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  1. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Considering the likely gains in power consumption and performance, it's worth the wait. Like I said, it was a question about need vs. want. He sounded more like someone wanting to upgrade, not someone who had parts fail, thus necessitating a near-future upgrade.
    06-08-2014 01:57 PM
  2. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Is the PC a need right now? I think at this point, I'd just wait for Broadwell and its DDR4 RAM, see how it's priced.
    With 97-boards just released to support 4th and 5th gen Intel CPUs and still using DDR3, I'm not sure if adopting DDR4 at this early stage is woth the money. It's not even been released yet and DDR3 is most likely to be supported for quite while (if manufacturers aren't pushing it very hard). That reminds me of higher res monitors or in general every new first gen product: there are most likely to be issues and/or overpricing and lack of support.

    On the other hand I'm not quite sure about what I just wrote. With technology evolving this fast...there's no sure thing. Nevertheless - PERSONALLY - I would wait for DDR4 to become standard, not just an "upgrade".

    Please don't read this as granted, just a guess and feel of my guts.

    But yes, it's a complicated time if you want to upgrade with all this new upgrades in technology (DDR4, m.2-SATA, SATA Express,...).
    06-08-2014 07:16 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Well, it's not necessarily to say ou definitely go the route I suggest. It's more to see:

    1. How much DDR4 > DDR3 improves performance
    2. How much DDR4 costs, compared to DDR3.

    If DDR4 is something like $100 more for 16 GB, it's obviously not a big deal to get it. However, if it's something like $100 more to go Broadwell+DDR4 over Haswell-E+DDR3, and you get a 30% (or more) performance increase, I'd consider waiting, especially since that investment in DDR4 would likely be reusable for the next build (DDR3 probably wouldn't).
    06-08-2014 10:54 PM
  4. Akash Patel's Avatar
    Hey guys what's the difference between 2gb sapphire Radeon R9 270x and 4gb sapphire Radeon R9 270x except vram cause my brother is upgrading his graphic card from HD7850 and 4gb version cost $270(₹16250) and 2gb cost $290(17890) here at local shops
    06-09-2014 03:20 AM
  5. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    It's possible that one model might be clocked a little higher than the other. There are just some things/games that would make use of the extra VRAM, though not many. If he just wants a mid-range gaming card, the 2-GB card is just fine.

    However, there's not much of a difference between the 7850 and the 270X. The 270 is a rebranded 7850, while the 270X is a rebranded 7870. There's not much to gain with that upgrade, most likely.
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    06-09-2014 03:39 AM
  6. Akash Patel's Avatar
    It's possible that one model might be clocked a little higher than the other. There are just some things/games that would make use of the extra VRAM, though not many. If he just wants a mid-range gaming card, the 2-GB card is just fine.

    However, there's not much of a difference between the 7850 and the 270X. The 270 is a rebranded 7850, while the 270X is a rebranded 7870. There's not much to gain with that upgrade, most likely.
    Both are factory oc version. So should he get r9 280x it cost $310?
    06-09-2014 04:16 AM
  7. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    AnandTech Portal | The Radeon R9 280X Review: Feat. Asus & XFX - Meet The Radeon 200 Series

    There's a review of the 280X, and some of the benchmarks should have 270X comparisons. I can't say what he should get without knowing what he wants to do (games, resolution, number of monitors, FPS, budget, etc.). However, I can say that $250 or whatever to barely jump up from what is basically a 270 vs. 270X comparison's a rather wasteful way to spend. I'm personally still rolling with a 5850 myself. If he's not playing new, high-end games on a 1080p (or higher), his card should do just fine, to be honest.
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    06-09-2014 11:31 AM
  8. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Just ordered the parts for my grandmas new PC....hopefully they arrive soon....can't stand that nagging any longer "When will it arrive? When will I be able to play my games again?" -_-^^
    Managed to keep the price unter 350€ (with Windows 8.1!).
    The build will include the following parts:

    AMD A6-5400K Black Edition
    MSI A75M-P45 FM2+
    Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3-1866 1x4GB
    Corsair VS300
    Sharkoon VS3-S
    WD Caviar Blue 1TB
    Windows 8.1 64bit
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    06-09-2014 12:20 PM
  9. Akash Patel's Avatar
    AnandTech Portal | The Radeon R9 280X Review: Feat. Asus & XFX - Meet The Radeon 200 Series

