06-17-2014 08:18 PM
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  1. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I don't mind Microsoft release Cortana for iOS or Android as long as she's less functional there than in Windows Phone
    06-17-2014 09:56 AM
  2. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Does Cortana automatically track your packages, and notify you when they're sitting on your porch? I thought I read somewhere that she had this capability.
    06-17-2014 12:49 PM
  3. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Does Cortana automatically track your packages, and notify you when they're sitting on your porch? I thought I read somewhere that she had this capability.
    She's tracking all the information from the e-mail, so if you receive email notifications - then Cortana should tell you. Probably the same about SMS notification.
    Cortana cannot track the package through online account or somewhere else.
    06-17-2014 01:45 PM
  4. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Ohh Brother

    Netscape lost the browser war because of 2 reasons

    1.. It cost for it,and wasn't cheap.
    2..Microsoft bundling IE and locked into the os as the default browser
    But what did Microsoft gain from 'winning' the browser war? IE was and is free to all Windows users. Once other decent browsers were available, we didn't see a rush of people to alternative platforms. In reality, at best it was a reason not to leave Windows (*) for a couple of years - but there were plenty of other reasons. Perhaps in the long run, Microsoft lost the browser wars by getting stuck with developing and maintaining a browser that offers nothing they and their users can't get free elsewhere.

    (*) and the non-Windows platforms that Microsoft ported IE to.
    06-17-2014 02:48 PM
  5. anony_mouse's Avatar
    She's tracking all the information from the e-mail, so if you receive email notifications - then Cortana should tell you. Probably the same about SMS notification.
    Cortana cannot track the package through online account or somewhere else.
    That sounds really really really creepy. And it's why I disabled Google Now on my phone. How many people actually use or care about these so called 'personal assistants'?
    06-17-2014 02:49 PM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    But what did Microsoft gain from 'winning' the browser war?
    Control over internet standards, which they had for a few years. Obviously nobody invests millions into software and gives it away for free for no reason. The consequences of not having that control are now apparent on the mobile web. They now are forced to plead and beg with web sites to please abide by official standards, often to no avail.

    Unfortunately for MS, other browsers innovated while desktop IE stood still, so they aren't as powerful on the desktop anymore either. Just being the default choice, because IE is pre-installed on the OS most people use, wasn't enough.
    06-17-2014 03:06 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Control over internet standards, which they had for a few years. Obviously nobody invests millions into software and gives it away for free for no reason. The consequences of not having that control are now apparent on the mobile web. They now are forced to plead and beg with web sites to please abide by official standards, often to no avail.
    Ah, this old chestnut. Check out the compliance scores for mobile browsers here: https://html5test.com/results/mobile.html
    Sadly, mobile IE is quite a long way behind.
    06-17-2014 03:24 PM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    Ah, this old chestnut. Check out the compliance scores for mobile browsers here: https://html5test.com/results/mobile.html
    Sadly, mobile IE is quite a long way behind.
    How about testing everything, and not just HTML5, and how about limiting the HTML5 test to what is actually part of the ratified standard. Agree, old chestnut. Lets not get into this for the millionth time.
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    06-17-2014 03:25 PM
  9. anony_mouse's Avatar
    How about testing everything, and not just HTML5, and how about limiting the HTML5 test to what is actually part of the ratified standard. Agree, old chestnut. Lets not get into this for the millionth time.
    I'm sure you can find a test page for more stuff somewhere. But anyway, I see two solutions for Microsoft (assuming they can't be bothered to bring their browser up to date):

    1. Try to educate websites about what IE does implement, and persuade them to avoid features it doesn't. Probably not easy in the mobile space, given IE's market share. So, better might be...

    2. Allow other browsers with (more importantly) other rendering and scripting engines on WP. Let people use Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc. This would solve the problem at no cost to Microsoft, assuming other browser makers actually did port their browsers, of course. I really can't think of a single reason not to allow this. Even Apple will allow alternative browsers on iOS8, and I don't consider the fact that I can install other browsers on desktop Windows to be a problem. In fact, I consider it to be a big advantage and I probably won't use Windows if I couldn't.
    06-17-2014 03:36 PM
  10. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    That sounds really really really creepy. And it's why I disabled Google Now on my phone. How many people actually use or care about these so called 'personal assistants'?
    You can disable it if you want.
    06-17-2014 03:37 PM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    You can disable it if you want.
    Yes, I know. Or better still, not install it in the first place. That way it doesn't waste space on my phone.
    06-17-2014 03:40 PM
  12. a5cent's Avatar
    But anyway, I see two solutions for Microsoft (assuming they can't be bothered to bring their browser up to date):
    <snipped>.
    In the consumer space your first suggestion is obviously a lost cause. That approach works great for the enterprise space however. The features and standards IE supports are largely driven by the needs of their enterprise customers, and that is one of the main reasons IE doesn't jump on the latest fads. What IE implements must stay implemented, unchanged for ever and always, lest MS wants their enterprise customers standing at their doorstep with pitchforks. That is the exact opposite of the approach taken by Safari and Chrome.

