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  1. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Wrong. I have a coworker who is a British citizen. Her phone has to be on UK in order to understand her. Her phone does not understand her daughter, who has spent her entire life here in the US, and therefore does not have the UK accent. Her daughter's phone is on US to understand her. Neither of them can speak to the other's phone. Both are using iPhones.

    Even when English is the language in use, regional dialects do matter when it comes to voice recognition.
    Indeed localization work can be tricky for regional dialects. That is another reason especially with voice work MS usually does localization work here first.

    We have all kinds of dialects and even languages in different parts of the country. As a melting pot it's easier to do all the hard work of seeing if vocal recognition works here first and then fine tune it elsewhere later. :)
    04-03-2014 10:28 AM
  2. hopmedic's Avatar
    Indeed localization work can be tricky for regional dialects. That is another reason especially with voice work MS usually does localization work here first.

    We have all kinds of dialects and even languages in different parts of the country. As a melting pot it's easier to do all the hard work of seeing if vocal recognition works here first and then fine tune it elsewhere later. :)
    Don't I know it. I'm a Midwesterner (Northern Indiana) married to a Georgian! I continually tell my wife that I come from the part of the country with no accent! I mean, when she uses expressions like, "What in the cathair is that?" How's a phone supposed to deal with that???
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    04-03-2014 10:30 AM
  3. borasar's Avatar
    I've only been to Canada once, and that was a stop in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on the way home from the Arctic Circle. My impression: IT'S WAY TOO COLD! LOL
    that's why we have big warm hearts ;P
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    04-03-2014 10:33 AM
  4. borasar's Avatar
    Don't I know it. I'm a Midwesterner (Northern Indiana) married to a Georgian! I continually tell my wife that I come from the part of the country with no accent! I mean, when she uses expressions like, "What in the cathair is that?" How's a phone supposed to deal with that???
    looking up items most likely stuck in cat hair, will respond in Yoda speak
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    04-03-2014 10:35 AM
  5. Dantekai14's Avatar
    Say what you want. The awesome thing is that reality doesn't require you to agree with it for it to exist. ;)
    What is Awesome?
    Cortana just for USA is Awesome for you but not for me.
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    04-03-2014 10:36 AM
  6. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    that's why we have big warm hearts ;P
    Which is why I wish my home state was part of Canada. It may be a clich but my general experience is that Canadians are mostly friendly. I tend to like Canadians more than American's and usually Canadians like me. :)
    04-03-2014 10:37 AM
  7. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    What is Awesome?
    Cortana just for USA is Awesome for you but not for me.
    I believe I was perfectly clear. I said that it is awesome that reality doesn't require that you agree with it for it to exist.
    In other words your view isn't how things really are and you believing them to be so doesn't change the reality, and the fact that reality doesn't bend due to perceptions is awesome. :)
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    04-03-2014 10:39 AM
  8. Sonsebelhamasun's Avatar
    As regards the BBC statement. I understand how licensing works for television in the UK. I also know that they could create a simple verification system similar to HBO Go or Hulu or various other channels that offer online access where they could have me sign-in via my television providers credentials to verify that I am a BBC America subscriber if they really wanted to.
    I think it would more feel like: They made it for the (English speaking) subscribers of "BBC Northpole" but not for the US. Why? Nobody knows...

    I don't say that it is easy, as there are laws Microsoft needs to observe (like with the FAA mentioned before). But this is how it sometimes FEELS like... It already exists but is limited to the US.

    Calling Microsoft Racist for that is just ... -.-

    Have a nice day =)
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    04-03-2014 10:40 AM
  9. d_abbatelli's Avatar
    To me, the point is not whether or not MS cares about non-US market. Of course they do.
    The problem is that they are REALLY BAD at managing a global market, especially when compared to the competitors.

    Cortana is only the last of a long series of Microsoft US-only features.
    Heck, how did we hope to receive Cortana together with the US, when they can't even manage to have a worldwide launch for the stupid Bing calculator?

    The consequence of this incapacity are evident: what is the share of Bing in Europe? Does it reach 2%?
    If the thing doesn't show up quite as much on the european Windows Phone sales, it is just thanks to Nokia, but it sure is something that MS has to solve, and fast.
    04-03-2014 10:46 AM
  10. KrisJoeEll's Avatar
    I believe I was perfectly clear. I said that it is awesome that reality doesn't require that you agree with it for it to exist.
    In other words your view isn't how things really are and you believing them to be so doesn't change the reality, and the fact that reality doesn't bend due to perceptions is awesome. :)
    Hey Morpheus Phreak, I agree with most of your comments here, but you have to understand many of us non Americans are disappointed in the case of Cortana. So instead of condescending them, try to see things from their perspective.
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    04-03-2014 10:46 AM
  11. Dantekai14's Avatar
    I believe I was perfectly clear. I said that it is awesome that reality doesn't require that you agree with it for it to exist.
    In other words your view isn't how things really are and you believing them to be so doesn't change the reality, and the fact that reality doesn't bend due to perceptions is awesome. :)
    I still don't understand what you are calling Awesome?

    I think you are confused between the word "awesome" with "disappointing".

