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  1. 920Walker's Avatar
    I'm not getting into advertising, government, NSA, Nephilim or Illuminati here, but do have a tip.

    Always buy the industrial grade tinfoil, well if you are on LTE anyway. The store brand stuff on the bottom shelf is fine if you're on 4G or more inferior.
    23kid and sinime like this.
    06-14-2015 10:41 PM
  2. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    I'm not getting into advertising, government, NSA, Nephilim or Illuminati here, but do have a tip.

    Always buy the industrial grade tinfoil, well if you are on LTE anyway. The store brand stuff on the bottom shelf is fine if you're on 4G or more inferior.
    Typical reply...how original ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ Man you're lame. But good try ๐Ÿ˜
    06-14-2015 10:52 PM
  3. michail71's Avatar
    No its not obvious.

    As much as I would humor the sort of suspicious things (I play Deus Ex) I think you're trying to draw connections to fit a predetermined situation where there are none.

    She's personified to be a better assistant with the potential fringe benefit of what you're saying.

    Cortana is not Bing. Cortana is powered by Bing.
    Well you know, Google Now is a great service, but I don't think they stick ads in the cards there.

    I understand the sentiment, but you're grabbing at straws. A major factor she's called Cortana is that the community pestered MS for it. No its not like there was a round table of illuminati folks thinking. "OK men, we need a fancy name for this assistant so people will throw data at us"
    MS is made up of people. If I worked in the Cortana team, I'd champion Cortana because its a good name, people like it, etc. Not for the sake of "ohoho ads ads ads!"

    Bing exists to offer data and searches. It also sells the potential eyeballs it gets to advertisers. Metadata is for better targeting, which is more valuable to advertisers. Trying to sell me a fancy new purse doesn't help anyone. Trying to sell me a phone, maybe, is more relevant.

    MS's chief goal is making money. If one way is through ads, sure. If they cross a line, OK watch the storm happen. But that's not conducive to money-making.
    Lol, yes the people making these things are just creative types like us. Just normal people wanted to express their creative talents.

    Besides, without a good digital assistant WP would be dead in the water.

    Someone could come up with an aluminum foil hat OS but it wouldn't do much.
    bo_woods likes this.
    06-14-2015 10:53 PM
  4. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Hmmm

    What do you say could be a negative consequence of companies having our data?
    Depends on the companies and the data. Some companies/entities require your social security number for something, and they don't always have premium security installed on their stuff. So the chances of identity theft is a real and vexing concern. I remain very concerned about my own personal data such as numbers, passwords, and biographicals. Dietary habits not so much. Cortana can have those if she can recommend me a good pub.

    Always buy the industrial grade tinfoil, well if you are on LTE anyway. The store brand stuff on the bottom shelf is fine if you're on 4G or more inferior.
    I'm sorry to say, but the new 700 MHz that TMO is rolling out will blast through the nice basic tinfoil. I'd recommend a solid lead helmet. Might protect from cell phone radiation as well. Who knows.


    tl;dr: Microsoft doesn't pull fast ones.
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    06-14-2015 10:59 PM
  5. bo_woods's Avatar
    In order for a personal assistant to be helpful, she would have to be quite fond of you and have info on you, wouldn't she?

    And shouldn't this be on Android Central. Google is notorious for selling user data

    Microsoft just last year went back and forth with the federal government because they didn't want to hand over Consumer data stored in Ireland... Not saying this necessarily means much as far as correlation to the OP's accusations go, but I felt it was something worth bringing up

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...-ireland/?_r=0
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    06-14-2015 11:31 PM
  6. xibartx's Avatar
    fast one? maybe... the long con? definitely...but just like any entity with billions of dollars.....some foreign governments I am sure have much more info on you than MS/Apple/Google....scared yet? feeling helpless? cortana doesn't give them any more info than they can get already...feel safe yet? someone's got your data if you send it out there...the more convenience the more risk I guess you could say....remember when you didn't need loyalty cars to get the deals at the grocer? where does it end?....does it keep me up at night? no
    06-14-2015 11:31 PM
  7. bo_woods's Avatar
    Every time you use a service or purchase a good your info is being spread..

