04-07-2014 11:44 PM
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  1. Alain_A's Avatar
    I've just started watching the presentation held today at build. Joe stated very clearly that the entity that scans your e-mails and tracks your location is YOUR PHONE! The profile that is assembled from your information is then stored in the notebook on... again... YOUR PHONE. At least that is what I've understood from the presentation so far. That seems to respect privacy a lot more than the competition does.

    Google Now only seems similar to Cortana if you can't see past the UI. Since with Cortana, most everything seems to stay on YOU PHONE, I don't think MS went too far.
    when you say your phone sure. where this come from for cortana to know....from the cloud. so everything about you will be store on the cloud.
    04-02-2014 11:29 PM
  2. Alain_A's Avatar
    Now the question; is everything store to the cloud about you is private? or is some hacker could get access to?
    04-02-2014 11:35 PM
  3. Alain_A's Avatar
    Cortana is only good if you live in a non dead internet zone. Is that will used more data?
    04-02-2014 11:37 PM
  4. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    I think you're making just a bit too much of a blanket statement. People who are worried about what governments can access are pretty much out of luck. Anything we send over a public network is open to them. Even if governments don't have the technical means to lift such information directly off the wire, they can employ legal means to force any company to hand out whatever they want to see.

    For private companies the story is very different. I don't want private companies with a profit motive collecting any data about me. I think it's safe to assume that companies like Google aren't doing anything illegal, meaning they only have access to the data we hand over to them willingly. The data we willingly hand over to private corporations is something we can control. IMHO giving up on that aspect of privacy would be a terrible idea. There are differences.
    I 100% guarantee if you sent an email to yourself (different account) talking about going to a school to shoot it up or some plot to blow something up the feds would be kicking in your door within 24 hours.

    Sorry but IDC what platform you have if someone wants in they will get in government or not hard wired or wireless Bing or google your data, location, what you look at/do on your phone tablet computer is out there to see if you want to look hard enough by anyone.

    Facebook the one stop shop for all of your information so I wouldn't worry about some digital assistant.
    04-03-2014 12:06 AM
  5. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I 100% guarantee if you sent an email to yourself (different account) talking about going to a school to shoot it up or some plot to blow something up the feds would be kicking in your door within 24 hours.
    No they wouldn't. I've actually tested this out on every single major e-mail service myself...and even sent myself completely unencrypted easily read plain text copies of the anarchists cookbook, and even books about methamphetamine manufacture from Uncle Fester.

    I do this about once or twice a year for when people try to make these claims.

    They are far less advanced than people think, and there's far less access than people think. You can't get views and hits for stories though unless you make it sound more ominous than what it is.

    Now do I think that the NSA and such go too far in their surveillance? Yes.
    Is it as far reaching as the media makes it sound? No.
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    04-03-2014 01:29 AM
  6. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    Tell that to apple when they backdoored there system 3 days after they said they haven't been hacked or CM when there encrypted mms setup was cracked in less than a week. Reading the anarchist cookbook is a lot different then a detailed terroristic plot. Hell the guy that posted he had pieces or the space shuttle for sale, the FBI kicked in his door less then 15 minutes after he made the post. Trust me give them a good enough reason and you will be shocked just how much they can see.

    As far as the media, I watch Fox, no cool laid here.
    04-03-2014 02:17 AM
  7. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Tell that to apple when they backdoored there system 3 days after they said they haven't been hacked or CM when there encrypted mms setup was cracked in less than a week. Reading the anarchist cookbook is a lot different then a detailed terroristic plot. Hell the guy that posted he had pieces or the space shuttle for sale, the FBI kicked in his door less then 15 minutes after he made the post. Trust me give them a good enough reason and you will be shocked just how much they can see.

    As far as the media, I watch Fox, no cool laid here.
    No Kool-Aid on Fox? ...I will exit this discussion now as it has left the realm of reality entirely.

