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  1. Seranova's Avatar
    I understand the disappointment and frustration, and I am not going to tell people they shouldn't feel that way.

    However, it does make sense that Cortana is tested out to a smaller market first before rolling it out elsewhere. Throwing the racism card out is also tacky and baseless.

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    04-03-2014 01:36 AM
  2. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    No, it is not racist. I expect that Cortana will be available in many countries and in many languages eventually. The US users will essentially be the beta testers to work out the bugs.

    Siri for iOS was not available worldwide either upon launch.
    Indeed, but for some reason it just seems fashionable to still throw shade at MS instead of realizing that a lot of companies roll-out things in their home regions first.

    I've never seen someone call Sony racist when they rollout some region specific updates in Japan for users there...
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    04-03-2014 01:44 AM
  3. bashbaliga's Avatar
    I don't think its racist, But really sad that MS doesn't give a **** about the rest of the world, And their excuse is hilarious, We will never see cortana for a long long time.

    Proof ? Local scout, Audio recognition, Podcasts for ****s sake are still not available.
    04-03-2014 01:47 AM
  4. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I don't think its racist, But really sad that MS doesn't give a **** about the rest of the world, And their excuse is hilarious, We will never see cortana for a long long time.

    Proof ? Local scout, Audio recognition, Podcasts for ****s sake are still not available.
    Then please feel free to buy a product from another platform that better suits your needs. None of us will ever force you to buy something you don't want. :)

    Here's what folks don't seem to understand. It wouldn't be in the best interests of MS to make customers angry. I mean seriously what company would set out to drive customers away?

    That makes no sense whatsoever, and is not indicative of how I, nor anyone else I've met in my years with MS, feel about our customers.
    04-03-2014 01:49 AM
  5. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    Eh, it's all about choosing your compromise tbh. Do you release early in the US and branch out from there, or do you keep everyone waiting - perhaps until its too late - for it to be available worldwide?

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    Then please feel free to buy a product from another platform that better suits your needs.
    Many people will, I assure you.
    04-03-2014 01:50 AM
  6. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Eh, it's all about choosing your compromise tbh. Do you release early in the US and branch out from there, or do you keep everyone waiting - perhaps until its too late - for it to be available worldwide?

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
    Bingo, you have the trade-off of waiting longer to roll-out a global launch, or you launch at home first and branch out. Tons of companies operate this way, and it has nothing to do with hating customers or racism.

    Many people will, I assure you.
    That's totally fine with me. :)
    04-03-2014 01:52 AM
  7. bashbaliga's Avatar
    Then please feel free to buy a product from another platform that better suits your needs. None of us will ever force you to buy something you don't want. :)

    Here's what folks don't seem to understand. It wouldn't be in the best interests of MS to make customers angry. I mean seriously what company would set out to drive customers away?

    That makes no sense whatsoever, and is not indicative of how I, nor anyone else I've met in my years with MS, feel about our customers.
    See, This is not the attitude a global company should be having if they even plan to dominate world market share, Delaying services for 2-3 years is not professional for a company of Microsoft's calibre, we are talking about the worlds largest software company.

    And when Sony does it, It's 2-3 months delay, when MS does it, Its 2-3 years. :|
    04-03-2014 02:15 AM
  8. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    See, This is not the attitude a global company should be having if they even plan to dominate world market share, Delaying services for 2-3 years is not professional for a company of Microsoft's calibre, we are talking about the worlds largest software company.

    And when Sony does it, It's 2-3 months delay, when MS does it, Its 2-3 years. :|
    Ok fine. Post a source that proves that Cortana will be delayed by 2-3 years or admit that you're just assuming that with no factual basis. :)

    Those are the only 2 options that exist, either you have a source or you're making up a story to make yourself feel better.

    Also I want evidence of these 2-3 year delays. I can provide plenty of evidence to the contrary. The facts are on my side here. :)
    04-03-2014 02:17 AM
  9. bashbaliga's Avatar
    Ok fine. Post a source that proves that Cortana will be delayed by 2-3 years or admit that you're just assuming that with no factual basis. :)

    Those are the only 2 options that exist, either you have a source or you're making up a story to make yourself feel better.

    Also I want evidence of these 2-3 year delays. I can provide plenty of evidence to the contrary. The facts are on my side here. :)
    MAN, you seem to be on a roll here, Things that come to my mind are local scout, podcasts & audio recognition.

    PS: I don't hate you, Just having a healthy debate.
    04-03-2014 02:31 AM
  10. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    We are all aware on those specific examples. I'm asking for proof about a 2-3 year wait on Cortana.
    04-03-2014 02:34 AM
  11. derDaniel's Avatar
    Is it possible to turn your location to US an use cortana on your phone?
    I am having it kinda that way on my Lumia 920 right now.

