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10-06-2009 01:57 AM
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  1. c1oudrs's Avatar
    After using the current version of Iris (1.1.3 I think), its definately a good idea for me to do a soft reset as after using Iris my phone becomes unstable. I'll click on a program and I'll get stuck in the search pattern.
    03-11-2009 05:15 AM
  2. kraski's Avatar
    Browser is a big part of the Internet process (apple got that, microsoft is still struggling with the concept). So its been nice to see other people's views an the browser redfly combo. Good job with the thread.
    I agree. Great thread. But I think I'm the one whose mileage has varied. :-)

    On standalone phone, Skyfire & Opera mini tie, IE second. On Redfly, Iris & Opera mini tie, IE second. I've used Opera 8 & 9, both on PC & phone -- they do things differently enough that I wasn't impressed enough with the results to keep them. Never tried netfront. Bolt is functional on standalone phone, navigational nightmare on Redfly -- using finger or stylus works on the phone, mouse or trackpad on Redfly are counter to useful (page moves opposite to the pointer).

    I think I like IE as much as I do because functioning is familiar. So, I can do things quickly or do more complex navigation more easily. No learning curve necessary.
    03-11-2009 10:24 AM
  3. laurieny's Avatar
    Our CEO just sent out an interesting link that I thought at least those on this thread might find interesting.

    http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archi...ng_mobile.html

    What he is attempting to do - looking at all the browsers on multiple OSs on a bunch of phones - sounds really hard.

    Wait...that is what we do.

    :-)

    -Laurie

    Director of Engineering
    Celio Corp | REDFLY
    03-11-2009 10:09 PM
  4. dsteinschneider#AC's Avatar
    One browser not mentioned yet is IE 7 (Could just as easily be Firefox 3.06). I took an old P4 running XP Pro that we had retired and optimized IE 7 for the Redfly by removing the toolbars and status bars and hiding the menu bar to maximize the browser itself. This computer has no monitor connected and sits in a closet. I edited the Remote Desktop port and forwarded that port to the machine. Very good for text and image - not so great for video. It also runs QuickBooks.

    For onboard browsing I use Opera mini as default, Skyfire for multimedia and Opera beta.
    03-16-2009 08:58 PM
  5. flyemhighrockets's Avatar
    I preferred the sky fire browser is work great for me on the redfly and on the blackjack 2 it has been a great browser for me and I have no problem watching the YouTube videos. sky fire is cool check it out.
    03-25-2009 10:16 AM
  6. graham.hughes's Avatar
    The main problem with using WinMob browsers on the RedFly is that they're too touchy. I want to use the browser zoomed-out, I want keyboard shortcuts, and I want scroll bars! So, I find myself using IE quite a lot. For heavier sites where IE stumbles, I'm increasingly using Iris. It's pretty rough around the edges, but it's getting better.
    03-28-2009 06:44 AM
  7. Bill R's Avatar
    The main problem with using WinMob browsers on the RedFly is that they're too touchy. I want to use the browser zoomed-out, I want keyboard shortcuts, and I want scroll bars!
    Amen, Brother! I also want my scroll wheel to work, but I probably wont ever get that.
    03-28-2009 07:43 AM
  8. JM99's Avatar
    I usually use opera mini. Fast, but limited. You can get rid of the annoying connection promts using g-funkster's app here:

    http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6...tml#post656281

    Also the thread has links for short-cuts to open java and opera-mini.
    04-05-2009 10:34 AM
  9. mknollman's Avatar
    Without going thru some wierd hackaround - just go to http://mini.opera.com?alt=1&rel=4 and choose the top choice (multiple certificates) - this allows it to show up as a "signed" version. I am not sure why this is not the preferred automatic download, but it is the best version by far.

    I too love and still rely on Opera Mini. I really want Opera Mini to do cut-paste and also wish it didnt have to use those stupid 'enter text" boxes ( I am in one right now ). But overall, still the fastest and overall most usable browser. It also has VERY nice size changes that get you right at desktop type resolution and allows clicking links without zooming (seems to be a recurring issue - skyfire, opera mobile and iris)
    04-07-2009 07:19 PM
  10. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Iris is now becoming my browser of choice, for anything that won't work well in IE. It's getting faster and more stable, retains zoom level (so I can work completely in "page width" zoom), no need to zoom in to select a link, and has good site compatibility. with clear type, you can view the full page width, and it's nicely readable on the Redfly's screen. You can now click-and-hold to get an option to open a link in another tab. (The delay is a little longer than you might expect, and lacks the WinMob ring of dots cue.) Text box entry still needs some work, but is... functional. Scroll bars disappear, but pgup and pgdn work.