    When you purchase something from a store with a card, that store now has your card info.

    Does that mean they're going to do crazy stuff with it? No
    That would be illegal in one or many ways

    When you have a plumber come to your house
    That service now knows where you live, your payment information, and probably a few other things
    What can that plumbing service possibly do with that info to harm you without breaking the law, and or ruining their reputation and going out of business.

    Don't even get me started on how much a company learns abut you through browsing the web and then god forbid PURCASING/ORDERING something

    We live in a connected world, and like said before by other folk this stuff is nothing new
    920Walker likes this.
    06-14-2015 11:54 PM
  8. hotphil's Avatar
    Wow.
    Just imagine how evil all these companies are, using information for all sorts of purposes.
    If only there were some sort of legally enforceable, easy to access, opt-in set of terms and conditions that users had to accept before using such services.
    06-15-2015 12:20 AM
  9. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    Personally I'm not worried about Cortana knowing more about me.
    Its not in Microsoft's core strategy to data mine your personal data for financial gain unlike Google & Google Now. Google have based their business model around user data, Microsoft haven't.

    At least with Microsoft you have a choice: disable Cortana & delete your data via Bing if you're not happy.
    Try stopping Google knowing all about you without completely halting use of their services.

    G.
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    06-15-2015 05:12 AM
  10. 23kid's Avatar
    Do I really care if Microsoft know what my favourite restaurant is?

    If you don't want personalised search results, save yourself some cash and get a 3310
    06-15-2015 07:52 AM
  11. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Why do people even care about personal data, chill out guys, it's not like they are watching YOU. I couldn't care less. Those personalized ads on FB actually helped me Lol.

    I don't have anything to hide.
    This is like saying you couldn't care less about free speech since you have nothing to say. Thank God not everyone is as apathetic as you.
    920Walker likes this.
    06-15-2015 07:54 AM
  12. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Lol. Here you go again broadly casting your ignorance and with so much confidence and a condescending attitude. I guess you're one of the people who believe there is no corruption in the government at all and everything they say is the truth and end all despite of alll the evidence against this. You're a true delusional sheep. And you're proud of it.

    And to entertain you even more, I'm not from America or Canada, but seems like I know more of their corrupt tactics and past than you do.

    Only if you took the time to educate yourself about what's happening and what has happened in the real world would you understand but that requires admitting that you're wrong and seeing things for what they are. But your pride is too big and your stuck in your sheep mindset where you're so comfortable living in a bubble that you simply don't care and make fun of others who are trying to shed some light.

    And besides, I don't ever recall anyone here mentioning aliens or area 51 anywhere. Don't know where you were going with that in your attempt to be sarcastic but oh well. Learn your history. That's the least you deserve to do for yourself as a human being.
    I am going to be nice about this......
    Please do not even try to tell me to educate myself on any topic, as I have walked this earth for some time now. From reading your posts my guess is you are either late Teen's maybe early 20's ( feel free to correct me on this), and you have the truth and the light on the world.
    I still remember being a kid and watching Armstrong walking on the moon, live on a state of the art Black and White TV......Color TV was only for the super rich back then.

    Any way when you have paid taxes for as many years as I have then you may call into question what I may or may not know of the world. But to be honest, I more than likely have socks older then you.

    Just in my life time alone the changes I have seen with my own eyes. When you have seen as much, then you may take the attitude you have toward me and any comments I make.

    Have your self a nice day and may you go in peace!!
    Last edited by Greywolf1967; 06-15-2015 at 08:43 AM.
    06-15-2015 08:06 AM
  13. 23kid's Avatar
    I am going to be nice about this......
    Please do not even try to tell me to educate myself on any topic, as I have walked this earth for some time now. From reading your posts my guess is you are either late Teen's maybe early 20's ( feel free to correct me on this), and you have the truth and the light on the world.
    I still remember being a kid and watching Armstrong walking on the moon, live on a state of the art Black and White TV......Color TV was only for the super rich back then.