    PS. What I don't really care about is that it will be rolled out later, though I know that voice commending as comlex as cortana can't be implemented like once an then it works forever. It needs training like a real sportsman.
    What I am really concerned about is that Bing is not that good here in Germany. I would really like to know some facts about how Bing is going to improve in Germany in comparison to Google.
    I tried to "switch" several times, but it is just not possible here in Germany yet.
    Last edited by derDaniel; 04-03-2014 at 02:55 AM.
    04-03-2014 02:42 AM
  12. rubenwidjaja's Avatar
    I doubt all country can use cortana since Local scout, Audio recognition and some bing feature still not available for a long time ago.

    I call it rasist because some bing feature not related with "language" still not availabe, such as, I can't do feature like 5+7 in my bing(in my country set) or like do money currency where other search engine never do it from the first time.
    You guys must be blame us because you don't know and don't feel it.
    At least we can try it with "beta" label on it or with information "this might be not perform perfectly in your country or other language" or something like that, better than not give it a try at all.

    Don't assume I hate MS or Bing. I love them, I use it everyday but I hate differentiation.
    04-03-2014 03:01 AM
  13. prasath1234's Avatar
    Eh, it's all about choosing your compromise tbh. Do you release early in the US and branch out from there, or do you keep everyone waiting - perhaps until its too late - for it to be available worldwide?

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.



    Many people will, I assure you.
    Nobody cares for cortana it's just a gimmick like Motorola x voice feature.

    Sent from my C2305 using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    04-03-2014 03:08 AM
  14. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Nobody cares for cortana it's just a gimmick like Motorola x voice feature.

    Sent from my C2305 using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    Indeed. So many people don't care about it that the Cortana section here on the WPCentral forums has 0 posts...

    ;)
    04-03-2014 03:21 AM
  15. rculver9056's Avatar
    Then please feel free to buy a product from another platform that better suits your needs. None of us will ever force you to buy something you don't want. :)

    Here's what folks don't seem to understand. It wouldn't be in the best interests of MS to make customers angry. I mean seriously what company would set out to drive customers away?

    That makes no sense whatsoever, and is not indicative of how I, nor anyone else I've met in my years with MS, feel about our customers.
    That's a bit harsh.
    I can understand about the beta test stuff (annoying as it is lol), but Microsoft do favour the U.S.
    Bing rewards, offers available in U.S. only, Microsoft Store deals, again U.S. only.

    I am a huge Microsoft fan, but I too find this stuff frustrating.
    04-03-2014 04:23 AM
  16. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    It's not harsh. It's honest. Why should anyone feel forced to buy something they don't want?

    I know I don't. To me it is common sense that if someone doesn't like what they see in a product or like how a company operates that they would probably be best served looking elsewhere.

    I'm confused why honesty is such a dirty thing these days. Would you prefer I lie to people?

    Do you also shout at Sony for their exclusive contests and releases in Japan as well? Do you also get angry with Samsung if they hold a contest that is local to Korea?

    Do you get angry when the BBC doesn't offer content to users on their website even though they have channels in other countries as well?
    04-03-2014 04:26 AM
  17. rculver9056's Avatar
    It's not harsh. It's honest. Why should anyone feel forced to buy something they don't want?

    I know I don't. To me it is common sense that if someone doesn't like what they see in a product or like how a company operates that they would probably be best served looking elsewhere.

    I'm confused why honesty is such a dirty thing these days. Would you prefer I lie to people?
    Saying they don't like a product, or venting frustration at having to wait (again) if you are outside of the USA...?
    And the example of having to wait for a long time isn't that extreme either - how long has the USA had Bing rewards and all this other stuff?
    And the comment about Bing not being a lot of cop outside of the USA isn't that far-fetched either.
    Many of the commenters are saying that this is a global company, but doesn't feel like it sometimes.
    04-03-2014 04:35 AM
  18. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    So again how often do you see hate aimed at the BBC for not allowing iPlayer to be used outside of the UK even those who subscribe to things like BBC America?

    How often do you see hate aimed at Sony or Samsung for region specific contests and features?

    The answer is that you don't. Why? Because it's a BS double-standard and hopping on the MS hate train is fashionable.

    I'm done here since further discussion will obviously not be productive in the presence of that double-standard.
    04-03-2014 04:40 AM
  19. rculver9056's Avatar
    Double standard?! lol
    I said in my first post that I am a huge Microsoft fan. I love the company and loads of their stuff.