    There's a review of the 280X, and some of the benchmarks should have 270X comparisons. I can't say what he should get without knowing what he wants to do (games, resolution, number of monitors, FPS, budget, etc.). However, I can say that $250 or whatever to barely jump up from what is basically a 270 vs. 270X comparison's a rather wasteful way to spend. I'm personally still rolling with a 5850 myself. If he's not playing new, high-end games on a 1080p (or higher), his card should do just fine, to be honest.
    He is having 2 monitors,Mostly all games on 1080p(all the upcoming game).
    So I guess I will tell him to don't upgrade his gpu thanks for the info mate:)
    06-09-2014 01:31 PM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Got my SSD in a few days ago. It's a Kingston V300, 120 GB in size. I wasn't looking to buy, but the seller on Amazon (HPP Electronics) had it accidentally marked down from $80 to $25, so I jumped on it. Now, I have to deal with backing up my media/files, then installing the SSD, then putting the OS on it, then re-connecting the HDD, then formatting the HDD to get the Windows stuff off. Ugh, too lazy.

    Part of the reason is I don't have a disc drive, so I have to go pull my cousin's out and borrow it to do the install, and I'm not in the mood.
    06-13-2014 10:53 PM
  11. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Got my SSD in a few days ago. It's a Kingston V300, 120 GB in size. I wasn't looking to buy, but the seller on Amazon (HPP Electronics) had it accidentally marked down from $80 to $25, so I jumped on it. Now, I have to deal with backing up my media/files, then installing the SSD, then putting the OS on it, then re-connecting the HDD, then formatting the HDD to get the Windows stuff off. Ugh, too lazy.

    Part of the reason is I don't have a disc drive, so I have to go pull my cousin's out and borrow it to do the install, and I'm not in the mood.
    Really, REALLY don't wanna rain on your parade but I think you might wanna know why the price most likely dropped that much: Kingston recently changed their V300, making it performing slower.
    :-(
    AnandTech | An Update to Kingston SSDNow V300: A Switch to Slower Micron NAND

    Make some performance tests, maybe you got an old one, that would be really great.
    06-14-2014 02:53 AM
  12. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I know about that, this was a pricing error, though. They sent out things about how the business was trying ot get out of honoring the requests and stuff. Heck, I don't know that I care either way, though. I mean, even if it's a lower-quality drive, I spent less than one-third its normal price on it, so I can't say it matters.
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    06-14-2014 08:24 AM
  13. radmanvr's Avatar
    Just built this guy recently. Mid range budget. OC CPU to about 4.2GHZ stable.


    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ OutletPC)
    CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($151.00 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($129.00 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 1GB ACX Video Card ($114.99 @ Newegg)
    Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 Snow White ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.42 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: Azza 650W ATX Power Supply ($58.10 @ Amazon)
    Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
    Total: $1025.35
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:39 EDT-0400
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    06-14-2014 11:42 AM
  14. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Just built this guy recently. Mid range budget. OC CPU to about 4.2GHZ stable.


    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ OutletPC)
    CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($151.00 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($129.00 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 1GB ACX Video Card ($114.99 @ Newegg)
    Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 Snow White ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.42 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: Azza 650W ATX Power Supply ($58.10 @ Amazon)
    Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
    Total: $1025.35
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:39 EDT-0400
    Nice rig. The only thing that bothers me is the i5 + GeForce 750 combination. Why did you decide to get this GPU?

    Also, your rig-specs might be better here ;-)
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/pc-gaming/250969-6.htm
    06-14-2014 01:43 PM
  15. radmanvr's Avatar
    Nice rig. The only thing that bothers me is the i5 + GeForce 750 combination. Why did you decide to get this GPU?

    Also, your rig-specs might be better here ;-)
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/pc-gaming/250969-6.htm
    Can you help me understand this better?

    My choice of Intel vs AMD?
    My choice of Nvidia vs AMD

    or specifically the i5 4670k + GeForce 750 combination? as in why did I pair these 2 items together?
    06-14-2014 02:10 PM
  16. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I wasn't sure if he meant brand choice or high-end CPU and mid-range GPU, since the vast majority of games are still GPU-bound.
    06-14-2014 02:13 PM
  17. radmanvr's Avatar
    I wasn't sure if he meant brand choice or high-end CPU and mid-range GPU, since the vast majority of games are still GPU-bound.

