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  1. Talderon's Avatar
    >.> Someone is teasing us!! I wish I could throttle this dude!! <.<
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    07-10-2014 11:49 AM
  2. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    >.> Someone is teasing us!! I wish I could throttle this dude!! <.<
    Yeah, this guy definitely should give us some more info... ><
    07-10-2014 11:53 AM
  3. Talderon's Avatar
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    07-10-2014 12:03 PM
  4. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Holy Cortana. Such a tease....
    07-10-2014 12:04 PM
  5. slipslip's Avatar
    Talderon--
    I realize you may not be at liberty to say, but how involved has the executive team (Satya Nadella/Bill Gates level) been in developing and managing Cortana? It seems like something that MS execs with deep technical experience would love to chew on--- and something that, frankly, Steve Ballmer probably never would have been all that interested in. From listening to interviews with Bill Gates over the years, artificial intelligence and natural language interfaces are some of the things that he gets pretty jazzed about, in a way that only someone who deeply loves such gritty technical challenges would.

    I was pleased to see Cortana mentioned, in detail, in Satya Nadella's email to all of Microsoft today
    Satya Nadella's email to employees: Bold ambition and our core:
    Increasingly, all of these experiences will become more connected to each other, more contextual and more personal. For example, today the Cortana app on my Windows Phone merges data from highway sensors and my own calendar and simply reminds me to leave work to make it to my daughter's recital on time. In the future, it will be even more intelligent as a personal assistant who takes notes, books meetings and understands if my question about the weather is to determine my clothes for the day or is intended to start a complex task like booking a family vacation.
    The future can't come soon enough. :)

    [On a side note: Someday, I hope I'll be able say "I'll have my Cortana talk to your Cortana to find a meeting time that works for both of us." ]
    07-10-2014 12:05 PM
  6. jleebiker's Avatar
    Talderon, once again, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
    Please let go of those that are impatient for more info. Clearly they have NO sense of what your environment is like. I can't even begin to imagine what you are going through with the changes to the product that are being scoped. Keep up the GREAT work!
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    07-10-2014 12:07 PM
  7. Talderon's Avatar
    Overall, EVERYONE here at Microsoft, including the executive team, is REALLY jazzed about Cortana. Cortana not only brings so much to the table now, but the true future of Cortana is really limitless.

    Here are some things to consider when looking at the way Google and Apple take an approach to their products.

    They had to build infrastructure go from the ground up from design to conception with the idea that "this will be a cool marketing gimmick that we can build on if people respond well to it!".

    How can I say that? Look how long those two products have been out, on the market, in production, "fully" supported, and to this date, how much innovation those companies have thrown at them.

    OH! WAIT! Google is doing a lot of cool new things with Google Now!!! Yes, they are! After Cortana stole all their thunder and made them re-think their strategy behind their limping Google Now product.

    Microsoft's approach was different from Concept to Execution.

    Now, from here, I am speaking from what I have heard, read and know from being on this side of the walls. I am NOT quoting anyone or saying this is the fact on how this happened.
    Microsoft leverages their existing infrastructure they have now for information and presentation for that information and just makes it better and adds even more value to it! BING! Bing is more than a search engine, Bing is an Information Platform. At modular platform that can be built on and added too without compromising the core functionality and capabilities. The smartest thing Microsoft could have done to pull ahead of what any other search engine is doing.

    Microsoft wanted to go beyond a pretty voice interface for your phone. They wanted to tie everything together to bring something fresh. Not a re-hash of what was already being done, but something that is totally different perspective that it will make you re-think the way you feel about how you manage your life.

    This is why Microsoft is branding Cortana as your Personal Assistant. She does more than fetch search results, maps and phone numbers. She helps you manage your life! Reminders when you get somewhere, reminders when you leave somewhere and even reminders for your reminders! Okay, maybe I got a little carried away there... but you get the idea.

    Business users were hailing this approach as a great breath of fresh air, but then the consumer base grabbed on and ran with Cortana! Tracking EVERYTHING that anyone can be interested not only to manage life, but play too!

    The roadmap has changed forever and continues to evolve. Cortana has already grown beyond what we thought we would be at now and the future can only get better!

    Opening Cortana's API to developers is just more icing on this already fabulous cake! I can't wait to see what comes now!!

    Ok, I have to do some work... brb
    07-10-2014 12:24 PM
  8. Lumiamike's Avatar
    Talderon, not that you or me or anyone else here has much say in the continued development of Cortana but what i find hard to understand is the privacy matter.

    In the US privacy is something US citizens take very seriously, it is a cultural thing much like the belief Americans have instilled in them about there country and there rights, privacy is all important

    In other countries privacy is important but not too such an extent, again it is down to a cultural thing.

    I know you don't have the answers but it is worth a thought, How can an extremely US based company develop to its fullest potential a product such as Cortana when its developer core ( in general ) be off a mindset that is extremely concerned about privacy ?? would the product not end up when the dust has settled and in the hands of the public as a useable but limited piece of software ??