    If you don't mind can I ask which country you are from?
    and why you are so happy with that the Cortana is just for USA only?
    04-03-2014 10:51 AM
  12. borasar's Avatar
    I still don't understand what you are calling Awesome?

    I think you are confused between the word "awesome" with "disappointing".

    If you don't mind can I ask which country you are from?
    and why you are so happy with that the Cortana is just for USA only?
    I think you're completely misunderstanding him, and to such an extent that makes me wonder if you're doing this intentionally just to continue arguing.
    It's perfectly clear why and in what context he used the word awesome and it had nothing to do with the fact that Cortana is US only for the time being. Also none of his posts suggest that his is happy with Cortana being US only, he was just trying to explain the reason behind the decision to do so.
    Move on!
    04-03-2014 10:54 AM
  13. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Hey Morpheus Phreak, I agree with most of your comments here, but you have to understand many of us non Americans are disappointed in the case of Cortana. So instead of condescending them, try to see things from their perspective.
    I cannot see the side of those who accuse my friends and coworkers of being racist or of not giving a s**t about the world when I know how hard they work their asses off day in and say out. The nights they don't go home and nap on futons to make sure things are done when they could be spending time with their families.

    I'm one of those people. So they are by extension telling me that I'm a racist and that I don't care. They will not earn my kindness or respect that way.

    They will however always get my total honesty regardless of how little they may like it.
    04-03-2014 10:55 AM
  14. hopmedic's Avatar
    I still don't understand what you are calling Awesome?

    I think you are confused between the word "awesome" with "disappointing".

    If you don't mind can I ask which country you are from?
    and why you are so happy with that the Cortana is just for USA only?
    1. He didn't say that he was happy that Cortana was US only. It seems to me that he just accepted the fact that it is.
    2. As he explained, what he was saying was awesome was the fact that what a person believes doesn't change reality. It has nothing to do with Cortana, BUILD, or anything else Microsoft.
    04-03-2014 10:55 AM
  15. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I think you're completely misunderstanding him, and to such an extent that makes me wonder if you're doing this intentionally just to continue arguing.
    It's perfectly clear why and in what context he used the word awesome and it had nothing to do with the fact that Cortana is US only for the time being. Also none of his posts suggest that his is happy with Cortana being US only, he was just trying to explain the reason behind the decision to do so.
    Move on!
    It has to be intentional at this point.
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    04-03-2014 10:55 AM
  16. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Hopmedic and Borasar get it :)
    04-03-2014 10:59 AM
  17. Dantekai14's Avatar
    I thought this topic was only about "Cortana for USA only"?
    So, I was making relation of his comment with topic.......

    I don't know their was something else going on.


    Right now I am very much disappointing,
    No File Manager, No Cortana.

    Anyway ,I apologize for this mistake.
    04-03-2014 11:04 AM
  18. HarkAtYou's Avatar
    Actually that was someone else who mentioned Siri I believe.

    As regards the BBC statement. I understand how licensing works for television in the UK. I also know that they could create a simple verification system similar to HBO Go or Hulu or various other channels that offer online access where they could have me sign-in via my television providers credentials to verify that I am a BBC America subscriber if they really wanted to.

    So shouldn't I be angry that they are intentionally being racist against American's? I mean after all that is the actual accusations being leveled at MS by some here on the site.

    I can tell you right now you probably won't win a debate against me since understanding geofencing and its limitations is something I have to understand very well for my particular career. :P
    I'm not looking to debate it, but your subscription fee for BBC America doesn't contribute to iPlayer. It is just paid for Discovery to licence the BBC programmes it shows.

    There is also licencing issues, BBC America only showes a small selection of the programming from BBC 1,2,3,4, News, Parliament, CBBC, CBeebies, S4C, Alba, etc. But also gives you programs from non BBC UK channels. So providing you with access to iPlayer requires further work to limit you to the small selection of programmes you're allowed. I understand you can still access the BBC radio stations in the US online.

    The main issue is that BBC America is essentially not a BBC channel. It is basically like any other US channel provided by discovery but with BBC branding. It is part owned by BBC but that's as far as it goes.

    So your point is the same as saying, "I have an iPhone that can open MS office documents, so why cant I have Cortana" They're entirely different services provided by different companies, and you pay for one and not the other.

    Having two otherwise identical Lumias and one can do it whilst one cant.
    04-03-2014 11:05 AM
  19. KrisJoeEll's Avatar
    I cannot see the side of those who accuse my friends and coworkers of being racist or of not giving a s**t about the world when I know how hard they work their asses off day in and say out. The nights they don't go home and nap on futons to make sure things are done when they could be spending time with their families.

    I'm one of those people. So they are by extension telling me that I'm a racist and that I don't care. They will not earn my kindness or respect that way.

    They will however always get my total honesty regardless of how little they may like it.
    Well said. But the one who used the racist card was 'rubenwidjaja' and he deserved all your anger. But there are others in this forum who was treated as they said it. And since you are living in the US (I looked at your profile) they feel like you are more privileged than them and each time you reply, you make them antagonize you more.
    04-03-2014 11:07 AM
  20. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I'm not looking to debate it, but your subscription fee for BBC America doesn't contribute to iPlayer. It is just paid for Discovery to licence the BBC programmes it shows.