    Any way when you have paid taxes for as many years as I have then you may call into question what I may or may not know of the world. But to be honest, I more then likely have socks older then you.

    Just in my life time alone the changes I have seen with my own eyes. When you have seen as much, then you may take the attitude you have toward me and any comments I make.

    Have your self a nice day and may you go in peace!!
    Although I agree 100% with these comments; I can't resist when people start fighting from behind keyboards...

    Lived for all these years, yet still don't know the difference between 'then' and 'than'



    Also impressed you remember watching the moon landing when you were 2 years old (if your username is indeed based on your DOB).
    06-15-2015 08:09 AM
  14. 920Walker's Avatar
    Typical reply...how original ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ Man you're lame. But good try ๐Ÿ˜
    You think I'm not serious?
    06-15-2015 08:10 AM
  15. Ten Four's Avatar
    Is it just me or do others find that the supposed "targeted" advertising I get is frequently hopelessly off the mark? If I were paying for these targeted ads I would be upset. One funny example is that I frequently see ads for StraightTalk Android phones on sale--you would think that the fact I am using a Windows phone to view the ads would be a tip off as to my preferred phone type.
    06-15-2015 08:40 AM
  16. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Pardon the typo !! I work nights and am half dead doing this. I also tend not to proof read before I click post. Thank you for the read (fixed) !!!!

    I remember it only because it caused a fuss in my family. My Grandmother would not believe it was real, saying because of the Tower of Babel ( I forget if this is correct spelling), man could never do such a thing. My Parents trying to tell her that it was a real thing and not a movie.

    My parents have quizzed me on this as well, as they just can not believe I even knew what was going on. Also that I can draw a floor plan of all 3 levels of the house. I should add they sold that house when I was 3.
    06-15-2015 08:54 AM
  17. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    If you're not doing anything illegal then you have nothing to worry about. I hate to break it to some of you but you're really not that important. No one wants to watch you and a lot of the things you're against help law enforcement catch some very sick people.
    Last edited by offbeatbop; 06-15-2015 at 02:45 PM.
    06-15-2015 01:10 PM
  18. bo_woods's Avatar
    Also its not like theres some human looking at everything you do, going through all the data that Cortana takes in 24/7.... That would take so many people to monitor everything eveybody searches or use the internet to do.... I'm sure stuff like this is only accessed when needed, just like with Internet Service Providers

    Or computers scour through user data to form statistics to find out whats popular and stuff like that to improve their services and other peoples services....

    But at the end of the day I pretty much impossible to be active in society and not drop info here and there... companies know your credit cards, people see you walk in and out of buildings, ISP's c access what you look up, the hospital knows where you were born, your ethnicity, etc.

    Once again we live in a connected world
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    06-15-2015 01:36 PM
  19. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    People have given up their personal information years ago. Just look at Facebook... Cortana stores locally and on a server all of your preferences to personalize the results. Will they sell ads? Well I'm not sure perhaps it's written down on their Service Agreement on the Microsoft Account site that you've agreed to give them access to your data or something.
    06-15-2015 01:45 PM
  20. bo_woods's Avatar
    If you don't want your data in the hands of businesses, don't use their products as simple as that, because whether they want to use the data for malicious purposes or not, either way the data they take in helps improve user experience
    Laura Knotek and 920Walker like this.
    06-15-2015 01:51 PM
  21. 23kid's Avatar
    Ha ha as someone said; if you use facebook, you have no private data.