    Also I addressed your specific points about sending items, not just reading them. Don't make an argument if you cannot handle when someone refutes it with direct experience.
    04-03-2014 02:21 AM
  8. rQvsnaps's Avatar
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    Just sayin..
    04-03-2014 04:24 AM
  9. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    In the keynote Joe asked what the story was for the next Halo game and Cortana responded by saying that he probably doesn't have the correct security clearance for that information, so my guess would be yes you can.
    If you watch the 15 minute round up video on the Windowsphone blog he has a conversation with it, asks it to tell him a joke and says "I love you"

    Cortana (yes!) and Many, Many Other Great Features coming in Windows Phone 8.1
    04-03-2014 05:13 AM
  10. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    LOL I have heard of Cortana and still find the name cool.... Dayum
    Curtana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cortana is Edward the Confessor's sword, now part of the Crown Jewels.
    04-03-2014 05:20 AM
  11. lightning4499's Avatar
    Why are people continuously surprised by any of this? When you first start rcing through the phone to set it up, it asks you about "Your location"...repeatedly!! Especially when you download apps and update them. I for one am looking forward to Cortana and a lot of the new features this brings us WP users. I left WP briefly because I wanted to give Android a shot. Hated it. Glad I got a Lumia 925 and got my better camera back and am looking forward to 8.1. Apps?? How many do we really need? A few of this and that I can see, but most of the ones we have are great.. I still get people tellingme how cool my phone looks and I tell them it operates even cooler. Carry on people.
    04-03-2014 05:23 AM
  12. dermotw's Avatar
    1. People concerned with privacy can turn Cortana off.
    2. People who haven't heard of Halo and Cortana will think the name is cool.
    And 3. People who have read books will know where the name came from as well. It was the name of a sword belonging to the (legendary) Holger Danske, first written of in around 1060. Part of the European legends surrounding Charlemagne and King Arthur. I might wonder if MS knew that though... <grin> .
    04-03-2014 07:08 AM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    when you say your phone sure. where this come from for cortana to know....from the cloud. so everything about you will be store on the cloud.
    This is simply not true. Like I already said, Joe stressed that learning things about you through e-mails is done on the phone! On the phone is not in the cloud, so at least some learning processes occur entirely on your device (I'm still figuring out what is done where), meaning you aren't forced to hand over everything to your OS service providers for Cortana to work decently. This part I am sure about.

    Surely some things will come from the cloud, like anything on facebook, but obviously you would have had to make that public in the first place, so I think stuff like that is irrelevant.

    Now the question; is everything store to the cloud about you is private? or is some hacker could get access to?
    The answer is obviously: "of course". However, I don't think that is the biggest problem. Far more worrying is what the companies who collect that data do with it. These companies have a lot of incentives to maximize the profits off that information, and nothing but their own moral judgement stands in the way of doing so. Companies are usually much better at making money than making moral judgements.
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    04-03-2014 07:12 AM
  14. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    And 3. People who have read books will know where the name came from as well. It was the name of a sword belonging to the (legendary) Holger Danske, first written of in around 1060. Part of the European legends surrounding Charlemagne and King Arthur. I might wonder if MS knew that though... <grin> .
    Yes, that was the reason the name was chosen for the character in the original Halo game. :)
    04-03-2014 07:24 AM
  15. narv's Avatar
    Side note... If you Bing translate Cortana it comes up with "Creating".. but google translate says nothing :(
    04-03-2014 07:32 AM
  16. chrisevans937's Avatar
    Cortana seems cool. Really making programs that are smart and will learn you. I don't have a problem with that. Seems like it will make searching a bit better because cortana knows what u like
    04-03-2014 07:51 AM
  17. radmanvr's Avatar
    Down here in Texas we would love for one of them government fellers to try and trespass on our property. That Mossberg 500.
    04-03-2014 07:54 AM
  18. radmanvr's Avatar
    Cortana seems cool. Really making programs that are smart and will learn you. I don't have a problem with that. Seems like it will make searching a bit better because cortana knows what u like
    The only problem I see with this is well I watch a lot of adult content stuff and If someone wanted to borrow my phone to search for lets say idk lets say apples and a naked girl appears with an apple in her mouth hogged tied.