    I appreciate there are developers and engineers world wide working on the back end BUT some one somewhere has had to have board meetings and written down a road map off what Cortana can and absolutely cannot do ... the cannot do part would be influenced by a US centric board or group of people, in other words perfectly viable in the US but could do better in the rest of the world... which to be perfectly honest does sum Microsoft up for a myriad of there products.

    The sheer fact that MS is situated in the US could be with this product in particular and its development a major handicap.
    07-10-2014 01:25 PM
  9. tadevinney's Avatar
    not Cortana Related: doing an apple training and it is so cute that they are now coming out with swipe and family rooms.. now who is playing catch up.
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    07-10-2014 01:28 PM
  10. Talderon's Avatar
    Talderon, not that you or me or anyone else here has much say in the continued development of Cortana but what i find hard to understand is the privacy matter.

    In the US privacy is something US citizens take very seriously, it is a cultural thing much like the belief Americans have instilled in them about there country and there rights, privacy is all important

    In other countries privacy is important but not too such an extent, again it is down to a cultural thing.

    I know you don't have the answers but it is worth a thought, How can an extremely US based company develop to its fullest potential a product such as Cortana when its developer core ( in general ) be off a mindset that is extremely concerned about privacy ?? would the product not end up when the dust has settled and in the hands of the public as a useable but limited piece of software ??

    I appreciate there are developers and engineers world wide working on the back end BUT some one somewhere has had to have board meetings and written down a road map off what Cortana can and absolutely cannot do ... the cannot do part would be influenced by a US centric board or group of people, in other words perfectly viable in the US but could do better in the rest of the world... which to be perfectly honest does sum Microsoft up for a myriad of there products.

    The sheer fact that MS is situated in the US could be with this product in particular and its development a major handicap.
    I can understand your view here.

    Cortana development on the back-end for localization is being done in the country of the localization with local developers who know the local situation. Yes, there are things that needs certain approvals, but most of that is all done locally with the reports coming up stream.

    Any global company like Microsoft that is worth a salt can't expect US Corporate HQ to have to approve EVERYTHING before things can get done when it comes to localization and understanding local culture. That is why we have leadership people in local areas that we are operating.
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    07-10-2014 01:50 PM
  11. Lumiamike's Avatar
    not Cortana Related: doing an apple training and it is so cute that they are now coming out with swipe and family rooms.. now who is playing catch up.
    Apple always took existing ideas and made them better, my old Nokia N95 symbian phone did everything and more better than the first Iphones, do we see symbian today, Apple gave it all a fresh new look and a bigger screen, the fact that the Iphone was total garbage to begin with was almost irrelevant, and now as you say they are being unashamedly influenced by a product from WP you can bet your bottom dollar it will be good, its not so much catch up as take whats done and improve

    Cortana related... back at ya Apple
    07-10-2014 01:51 PM
  12. Lumiamike's Avatar
    I can understand your view here.

    Cortana development on the back-end for localization is being done in the country of the localization with local developers who know the local situation. Yes, there are things that needs certain approvals, but most of that is all done locally with the reports coming up stream.

    Any global company like Microsoft that is worth a salt can't expect US Corporate HQ to have to approve EVERYTHING before things can get done when it comes to localization and understanding local culture. That is why we have leadership people in local areas that we are operating.
    Thank you Talderon for the reply, i do hope for Cortanas future the international heads are allowed some freedom, Cortanas future depends on it
    07-10-2014 01:55 PM
  13. Lumiamike's Avatar
    Been having issues with Cortana news and live tile recently, the news items I had asked Cortana to keep me updated on would never show, the live tile insisted on telling me my journey time to work with relevant details all the time, it was stuck basically

    So I turned Cortana off in its settings which reboots the phone, the live tile was still where I left it on the homepage, tapping it restarted Cortana and after allowing her to access my life on the phone it now shows my news items properly and the live tile is now clear off the journey details

    So if Cortana is playing you up, switch it off, reboot and restart
    07-10-2014 04:25 PM
  14. Patric.Z's Avatar
    Talderon, thanks for teasing us :)

    From the front page, looks like there's a poxy hack to get Cortana to speak Chinese but I heard it's still buggy. Looks like it's probably a few months away. Do you know if Cantonese (a dialect of Chinese) support will come out along with Chinese (Mandarin)? Also, I think one issue with voice recognition in non-English speaking countries is that we often use our languages mixed with English words/phrases/names in a sentence, but none of the voice assistant programs can handle this kind of sentences, i.e. if I set my language to Chinese, it will only recognize Chinese, if there's a name in English (a person's name or a place's name) in the sentence , it won't recognize it. Do you think this is something can be looked by the team for localization? It would be great if we can speak to Cortana just the way we speak normally.
    07-10-2014 06:12 PM
  15. Talderon's Avatar
    Talderon, thanks for teasing us :)