    Perhaps it is simply a case of taking stuff for granted. I am in the U.K. and I don't really give alot of thought to the iPlayer outside of the U.K.
    04-03-2014 05:10 AM
  20. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Double standard?! lol
    I said in my first post that I am a huge Microsoft fan. I love the company and loads of their stuff.

    Perhaps it is simply a case of taking stuff for granted. I am in the U.K. and I don't really give alot of thought to the iPlayer outside of the U.K.
    I didn't say you had one. I said it is a double-standard in general for people to be mad at MS for things that are common practice amongst most corporations that they don't get angry about when it is not MS.

    For instance I was a BBC America subscriber, yet I was not allowed to access BBC content on the site.

    Companies offer local features and contests all the time. Restaurant franchises do as well, or even large grocery chains.

    Small scale example. I have 3 locations for a US grocer named Safeway within walking distance of my apartment. They each have items that the other 2 do not carry. So sometimes I have to shop at one location as opposed to another. Do I get angry? No.

    I have two locations for a restaurant chain called Taco Time within a 1-mile radius of my apartment. Do I curse them for having different prices and one of them having a Coca-Cola Freetime machine that let's me customize my soda of choice with hundreds of possible flavor combinations? No.

    See what I'm getting at? Companies of all scales have features/products that will launch in some places, but not others. I can't get the same items that I can get in England or Japan at a McDonald's in the US as much as I would like to.

    I don't get angry and accuse them of racism as has happened in this thread. I don't say that it is obvious that they are giving their customers the bird. I don't assume malice or incompetence.

    That's what I'm talking about here. Hate aimed at MS that is never (or almost never) aimed at others. It is a double-standard no matter how you look at it.
    04-03-2014 05:23 AM
  21. rculver9056's Avatar
    Ok lol.
    Just for the record, I DO hate Apple with a passion :P
    04-03-2014 05:27 AM
  22. Sonsebelhamasun's Avatar
    I've seen many people complaining about the start of mmorpgs. When it starts a week earlier in Europe than the USA, or the other way round. At least they say when it will start in the other region.

    I don't hate Microsoft. I love my WP. But I am missing so many features of it. Everytime I see a video with a WP from the USA I think how cool it would be to have those features. And they have been available in the US for a long time.
    For me, many of those people are shouting: "Hey Microsoft, wake up. Don't forget the rest of the world."
    Of course, there are always people going to far. As Microsoft didn't say anything, I don't know if I will ever get those features in my country. And that's sad.

    It's like, you bought a new car, 2 months ago, and now there is a software update that this car can fly. Like in those sci-fi movies. But only in Europe. USA, what's that?
    And you're answer sounds like: You don't like your car? Don't buy it (wait? you already bought it...). If you want something that flies, go buy a helicopter...
    It's like you're not interested what people want, because you have it, so you close your eyes.

    USA first. Ok, no problem. It is a beta, as they said. But please don't forget other big markets.
    04-03-2014 05:35 AM
  23. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I don't. I don't use their products because they don't fit my needs, but my fiancee used to have a MacBook until it started to die on her after several years of use. It was replaced with a PC, but only because that's what she asked for. She still has an iPod in addition to her Lumia and I've had various android based devices here because they were the right device for what I needed.

    That's why I say I wasn't being harsh earlier, just honest. I don't want anyone using a device that doesn't suit their needs. If they have the need for some reason to feel robbed and angry then in all honesty they should move on to a different device that more fully suits their needs. Why spend life angry and lobbing hate grenades at a company when you yourself can just choose to use something else?

    Make sense? :)
    04-03-2014 05:36 AM
  24. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
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    I would say that you are partially correct, but not entirely.

    Let's say I bought that car and another region got an upgrade to let it fly, but the US model didn't. I would question why and determine the reason why we didn't get it. Perhaps the FAA said no to allowing the model to fly in the US due to air traffic regulations, perhaps not.

    I have bought a few things in my life that didn't suit my needs as I had thought they would. I didn't call the company or its employees racist, nor assumed malice or incompetence. I merely waited until I could procure a device that better suited my needs.

    I guess my priorities are different from a ton of people evidently. I have things in my life far more important going on than to randomly accuse corporations of things that would be against their own best interests.
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    04-03-2014 05:45 AM
  25. Juha A's Avatar
    OK, let's try another simple example about MS US only policy.

    Please give me an explanation why MS won't allow me to use voice speed dialing in Finland even when I am using my phone in English? I can use voice dialing by saying "call 'Name'", but not by saying "call speed dial one", so the reason cannot be that my English pronunciation is not accepted. I simply cannot think of any reason why the so-called advanced speech commands are not available for me.

    Another good example is the already mentioned bing calculator.

    Can you give some justification for these?
    04-03-2014 06:07 AM
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