    Would be kind of embarrassing. I guess I will keep my phone to myself after 8.1
    04-03-2014 07:56 AM
  19. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Down here in Texas we would love for one of them government fellers to try and trespass on our property. That Mossberg 500.
    Great way to bring politics into the topic /s

    Personally with how Texans act I would be fine with Texas being declared a separate country. We could have avoided 2 Bush presidencies.
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    04-03-2014 07:56 AM
  20. borasar's Avatar
    Cortana reminds me of some scary cyborg from a sci-fi show. It learns what you do, where you go, who you are, who and what you know, something that no piece of technology should ever know about you (No, I do not use Facebook).

    I'm going to get my WP 8.1, turn off the location services,turn off all of the Cortana tracking features (Hopefully this can be done), and enjoy 8.1. I hate to disable the best feature WP 8.1 has, but I value my privacy over a nice-looking app that talks.

    The last thing I want MS to do is send my location data, people I know, etc to the government...

    By the way, thanks for crashing my profits, MS... (Signature). I guess i'll have to work on a Cortana exploit to make up the loss.
    if you think the government doesn't have you location when they need to have it, regardless of whether you use cortana or location services, you are greatly mistaken.
    regarding privacy, to each their own, i'm sure you'll find other things to enjoy on the OS aside from Cortana
    04-03-2014 08:27 AM
  21. hs k's Avatar
    Morpheus seems on a roll. Ahahaha. Dude you need to chill, your bp must be hitting planes up there.
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    04-03-2014 08:30 AM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    Sorry but IDC what platform you have if someone wants in they will get in government or not hard wired or wireless Bing or google your data, location, what you look at/do on your phone tablet computer is out there to see if you want to look hard enough by anyone.
    Okay. We both agree that no data is safe from government. I think we can take this issue off the table, as it was never disputed. We can site examples all day long about how the NSA gets access to anything. However, it's incorrect to infer from this that anybody can get at any data they want, and we therefore might as well not care about security or privacy at all. There are huge differences between what government agencies and private companies can (or figure themselves legally allowed to) do.

    Government and illegal access to data (NSA, malware, etc) are important issues. Even more important is what is done with the data that is obtained. Ultimately, I'm far more concerned about shady monetization practices, based on data that private companies collected through legal means. These are the things the Facebooks and Googles of the world are heavily incentivised to do, and eventually will do, should their fortunes ever change. It's just a question of "when", not "if". No company is perfect, but just the fact that some business models are based on the notion of "no privacy" should make it obvious that there will be differences. These are already glaringly obvious today, which is why I think we as consumers do have meaningful choices to make if we care about security and privacy. Not black and white choices, but which shade of grey we prefer.
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    04-03-2014 08:32 AM
  23. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Morpheus seems on a roll. Ahahaha. Dude you need to chill, your bp must be hitting planes up there.
    Nope. I'm perfectly calm :)

    It is always interesting when people assume things like that from text though. ;)
    04-03-2014 08:32 AM
  24. borasar's Avatar
    They tried to ignore the personal assistant trend often dismissing it just to have to eat their words and be forced to implement one. I don't blame them, users want this sort of stuff even if privacy advocates don't like it. Ultimately their assistant seems rather crippled compared to google now. But I'll be giving it a try for sure when the preview is out. The nice thing about google now is how it predicts your needs before you have them. cortana doesn't do this (or at least they didn't show it). I suspect it isn't a matter of policy, but lack of engineering resources and time from MSFT. if you think it is creepy now, wait until they continue copying google now.
    There you go again, you've spent zero time with this feature, yet you have an absolutely negative outlook on it based on a brief video presentation.
    04-03-2014 08:33 AM
  25. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    There you go again, you've spent zero time with this feature, yet you have an absolutely negative outlook on it based on a brief video presentation.
    Not to mention that there are some rather odd fictional things in his post as regards the MS attitude towards personal assistants...considering MS has built such features into their software products in the past.

    Seems to be a common occurrence from what I see in their post history.
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    04-03-2014 08:35 AM
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