    From the front page, looks like there's a poxy hack to get Cortana to speak Chinese but I heard it's still buggy. Looks like it's probably a few months away. Do you know if Cantonese (a dialect of Chinese) support will come out along with Chinese (Mandarin)? Also, I think one issue with voice recognition in non-English speaking countries is that we often use our languages mixed with English words/phrases/names in a sentence, but none of the voice assistant programs can handle this kind of sentences, i.e. if I set my language to Chinese, it will only recognize Chinese, if there's a name in English (a person's name or a place's name) in the sentence , it won't recognize it. Do you think this is something can be looked by the team for localization? It would be great if we can speak to Cortana just the way we speak normally.
    Let me ask them and get back to you!
    07-10-2014 07:00 PM
  16. azcruz's Avatar
    Google gives me the services (US English) without requiring I change the region. What Cortana can't do and might not be able to do...
    07-10-2014 09:20 PM
  17. Joe920's Avatar
    In other news: 200,000 views. How is this thread not stickied yet?
    07-11-2014 02:12 AM
  18. LSDigital's Avatar
    Hi Talderon,
    Let me start by saying thank you for your time. I've been reading this thread mostly from my email for quite some time now. I'd like to reply more often but, I know you have your work to do and I wouldn't like earing your boss complaining about your work productivity :)
    Today, I've come up with a question that every once in a while keeps popping in my head: Why oh why doesn't Cortana ever shows her pretty face? I know there's some battery issues, available screen space, maybe even performance, but... every once in a while... :)
    Don't get me wrong, I do like it the way it is. I just know that someone on your team should have already asked this question before, I'd just like to know what the answer was :)
    By the way, I'm glad to know that there is already local teams working with Cortana :)
    Thank you.
    Last edited by LSDigital; 07-11-2014 at 08:14 AM.
    07-11-2014 03:29 AM
  19. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    In other news: 200,000 views. How is this thread not stickied yet?
    From past experience - Talderon's thread relating to Cortana that was stickied, "was hard to find" and views dropped. I've been noticing this thread since the day it was born and it has NEVER gone below top 20. It is always afloat. It's like most users come here in Cortana forums to post in this thread. :)
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    07-11-2014 05:12 AM
  20. Talderon's Avatar
    In other news: 200,000 views. How is this thread not stickied yet?
    Well, not everything needs a sticky. :D

    Google gives me the services (US English) without requiring I change the region. What Cortana can't do and might not be able to do...
    I don't refute that at all, but there are things that Cortana can do that Google can't. Apples and Oranges, but the roadmap for what Microsoft wants to do with Cortana is clear. What does Google want to do with Google Now? They may have a roadmap now, but in the years they have had to develop this application/platform, what did they do before Cortana?

    Hi Talderon,
    Let me start by saying thank you for your time. I've been reading this thread mostly from my email for quite some time now. I'd like to reply more often but, I know you have your work to do and I wouldn't like earing your boss complaining about your work productivity :)
    Today, I've come up with a question that every once in a while keeps popping in my head: Why oh why doesn't Cortana ever shows her pretty face? I know there's some battery issues, available screen space, maybe even performance, but... every once in a while... :)
    Don't get me wrong, I do like it the way it is. I just know that someone on your team should have already asked this question before, I'd just like to know what the answer was :)
    By the way, I'm glad to know that there is already local teams working with Cortana :)
    Thank you.
    Funny thing, in the discussions I have been in, never came up really. Who knows... ? ;)

    From past experience - Talderon's thread relating to Cortana that was stickied, "was hard to find" and views dropped. I've been noticing this thread since the day it was born and it has NEVER gone below top 20. It is always afloat. It's like most users come here in Cortana forums to post in this thread. :)
    My other thread was more for news up to the release and sharing screenshots and other things. Once released, the thread really was not needed anymore, so I had it un-stickied and let it go to the way of the dino's.

    Anyhow, thanks all for the support. I am waiting for something to show up for some great news to come forward and will be sure to post it here before anywhere else. Yes, even my Twitter. :)
    07-11-2014 08:22 AM
  21. Talderon's Avatar
    Huh... This is new... Well, at least for me. We don't get many weather events here in WA...

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    07-11-2014 08:26 AM
  22. TruPlaya187's Avatar
    Huh... This is new... Well, at least for me. We don't get many weather events here in WA...

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    Is it me or the Facebook notifications are not the same as mine.... It seems that they have a different format or gives more information...
    07-11-2014 08:34 AM
  23. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Is it me or the Facebook notifications are not the same as mine.... It seems that they have a different format or gives more information...
    MS is definitely working on a new Facebook app version, no surprises.
    07-11-2014 08:38 AM
  24. Talderon's Avatar
    Is it me or the Facebook notifications are not the same as mine.... It seems that they have a different format or gives more information...
    That account is using Facebook Beta. I have to check if that is different than regular FB, once I get a notification on the regular FB app.. >.>

    Also keep in mind, I do not clear my notifications all that often (internal build of WP 8.x where I need to keep things there for testing things).
    07-11-2014 08:38 AM
  25. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Is it me or the Facebook notifications are not the same as mine.... It seems that they have a different format or gives more information...
    He "leaked" it on purpose ;)

    You can see how Sonia's last name has been blacked out? The screenshot doesn't look like vanilla screenshot. Talderon, are you being naughty? :P
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    07-11-2014 09:01 AM
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