this means that an employee can just seamlessly work from the desk to being on the go. One moment you're typing out an email on the computer, then when you have to go, there is no need to make sure that your data and files are in your laptop, or if you're uploading/downloading something, it would get inerrupted, just pick up your phone and go. Seamless, just like that.

    You get home, plop on your couch and surf the web from your TV with all your Edge tabs open as you left them or watch some PerfectTUbe vids I saved for offline use using the office's wifi ;)

    None of this means that you've got to buy the dock. Thats why its optional.

    Just think of it in terms of the iPhone. Remember when that came out, it had a tiny screen that everyone had a hard time typing on, no copy paste, no apps, no video, no 3G, it was severely limited in every way. It was crap, but it captured the imagination like no other to apple and non apple fans alike. Well, I never fell for the iPhone, nevertheless, it got to where it is today because it captured the imagination, people saw it as a real computer that you can do stuff on. So here we are, its a post PC world, everything that matters is on the phone--continuum is a logical extension. That's all there is, whether you choose to extend your phone to the place where your desktop used to be depend on your needs and wants. As for me, I'm ready to have my phone replace my PC as it is. The demos did show the phone capably alt+tabbing through apps, and for me, that's pretty great. Definitely an improvement over my ipad mini.

    Regarding the price, that's definitely a bummer for the 3rd world, it isn't for them yet, so chill. But as mentioned, this will trickle down.
    10-13-2015 08:25 PM
  6. taymur's Avatar
    ...... I don't know where you are trying to go with this. Are you suggesting that MS remove continuum and stop all development just because you can't see a use for it? ......
    I am saying that i do not see a clear direction from Microsoft on the topic, Continuum is great, the implementation is not very practical.
    for the below reason.

    ....... But your most likely motivation seems to be that you're just disappointed that you have to shell out $100 for the dock. Well, tough luck.
    Nop, you are assuming something wrong.... find below reason.

    On being productive on the go, for the employer, I think this means that an employee can just seamlessly work from the desk to being on the go. One moment you're typing out an email on the computer, then when you have to go, there is no need to make sure that your data and files are in your laptop, or if you're uploading/downloading something, it would get inerrupted, just pick up your phone and go. Seamless, just like that.

    You get home, plop on your couch and surf the web from your TV with all your Edge tabs open as you left them or watch some PerfectTUbe vids I saved for offline use using the office's wifi ;)
    Great ad.... but the most annoying thing is the reason below.

    Regarding the price, that's definitely a bummer for the 3rd world, it isn't for them yet, so chill. But as mentioned, this will trickle down.
    Although i live in a "3rd world" but luckly it happens to be Qatar... and i don't think the price really matters.



    The Reason below:

    To benefit from continuum, you will need pre-setup locations, that at least has accessibility to a screen.

    and i think i can safely assume that:

    1) people at work don't have extra screens - ex. i work on my laptop, and the most of the company i work in have desktop PCs... will the company scrap their desktops for anyone to use continuum? no.

    2) people at home have TVs, amazing place to have continuum. but "at home" is not really being mobile, specially if you cant use your phone at work first place.

    3) Clients offices, yes this is actually a great place to hook continuum and present a pdf or a ppt..... and that's almost it....

    locations that have accessibility to screens are very limited. so you are not actually buying a phone here, or even a dock, you have to buy setups, at different locations.


    or just do the smart thing and buy a laptop.
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    10-14-2015 06:37 AM
  7. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    I am saying that i do not see a clear direction from Microsoft on the topic, Continuum is great, the implementation is not very practical.
    The best and most innovating things never come out if you just try to mire yourself in a sea of practicality...

    That said I still think continuum is very practical.

    The problem with your thinking is that you are trying to fit continuum into the mold of a laptop while in fact you should be thinking of it in terms of something that could power a desktop.

    In this sense, the original topic starter was more reasonable in comparing continuum to one of those stick PCs. Hence I still think you are being unreasonable.


    [/B]To benefit from continuum, you will need pre-setup locations, that at least has accessibility to a screen.

    and i think i can safely assume that:

    1) people at work don't have extra screens - ex. i work on my laptop, and the most of the company i work in have desktop PCs... will the company scrap their desktops for anyone to use continuum? no.
    Possibly yes. It doesn't have to be now, at least not until my company acquires or makes the software (read: apps) that we need to run the business.

    Perhaps you should also look to the Acer Jade Primo. They are marketing it as a business solution, so it comes with a dock, mouse and keyboard.