    There is also licencing issues, BBC America only showes a small selection of the programming from BBC 1,2,3,4, News, Parliament, CBBC, CBeebies, S4C, Alba, etc. But also gives you programs from non BBC UK channels. So providing you with access to iPlayer requires further work to limit you to the small selection of programmes you're allowed. I understand you can still access the BBC radio stations in the US online.

    The main issue is that BBC America is essentially not a BBC channel. It is basically like any other US channel provided by discovery but with BBC branding. It is part owned by BBC but that's as far as it goes.

    So your point is the same as saying, "I have an iPhone that can open MS office documents, so why cant I have Cortana" They're entirely different services provided by different companies, and you pay for one and not the other.

    Having two otherwise identical Lumias and one can do it whilst one cant.
    I wasn't aware of that particular technical point. However the basic analogy still stands from a hypothetical standpoint
    04-03-2014 11:13 AM
  21. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Well said. But the one who used the racist card was 'rubenwidjaja' and he deserved all your anger. But there are others in this forum who was treated as they said it. And since you are living in the US (I looked at your profile) they feel like you are more privileged than them and each time you reply, you make them antagonize you more.
    I cannot help the reactions of others to the truth. As I've pointed out other countries also have benefits they get with some products that the US doesn't get either. I mentioned earlier an example about Sony and exclusive titles and features in Japan.

    Nintendo released crippled versions of the Famicom and Super Famicom in the US.

    I don't see the need for hate for any reason over it. I don't get angry at things other places have that I can't.

    Heck I'm just happy that we finally have a nearby fry shop that finally just opened that makes decent poutine and I'm hoping we get a Tim Horton's down her soon. That doesn't mean I get mad at Canada or those living there for the things I can't have, or in the case of Cortana (for them) may have to wait for.

    Make sense? :)
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    04-03-2014 11:20 AM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    I cannot help the reactions of others to the truth. As I've pointed out other countries also have benefits they get with some products that the US doesn't get either. I mentioned earlier an example about Sony and exclusive titles and features in Japan.

    Nintendo released crippled versions of the Famicom and Super Famicom in the US.

    I don't see the need for hate for any reason over it. I don't get angry at things other places have that I can't.

    Heck I'm just happy that we finally have a nearby fry shop that finally just opened that makes decent poutine and I'm hoping we get a Tim Horton's down her soon. That doesn't mean I get mad at Canada or those living there for the things I can't have, or in the case of Cortana (for them) may have to wait for.

    Make sense? :)
    Well-stated. Instead of the "why can't I have this" attitude, I choose the "thank you for providing that" option.
    04-03-2014 11:22 AM
  23. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Well-stated. Instead of the "why can't I have this" attitude, I choose the "thank you for providing that" option.
    Exactly. I find my life is much happier when I focus on that viewpoint. :)

    Sure it would be awesome if everyone could have everything all at once. That's just not how the world works at the moment so I'll take what I can get and be happy when I can get more later. :)
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    04-03-2014 11:31 AM
  24. KrisJoeEll's Avatar
    I cannot help the reactions of others to the truth. As I've pointed out other countries also have benefits they get with some products that the US doesn't get either. I mentioned earlier an example about Sony and exclusive titles and features in Japan.

    Nintendo released crippled versions of the Famicom and Super Famicom in the US.

    I don't see the need for hate for any reason over it. I don't get angry at things other places have that I can't.

    Heck I'm just happy that we finally have a nearby fry shop that finally just opened that makes decent poutine and I'm hoping we get a Tim Horton's down her soon. That doesn't mean I get mad at Canada or those living there for the things I can't have, or in the case of Cortana (for them) may have to wait for.

    Make sense? :)
    Sometimes the truth hurts, especially for those who gets the bitter end.

    My native language is not English and it take 2~3 times of re-reading what you said for me to fully understand it. But yes it makes sense, but seeing that we still don't have most of the Bing features and Cortana being rumored to come only next year, you have to understand that some users have the right to show some emotion. And I don't blame you, US or Microsoft in that matter.

    All am asking is, when someone who doesn't have a choice comes in with an opinion that you don't like, please don't try to argue and win just ignore it.
    04-03-2014 11:37 AM
  25. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Sometimes the truth hurts, especially for those who gets the bitter end.

    My native language is not English and it take 2~3 times of re-reading what you said for me to fully understand it. But yes it makes sense, but seeing that we still don't have most of the Bing features and Cortana being rumored to come only next year, you have to understand that some users have the right to show some emotion. And I don't blame you, US or Microsoft in that matter.

    All am asking is, when someone who doesn't have a choice comes in with an opinion that you don't like, please don't try to argue and win just ignore it.
    Fair enough. I generally do unless I see a chance to educate. I believe that even if I'm hated for it that explaining to someone how things work is preferable to letting them carry on with a mistaken belief.

    If they hate me for it, I can still feel absolved because I made the attempt. :)

    BTW your English is far better than my...well any language other than English. :)
    04-03-2014 11:49 AM
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