    Your second suggestion would work for consumers, but neither for the enterprise nor for MS. They might as well trash IE too while they are at it, since that would mean they can't provide their paying enterprise customers with a single solution that is guaranteed to work the same way on both desktop and mobile.

    To understand IE you need to throw your consumer mindset out the window. Obviously that won't go over well on a consumer website like WPC, but that's life. There are conflicts of interest between what the enterprise and what consumers want, and navigating those waters is surely a difficult task.

    Anyway, let's get back on topic. I don't think this has much to do with pimping out cortana.
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    06-17-2014 03:54 PM
  13. AG VK's Avatar
    That sounds really really really creepy. And it's why I disabled Google Now on my phone. How many people actually use or care about these so called 'personal assistants'?
    Me? And lots of other people.

    How is it 'creepy'? I'd expect that kind of talk from random rednecks, but I'd like to think that WPcentral has a better user base.
    06-17-2014 04:17 PM
  14. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Quick reply before abandoning the subject as off topic... I'm not suggesting that Microsoft throw away IE (at least, I'm not suggesting that today). Just that they allow alternative browsers on WP. Then corporates, if any of them actually use WP, can use IE all they like, and their employees can also use other browsers for non-corporate sites. That's how it works for Windows on PC and while users complain about having to use IE for some services, at least everything will work.

    Curiously, I haven't come across a corporate app (and I see a lot of them, including Sharepoint, etc) that doesn't work on Firefox (haven't tried Chrome) for a couple of years. My impression is that this is becoming less of a problem, but I'm sure it hasn't completely gone away yet.
    06-17-2014 04:25 PM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Me? And lots of other people.

    How is it 'creepy'? I'd expect that kind of talk from random rednecks, but I'd like to think that WPcentral has a better user base.
    Seriously?! You should read what people here say about Google! I'd say people here to have a *better* understanding of privacy issues than average, and therefore are more concerned about the use of their personal information.
    06-17-2014 04:27 PM
  16. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Seriously?! You should read what people here say about Google! I'd say people here to have a *better* understanding of privacy issues than average, and therefore are more concerned about the use of their personal information.
    What's the thing with personal information? Are you one of those who are afraid of spying?
    MS openly stated that they collect the user data and, apparently, nobody cares. Well, almost nobody..
    06-17-2014 04:42 PM
  17. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    What's the thing with personal information? Are you one of those who are afraid of spying?
    MS openly stated that they collect the user data and, apparently, nobody cares. Well, almost nobody..
    There is a major difference in what happens with Microsoft and Google...Microsoft uses data,for sure..but they aren't selling anything of it to anyone else.
    The privacy policies of Microsoft far exceeds those of Google and this is not even debatable.

    Just because you aren't concerned don't think for a second many aren't,nor more won't become when they find out just what little privacy they have on Android.
    06-17-2014 04:55 PM
  18. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    But what did Microsoft gain from 'winning' the browser war? IE was and is free to all Windows users. Once other decent browsers were available, we didn't see a rush of people to alternative platforms. In reality, at best it was a reason not to leave Windows (*) for a couple of years - but there were plenty of other reasons. Perhaps in the long run, Microsoft lost the browser wars by getting stuck with developing and maintaining a browser that offers nothing they and their users can't get free elsewhere.

    (*) and the non-Windows platforms that Microsoft ported IE to.
    The didn't gain by driving Netscape out, those of us who had invested in it lost.

    IE to me is really no better than it was then. It has always had to play catch up to other browsers and has always been cluttered and clunky to use..
    06-17-2014 05:02 PM
  19. Visa Declined's Avatar
    There is a major difference in what happens with Microsoft and Google...Microsoft uses data,for sure..but they aren't selling anything of it to anyone else.
    The privacy policies of Microsoft far exceeds those of Google and this is not even debatable.

    Just because you aren't concerned don't think for a second many aren't,nor more won't become when they find out just what little privacy they have on Android.
    Google doesn't sell your data, you are either fear mongering or being encredibly obtuse.
    06-17-2014 05:30 PM
  20. kencaz's Avatar
    I think that Microsoft has been on the rampage this last year or so releasing Windows 8.1, the Surface Line, and now WP8.1 with Cortana and acquiring Nokia as well. I thought they were on a role even with the issues people (not me) have had with 8.1. I loved the Surface idea and thought that finally they had a match for Apples iPad. They were well on their way until they released Office for iOS and also for Android. This, was a terrible move on the Surface sales point of view. Office was suppose to be a perk for getting Windows and Surface. Someone on the fence now or that was on iOS will certainly not make the move to the MS echo system because the incentive is gone.

    Now, they are doing the same thing with Cortana. iOS would never give up Siri or Google with Google now... These are incentives to join their system and buy their products. I you could get all the iOS perks on Android then Apple would be gone... Windows phone is really coming along fast and a lot of people, (and the media) are starting to pay more attention to WP 8 and even more so that Cortana has come out.

    If MS wants people to start buying their phones and devices they had better make it worth while. Giving up all the benefits of having WP is not the way.
    bijak_riyandi likes this.
    06-17-2014 06:17 PM
  21. Jazmac's Avatar
    Mod's, I think this has run its course. Please close.
    06-17-2014 07:42 PM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    As requested...

    Thread closed
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