    Although I guess Mr Z and co. have decide we're not worthy for their service and pulled us.
    920Walker likes this.
    06-15-2015 04:35 PM
  22. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    I am going to be nice about this......
    Please do not even try to tell me to educate myself on any topic, as I have walked this earth for some time now. From reading your posts my guess is you are either late Teen's maybe early 20's ( feel free to correct me on this), and you have the truth and the light on the world.
    I still remember being a kid and watching Armstrong walking on the moon, live on a state of the art Black and White TV......Color TV was only for the super rich back then.

    Any way when you have paid taxes for as many years as I have then you may call into question what I may or may not know of the world. But to be honest, I more than likely have socks older then you.

    Just in my life time alone the changes I have seen with my own eyes. When you have seen as much, then you may take the attitude you have toward me and any comments I make.

    Have your self a nice day and may you go in peace!!
    You know..you are right. I am in my early 20's. And thanks for trying to be "nice"....while yet trying to undermine everything I've said because I'm younger than you. How generous....please.

    And btw...just because you're older doesn't me you know more or are more correct on the opinions you stand. Age does bring experience and wisdom..at least I would hope...im pretty sure you've seen cases where this doesn't hold a grain of truth and cases where younger people have spoken profound wisdom and truths..

    But wether we agree or not..please do not be one of those "old" folks who use their age as a justification to undermine someone younger than you or their opinions. That's one of the most basic, insecure, overused and down right nonsensical argument most older people make. No disrespect of course ;-)

    But that way of arguing doesn't help your point at all. Have a good day yourself.
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    06-15-2015 05:00 PM
  23. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I think the funny part is how people thought there was anything else about this that could happen. Everything tech companies do now is about advertising. It's a way to supplement giving the OS away for free, among other things. I mean, it's no different than the way people throw out every iota of personal information on Facebook or Twitter. How can you be surprised when you see what the Internet keeps for information? I mean, if you didn't know this, you deserve to have your data stolen for not thinking before you act.

    In reality, your personal information is everywhere. It can be found, even if you think you're "off the grid," by not using Facebook. At this point, I guess the best thing to do is try to leverage it to your advantage, by signing up for all of the spam e-mail accounts to get free money from companies when you shop online or something.
    06-15-2015 06:25 PM
  24. jsooney's Avatar
    I find this tends to be a generational thing. I've noticed older people have more of a problem just wantonly sharing everything with whoever, especially if they are technical. Younger folks tend to be more lemming-like and have no problem sharing their entire existence online. I think it is due in part to a lack of understanding the technology, or what companies can and do get up to.

    "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" is a fairly typical attitude. Well, you don't have to be doing anything wrong for things to go wrong. As an example, any idea what happens to your fitness data from whatever app you're using? It gets stored on the companies' servers and they sell it. They claim it's only aggregated data, nothing identifiable, but I think you'd have to be pretty dumb to be comfortable with that. It's only a matter of time before companies start using that data to base coverage decisions on. It's probably already happening. Just one of many potential hazards, even if you are an angel.

    (Yes, I'm older).
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    06-15-2015 07:22 PM
  25. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    I find this tends to be a generational thing. I've noticed older people have more of a problem just wantonly sharing everything with whoever, especially if they are technical. Younger folks tend to be more lemming-like and have no problem sharing their entire existence online. I think it is due in part to a lack of understanding the technology, or what companies can and do get up to.

    "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" is a fairly typical attitude. Well, you don't have to be doing anything wrong for things to go wrong. As an example, any idea what happens to your fitness data from whatever app you're using? It gets stored on the companies' servers and they sell it. They claim it's only aggregated data, nothing identifiable, but I think you'd have to be pretty dumb to be comfortable with that. It's only a matter of time before companies start using that data to base coverage decisions on. It's probably already happening. Just one of many potential hazards, even if you are an angel.

    (Yes, I'm older).
    Thank you for shedding some light on this. Its just that there are so much scenarios out there that can affect our lives that people don't understand/think about from a long term perspective. I don't have all the answers but I'm aware of what hazards are real and exist. From the small to the large but most people don't care at all and brush it off. But that's life until something happens...
    06-15-2015 07:28 PM
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