    I can also think of other case scenarios where it would be better to just carry around a phone rather than a laptop. College professors, lecturers, reviewers can benefit from this when they need to make use of Powerpoint presentations. Yes, they'd probably have to buy their own phones but that isn't to say that these phones aren't good enough to buy on their own

    locations that have accessibility to screens are very limited. so you are not actually buying a phone here, or even a dock, you have to buy setups, at different locations.
    I get it you are concerned about the capital outlay but I think that this outlay is very reasonable even if you are just going to use it for personal use. Alternatively, you can plan the devices you carry based on the purpose of your trip and knowledge of available infrastructure or hardware. If you need to run autoCAD or photoshop, then yes, bring your laptop, but if you are just going to present a lecture, to a place you know has a projector, just bring your phone and your dock (or if there is no miracast).

    Definitely, a person who needs a laptop should get a laptop. But you don't need all that power all the time and the decline in PC sales shows that and the number of people who use phones as their "only computer". Maybe with this phone, they can dig out that old monitor and use a computer again with this PC like experience.

    Note that for the ordinary person, a low power solution is enough, thats why chromebooks are so popular. All you ever need is the brower anyway. Perhaps for home use, this can be seen as an "Edge-book".

    Yes, you MAY need a bit of capital outlay, but that isn't unreasonable.

    Also, think of the scenario that continuum actually catches on and google and apple copy it or Windows mobile market share increases. Hmmm... A lot more places are going to get screens for public use pretty soon.

    Let me just end with a quote from a recent article on Tech Crunch:

    Microsoft now makes phones that can be PCs, tablets that can be laptops, and laptops that can be tablets. All running the same operating system. Pick your poison; they are serving it.
    10-14-2015 10:38 PM
  8. skstrials's Avatar

    I can also think of other case scenarios where it would be better to just carry around a phone rather than a laptop. College professors, lecturers, reviewers can benefit from this when they need to make use of Powerpoint presentations. Yes, they'd probably have to buy their own phones but that isn't to say that these phones aren't good enough to buy on their own

    Except, it is not "just a phone" they need. They need to carry a separate keyboard and a mouse, a miracast stick, or the continuum dock (if the monitor is not compatible with wireless sync).
    After you carry all these, you might as well just carry a tablet with a keyboard attachment.

    Besides, I am not sure which University you went to, but in most universities, they already have a desktop computer available which lecturers can use their USB stick to do their presentation.

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    10-14-2015 11:01 PM
  9. taymur's Avatar
    Except, it is not "just a phone" they need. They need to carry a separate keyboard and a mouse, a miracast stick, or the continuum dock (if the monitor is not compatible with wireless sync).
    After you carry all these, you might as well just carry a tablet with a keyboard attachment.

    Besides, I am not sure which University you went to, but in most universities, they already have a desktop computer available which lecturers can use their USB stick to do their presentation.

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    Exactly what i am trying to explain. Its a hustle.... and we currently have a solution for it...called the laptop.

    btw, wouldn't connecting you mobile to for example the university's computer work as a USB stick? and just run the ppt file from the computer?

    I was pretty excited honestly, but all this continuum suddenly felt like meh to me.

    Personally, the only way i find continuum applicable is to watch things on my TV, youtube or netflex or something. which i currently do through my PS4.

    side note: ps4 youtube app is the best youtube app you can find. for some reason it streams very fast, i am not sure if they use some sort of special tech there, but you should try it.
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    10-15-2015 03:38 AM
  10. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    Bbbb
    Except, it is not "just a phone" they need. They need to carry a separate keyboard and a mouse, a miracast stick, or the continuum dock (if the monitor is not compatible with wireless sync).
    After you carry all these, you might as well just carry a tablet with a keyboard attachment.

    Besides, I am not sure which University you went to, but in most universities, they already have a desktop computer available which lecturers can use their USB stick to do their presentation.

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    How come you don't want to acknowledge that continuum can work without a keyboard and mouse? Weight of the dock is negligible compared to a laptop. And the professors i am referring to are from the Philippines (yes, I am from a 3rd world country and continuum, is admittedly, something we can use). These professors prefer to bring their own laptops for presentations rather than stick a usb in the drive, some for security reasons, others cause they don't wanna get malware.
    10-15-2015 03:49 AM
  11. grahamf's Avatar
    you don't need the dock if the projector/tv supports MHL. You just need a cable that you can get off eBay for $1.
    10-15-2015 08:21 AM
  12. envio's Avatar
    Perhaps I could try and answer what is Microsoft's vision with Continuum, I really think some people are missing the point.

