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  1. Blacklac's Avatar
    SLI can often be a pain in the ****, too (glitches, driver & game support). I'd always opt for a single, powerful card over SLI.
    06-16-2014 05:36 PM
  2. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    SLI can often be a pain in the ****, too (glitches, driver & game support). I'd always opt for a single, powerful card over SLI.
    Yep, the bugs and driver issues (especially in games) are said to be real annoyance.

    Also, as I already mentioned: the additional powerconsumption is huge. A GTX 750 Ti has usually even on load very low power consumption. But with a second one in SLI the power consumption goes straight up. You can check it out yourself here -> eXtreme Power Supply Calculator (love this site for wattage calculation, offers more options than others).
    06-16-2014 05:44 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    VSync is per application and I have it off for Wild Star.

    Been doing a little reading its not the GPU that is the problem its the game itself. People with GTX 780 and i7 4770k are getting FPS dips into the low 20's. SLI works according to one Dev. At this point making any improvements in hardware will not land me an improvement in performance.
    I know it's per-application, I meant in the game.

    It's likely that those people are either cranking everything to max (something that would hurt high-end CPUs in WoW as well), or the game's just a mess, from a coding perspective. I'd say find settings that'll keep you around 60 FPS without the severe dips. In a busy area (like 25-man WoW raiding), the dips will always be there, I imagine, but it shouldn't be crippling your system if you lower the settings. Of course, if you find settings that'll hold the FPS up and look like crap, then you might consider new hardware.
    06-16-2014 06:15 PM
  4. radmanvr's Avatar
    They just released another optimization patch for Wild Star. It's a bit better than before I am able to achieve 40FPS stable with Shadows off and FXAA off.

    On WoW I was always 80FPS regardless of what I am doing except when I am going through dark tunnels which I will have about 120 FPS.

    Edit* I will most likely get a 750 ti or hell even 780 ti...... in a few years sigh them things are expensive.
    Last edited by radmanvr; 06-17-2014 at 12:26 PM.
    06-17-2014 07:14 AM
  5. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    So, now that the second new PC is assembled and Windows 8.1 installed I ran into a little problem: CPU/APU temps.

    I know that AMD's products get hotter than others (be it CPUs or GPUs). But 45-55C on idle with frequent peaks of 68-75C while only installing programs or browsing the web are quite too much. Also AMD doesn't seem to be able to implement temp-sensors/monitors that actually work. I already disabled Turbo and enabled Cool n Quiet but still no changes in temps. Another thing: the temps I get while "under load" (seriously, if web browsing is "heavy load" according to the temps then I don't know).....I'm kinda worried. Maybe today or tomorrow I'll replace the TIM with the one I ordered with the PC parts (Noctua NT-H1) but my expectations that it will work are not really high. An aftermarket CPU cooler would only be an option if it is mounted like the stock cooler (MoBo-to-MoBo tray-clearance seems insufficient and it doesn't have a cutout).

    Any ideas?
    06-18-2014 10:18 AM
  6. radmanvr's Avatar
    First thing I would check is thermal paste. I did a burn in test and my CPU hit 100c after I reapplied thermal it was better.
    06-19-2014 06:54 AM
  7. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    First thing I would check is thermal paste. I did a burn in test and my CPU hit 100c after I reapplied thermal it was better.
    Already have a Noctua NT-H1 but I need to buy some alcohol to clean the old thermal paste off. A new cooler is ordered as well (Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo, it has the same mounting mechanism as the stock cooler, so I don't have to uninstall the whole mobo to mount a backplate,...).

    Don't ask me how but I managed to get the temps while installing some games between 45-57C. Nothing compared to my i3-4130 but still better than before. I will replace the thermal paste and cooler anyway.
    06-19-2014 07:17 AM
  8. radmanvr's Avatar
    Most people suggest 99% alcohol to clean off thermal paste but did you know there is a thermal paste cleaner made specifically for thermal paste. That's what i use. It smells like orange cleaner.
    06-19-2014 09:51 AM
  9. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Most people suggest 99% alcohol to clean off thermal paste but did you know there is a thermal paste cleaner made specifically for thermal paste. That's what i use. It smells like orange cleaner.
    Do you mean those Arctic Silver ArctiClean 1&2 sets? Those are only 30ml for ~8€. So, I rather buy some isopropyl at the next pharmacy (I hope they have som 99% alcohol, the less watered down, the better).
    06-19-2014 10:18 AM
  10. radmanvr's Avatar
    I get mine for free I work at a server, switch and router manufacture.
    06-19-2014 11:22 AM
  11. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I get mine for free I work at a server, switch and router manufacture.
    That's always handy^^
    06-19-2014 11:27 AM
  12. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    My dad likes to use a razor blade, haha. Cut himself because he's a moron (scraping towards himself) when I was younger once. Had to get stitches and everything.