    MMOs are more CPU heavy than GPU heavy. Also, It was for budget reason. My wife would not approve of me buying the Nvidia Titan Black.

    I do not play FPS which are more GPU than CPU.

    I hope this answers your question
    06-14-2014 02:18 PM
  18. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    MMOs are more CPU heavy than GPU heavy. Also, It was for budget reason. My wife would not approve of me buying the Nvidia Titan Black.

    I do not play FPS which are more GPU than CPU.

    I hope this answers your question
    A Titan Black would've been overkill and most times doesn't even justify the money^^

    I meant what Keith said, mid range CPU (or let's call it beginning of upper class) paired with an entry-level GPU. A R9 270 costs about 130-180$
    With an i5 and 16GB RAM a 750 just stands out. That's what I wanted to say. It kinda seems too weak for a powerful (and OC'd) CPU like the i5.
    06-14-2014 03:42 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    When you consider the range of CPUs out there, I deem the 4670K high-end. The Ivy Bridge-E is exactly what it's called, enthusiast-class, not a real consumer product. The i7-4770K is the only CPU that'll REALLY beat it (an overclocked 3770K probably would as well), when you're talking legitimate consumer builds. When you've got the entry-level Pentium stuff and the AMD APUs, I'd start saying that the Haswell i3 and the AMD FX-6300 series and lower stuff is mid-range, while the AMD FX-8300 stuff and Intel i5/i7 to be upper-tier parts.

    That's if we're sticking to the 3-tier ideal of low/middle/high. We could draw it up with as many tiers as we want, though.
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    06-14-2014 06:17 PM
  20. radmanvr's Avatar
    My last rig:
    AMD Phenom II x4 970 BE
    HD Radeon 7700
    16gb Ram

    Wanted to try something new. Never owned an NVIDIA before my brothers i3 GTX 550 rig is still holding strong but my AMD rig has been lagging a lot.

    Main reasons I opted for Intel + NVIDIA
    06-14-2014 07:20 PM
  21. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I'm sure that had to do with the CPU gap. The 970's 3.5 years old. Intel was winning at that time. If your brother's i3 is Sandy Bridge or newer, it would make sense for it to be winning, especially at MMOs Intel's a good decision though, if you are doing WoW, as it's said to be single-thread friendly.
    06-14-2014 08:31 PM
  22. radmanvr's Avatar
    Currently, playing Wild Star, they seem to have similar graphic demand as WoW.

    Wild Star is not very optimized currently and I am see performance issues. Spikes and dips from high 20's to 60 FPS. Once It's optimized I will decided to either SLI by GTX 550 or go for GTX 760, as the 760 price is not omgwtf. (wife would not approve of price higher than the price for 760)
    06-16-2014 11:15 AM
  23. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Currently, playing Wild Star, they seem to have similar graphic demand as WoW.

    Wild Star is not very optimized currently and I am see performance issues. Spikes and dips from high 20's to 60 FPS. Once It's optimized I will decided to either SLI by GTX 550 or go for GTX 760, as the 760 price is not omgwtf. (wife would not approve of price higher than the price for 760)
    I'd look around and see what people say about SLI on that game. I don't know if it's one, but many games have issues with SLI, so a new, single-card setup might be better.

    Also, do you have VSync off?
    06-16-2014 12:13 PM
  24. radmanvr's Avatar
    VSync is per application and I have it off for Wild Star.

    Been doing a little reading its not the GPU that is the problem its the game itself. People with GTX 780 and i7 4770k are getting FPS dips into the low 20's. SLI works according to one Dev. At this point making any improvements in hardware will not land me an improvement in performance.
    06-16-2014 12:52 PM
  25. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Currently, playing Wild Star, they seem to have similar graphic demand as WoW.

    Wild Star is not very optimized currently and I am see performance issues. Spikes and dips from high 20's to 60 FPS. Once It's optimized I will decided to either SLI by GTX 550 or go for GTX 760, as the 760 price is not omgwtf. (wife would not approve of price higher than the price for 760)
    Both, your GTX 750 and the GTX 550, don't support SLI (according to nVidias support list). You should only go for SLI if you already own one of the GPUs and buying a second one is cheaper and offers the same performance as a single card. That is to say: SLI = 2 or more GPUs = more power consumption = more heat.

    If you have to get 2 new GPUs to run SLI you should rather look for a single card that offers the same performance for about the same/cheaper price.
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    06-16-2014 06:33 PM
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