    Granted, this is just my opinion but if you think Microsoft's goal for Continuum was just to create some sort of geeky ultra laptop alternative or a glorified Windows RT replacement, I believe you should think again. The way I see it, Microsoft is peering into the mobile future, where so far, not even Apple has dared to tread and certainly not the other Android manufacturers. Microsoft is extending the traditional boundaries of what a phone ought to be and therefore what the possibilities could be. No wonder some people are struggling to get their heads around it, no-one's done it quite like this before.

    This is the first iteration of that envisioning and I think it's great. Will this replace my laptop? Erm, no, it's not meant to. Is this supposed to compete with the Intel PC stick? Erm, no, entirely different target audience and use case. Now the next question is a little harder to answer at first - is this supposed to be carried around with Bluetooth keyboard, mice, dock and quite possibly a monitor too? Hmm, well on the face of it, no because that would be the definition of a laptop, right? However, it's conceivable that someone could carry a foldable BT keyboard and a mouse and dock alongside their existing mobile arsenal of kit. Into the future though, that may become the norm for people, who knows.

    The key thing about Continuum is not so much about what it can do when compared with a traditional laptop or tablet, it's more about the power of Windows 10 behind it + the Snapdragon 808, 64-bit Hexa core. That the 950 can do these things at all and still behave like a phone, is truly remarkable. Now, start imagining what else it could do....
    10-15-2015 11:01 AM
  13. skstrials's Avatar
    Bbbb

    How come you don't want to acknowledge that continuum can work without a keyboard and mouse? Weight of the dock is negligible compared to a laptop. And the professors i am referring to are from the Philippines (yes, I am from a 3rd world country and continuum, is admittedly, something we can use). These professors prefer to bring their own laptops for presentations rather than stick a usb in the drive, some for security reasons, others cause they don't wanna get malware.
    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Continuum requires the mouse and the keyboard, as shown in the Microsoft demo.

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    10-15-2015 12:07 PM
  14. grahamf's Avatar
    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Continuum requires the mouse and the keyboard, as shown in the Microsoft demo.

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    Only if you want to use a mouse and keyboard. Otherwise you can navigate using the phone's screen as a trackpad/keyboard.
    10-15-2015 12:13 PM
  15. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    . . .The way I see it, Microsoft is peering into the mobile future, where so far, not even Apple has dared to tread and certainly not the other Android manufacturers. Microsoft is extending the traditional boundaries of what a phone ought to be and therefore what the possibilities could be. No wonder some people are struggling to get their heads around it, no-one's done it quite like this before.
    I definitely agree with this. Try as canonical may, but they're too slow.

    The key thing about Continuum is not so much about what it can do when compared with a traditional laptop or tablet, it's more about the power of Windows 10 behind it + the Snapdragon 808, 64-bit Hexa core. That the 950 can do these things at all and still behave like a phone, is truly remarkable. Now, start imagining what else it could do....
    Its also about what the universal app model can do. You can scale it to the size of the screen and to the power of the unit, and it looks like it would soon no longer matter whether your computer is running a x86 chip or ARM. It is a developer's playground. I just saw an article on the Register (yes, the anti-microsoft site) just the other day where it says that Devs are petitioning MS to create an app model that would not only work on W10, but also on OSX, iOS, Linux and Android. Looks like devs really like the idea of a universal app model. Continuum is supposed to show it off. The article is entitled "Devs ask Microsoft for real .NET universal apps: Windows, Mac, iOS, Android"
    10-16-2015 04:32 AM
  16. skstrials's Avatar
    Only if you want to use a mouse and keyboard. Otherwise you can navigate using the phone's screen as a trackpad/keyboard.
    They showed that the phone is free to be used separately while it is connected to the big screen, but I don't think you can control the big screen using the phone.

    If they did, they would have showed it during the demo.

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    10-16-2015 10:33 AM
  17. grahamf's Avatar
    They showed that the phone is free to be used separately while it is connected to the big screen, but I don't think you can control the big screen using the phone.

    If they did, they would have showed it during the demo.