    SCRAPE AWAY FROM YOURSELF, PEOPLE.
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    06-19-2014 12:02 PM
  13. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    My dad likes to use a razor blade, haha. Cut himself because he's a moron (scraping towards himself) when I was younger once. Had to get stitches and everything.

    SCRAPE AWAY FROM YOURSELF, PEOPLE.
    A few weeks ago I read an article in a PC hardware magazine about seperating the CPU and renewing the TIM on the DIE. All this effort just to get a few degrees off....and risking to destroy your CPU -_-

    Seems that I can't post the YouTube video....my comment would be seen as "spam" by the stupid forum post thing -_-
    06-19-2014 12:15 PM
  14. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    People do it all the time with Ivy and Haswell stuff, delidding the processor. It can make or break your CPU for a high overclock, which is why they do it. Some will pop the lid (not hard to do, from what I've read), put a new TIM on, then place the lid on and clamp it (force of the cooler holds the lid on). Others will do a bare-die delid, where they just put the TIM on the die and put the cooler directly onto it, which gives a better drop in temps than putting the lid on.

    There are two schools of thought as to why delidding even works:

    1. Crap TIM from Intel
    2. The cavity in the lid is a bit too much, so the die and lid don't quite touch, meaning the heat doesn't transfer as well to the die and cooler. (more-accepted of late)
    06-19-2014 02:10 PM
  15. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I guess you lose all warranty by doing this procedure.

    Is this procedure really worth voiding your warranty for a few degrees?

    Kinda scary that a company like Intel doesn't get this right.
    06-19-2014 02:59 PM
  16. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I did hear about one guy who got his fried CPU replaced after delidding, though it's definitely not something to bank on. I mean, overclocking voids warranties as well, but this is a procedure done by the enthusiast crowd, those willing to take the risk. I'm certainly not going to do it as I don't need to OC my CPU to hellish temps and delid to make up for it. I'm just on the Internet, wasting time.
    06-19-2014 04:26 PM
  17. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    So, if overclocking voids your warranty, why are AMD and Intel selling CPUs that are supposed and especially made for overclocking? O.o
    06-19-2014 05:10 PM
  18. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    So, if overclocking voids your warranty, why are AMD and Intel selling CPUs that are supposed and especially made for overclocking? O.o
    IDK if it's against AMD's policy. Intel sells a $25 OC warranty though.
    06-19-2014 06:17 PM
  19. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    IDK if it's against AMD's policy. Intel sells a $25 OC warranty though.
    That's just ridiculous xD What's next? Smartphone manufacturers selling warranties for when you want to use a 3rd party app?

    Damn, I should get back on writing again on the first page *bad conscience*

    Edit: Got myself some nice 40ml Isopropyl. Now just waiting for the new CPU cooler for the AMD APU to get shipped.
    Last edited by QwarkDreams; 06-20-2014 at 03:22 AM.
    06-19-2014 06:57 PM
  20. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I know I'm way behind on updating this thread (first post). I have a Word doc that I'm updating from time to time but as long as I haven't finished it you can look at this thread from LinusTechTips.com by the member Windspeed36. It's a very detailed and simple do-it-yourself guide. I really recommend that one.
    DIY PC - General Discussion - Linus Tech Tips

    If you want videos that show how to put the parts together you can search YouTube for videos from Austin Evans (he also has a few build lists/videos from low budget to mid-range, all for gaming purpose https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...7TpUqTu5W3luqr), LinusTechTips (more on the expensive side, but one or two value builds too https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...29Gt4578XfgJm_) or others like TimmyTechTV, iamApropos or TekSyndicate.

    If you're not sure if the parts will fit together, PCPartPicker.com has a feature that only lists parts that are compatible (if you pick an i3 Haswell CPU it will only show you motherboards with LGA1150 sockets that fit, etc.). They might not show you all available components, but the most common ones.

    I hope that I can finish the guide before university start again, hence the lack of time then.

    If you still have questions feel free to send me a message or post your question in http://forums.windowscentral.com/pc-...onsulting.html .
    09-16-2014 01:41 PM
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