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    Which demo did you watch? Even the Asus demo showed how you could pull up a trackpad-like screen to navigate the Desktop.
    10-16-2015 01:29 PM
  18. aXross's Avatar
    Which demo did you watch? Even the Asus demo showed how you could pull up a trackpad-like screen to navigate the Desktop.
    Indeed. New Jade Primo video also shows that you can use phone as a trackpad and even connect to Continuum through Miracast.

    Microsoft should've shown that during the even to at least let people know that Continuum isn't limited to wired connection.
    10-17-2015 08:25 AM
  19. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    A video of the wireless continuum demo is on page 2 of this thread. I think its post #47 or therabouts. Its the acer jade primo demo. Don't let the ladies distract you ;) .

    Regarding the acer setup though. They used an actual dock for continuum which means your phone sits upright on your desk. Honestly, i feel microsoft's solution is better, just a small box with wires as you are free to use your phone as you wish. But i've seen people saying they prefer a dock for the phone.
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    10-17-2015 10:32 PM
  20. aXross's Avatar
    Microsoft Display Adapter is nice and its indeed allows user to freely use the phone, but they have (and we) to stop calling Display Adapter a dock since its not, its a hub device. Acer is the actual dock since it sits to the device.

    I wish that Microsoft will release Wireless Charger that's has NFC to automatically trigger continuum. I think Microsoft should also release new Continuum enabled accessories like the actual dock, and Keyboard with Continuum dock. For other manufactures, it would be great to have Monitor where its base have Wireless charging with NFC to trigger Continuum.

    This is where OEMs especially Asus to consider releasing devices with Continuum under Transformer and Padfone line. They already have tech currently on their Android and they have just to release W10M equivalent device at least. They can make phone that inserts inside the tablet that also have keyboard base to make as a laptop, this is where Continuum shines and become make more sense to many people.

    It would be a really cool product and Microsoft can partner with them to advertise and promote that even Microsoft already has Surface Book, which is entirely different target market anyways. The "Transformer Fone" is for people who wants a phone that can be used as a lite ultrabook and also a tablet when needed, a true productivity pocket PC hybrid.
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    10-19-2015 01:44 AM
  21. Geodude074's Avatar
    Instead of buying a PC stick for $150 or the Continuum dock for $100, why not just buy a Windows 10 laptop for $150-$200? I think that's what most consumers would want and need. PC sticks and Continuum docks are gimmicky gadgets - nice to show off, but not really useful in the real world.
    10-27-2015 04:28 PM
  22. elindalyne's Avatar
    Weight/form factor... Even the lightest laptop is still heavier than a phone.

    Picture this: A business has several docks set up around the office. Someone is coming from offsite to do a presentation. No matter, just plug in your phone and bam.. It's right there, on site.

    People are so fixated on the now, but really Continuum is about the future. Most people don't need desktops/laptops in their day to day lives, but they need them occasionally... If they can get a phone that truly 100% replaces a PC, that's the phone people will want. In the business world, instead of issuing a phone and a laptop to an employee, you just issue a phone. Less to keep track of and potentially more control from a business perspective.

    I'm not saying things are there now, but we're definitely a glimpse of it.
    10-27-2015 06:58 PM
  23. Geodude074's Avatar
    Weight/form factor... Even the lightest laptop is still heavier than a phone.

    Picture this: A business has several docks set up around the office. Someone is coming from offsite to do a presentation. No matter, just plug in your phone and bam.. It's right there, on site.

    People are so fixated on the now, but really Continuum is about the future. Most people don't need desktops/laptops in their day to day lives, but they need them occasionally... If they can get a phone that truly 100% replaces a PC, that's the phone people will want. In the business world, instead of issuing a phone and a laptop to an employee, you just issue a phone. Less to keep track of and potentially more control from a business perspective.

    I'm not saying things are there now, but we're definitely a glimpse of it.
    No need for a dock if you already have a laptop. Laptops provide much more productivity than a phone, what business wouldn't provide a laptop/PC to their employees?

    And with your scenario, most projectors have display ports, VGA ports, or HDMI ports. Just plug it into your laptop and bam. It's right there, on site.
    10-28-2015 01:43 PM
  24. elindalyne's Avatar
    Right... so in the future, they'll only issue a phone, not a phone and a laptop.
    10-28-2015 02:26 PM
  25. Citizen X's Avatar
    Instead of buying a PC stick for $150 or the Continuum dock for $100, why not just buy a Windows 10 laptop for $150-$200?
    Add $230 to that for MS Office please.
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    10-28-2015 06:58 PM
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