    If you haven't used Iris for a couple of versions, I recommend giving it a go.

    Cheers,
    Graham.
    04-11-2009 07:26 AM
  11. kraski's Avatar
    If you haven't used Iris for a couple of versions, I recommend giving it a go.
    Agreed. It's now my primary browser on my Treo Pro. The last update took Iris to a whole new level.
    04-12-2009 09:35 PM
  12. mknollman's Avatar
    WOW - you guys aren't lying, the new version of Iris is a giant leap in the right direction. If I get a chance, I will update the lead post the include this info. Thanks for the update, I had almost written Iris off.

    I am going to keep messing with it, but I surfed on it for about 3 housr today during a PAINFUL class I am attending (taking notes on the RF ofcourse). It behaved very well. It cannot match Opera Mini for speed, but it does not use server-side rendering so this is to be expected. I noticed that once it had cookies for my favorite sites, it would load them almost as fast as my home PC - very impressive.

    It has added a "fit to screen" zoom setting that seems as if it were made for the Redfly, and it fixes all above-mentioned issues with the pan and zoom controls. This view along with pgup and pgdown for scrolling is actually quite usable and comfortable. Still wish there was a way to toggle on scroll bars, but this works well as is.
    Last edited by mknollman; 04-14-2009 at 10:55 PM.
    04-14-2009 10:46 PM
  13. mknollman's Avatar
    In addition to all the updates there is a new player in the browser game - UCWEB - horrible name but intriguing browser.

    I just read about and installed it and at first glance it seems pretty nice. Similar to opera mini in speed and behavior but without the annoying java bed. It also adds some of the pined over but simple options that Mini lacks - tabs, some cut-paste, and a much more customizable interface. Best of all - they kept the scroll bars, but made them optional as we mentioned above - it is almost as though they read this thread.

    I need to try it out a lot more before I add anything else here, but once I find the right settings to make things best for the Fly I will post them. Give it a shot and share what you think - IT IS FAST!!!
    04-16-2009 09:54 PM
  14. Bill R's Avatar
    Note: This is not a Redfly Issue.

    I just had a horrible experience with browsers. I was on vacation and trying to upload a photo from my phone to a forum (SMF). None of the browsers would let me do it in a normal manner.

    Opera Mini: Wouldn't let me browse my device insisting I needed another version.

    Opera 9.5(?): Just would not do it (don't recall exactly why).

    Iris: The file browser wouldn't let me select my file. Add to that, it would not see my DCIM directory on my storage card. Had to put the file in the root. And it still would not let me pick it (every time I did, it would go blank).

    PIE: WAP, no option to select upload picture.

    UCWeb: would never connect

    Minimo: Finally was able to upload the picture using Minimo even though it uses the same file browser as Iris. Still would not see my DCIM directory, but I had already copied the file to root).

    Unless PIE7 is a lot better, I may have to forgo WinMob 6.5. Hopefully Celio will put out drivers for other devices soon (IPhone, Blackberry or Android).
    04-27-2009 11:06 AM
  15. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Fennec: looks really cool. Pity it doesn't work. First time I ran it, I was able to view a couple of pages. Subsequent times, I was able to type in a url and watch nothing happen. It appears to work with the RF, but I only tried the RF the second time I ran Fennec, so I couldn't actually do anything.

    What I could tell from the brief time it worked:

    1. The UI is very dependent on touch and drag. You have to drag left and right to get tool bars to appear. The address bar is attached to the top of the page (not the top of the screen), so you have to drag the page down all the way before you can navigate.

    2. Suitably for the RF, it seems to be fixed-zoomed to suit a width of 800 pixels. I couldn't figure out how to change the zoom.

    3. No scroll bars (not even the kind Opera Mobile has, to indicate what part of the document you're looking at).

    4. It seemed to need a very short tap on a link to navigate. Annoying if you've become used to Iris's need for a slightly lingering tap. Doesn't appear to be a tap-and-hold option.

    5. Tabbed, but I couldn't figure out how to open a link in a new tab.

    Didn't have chance to try anything complicated (like posting on a forum, for example).

    Cheers,
    Graham.
    05-01-2009 09:57 AM
  16. mknollman's Avatar
    Quick update - check out Mach5 browser
    05-17-2009 09:46 AM
  17. graham.hughes's Avatar
    This is horrendous news. The usefulness of the RedFly drops significantly without a decent browser. Iris is sooo much better that either IE or Opera.

    Graham.
    08-24-2009 12:04 PM
  18. kraski's Avatar
    Quick update - check out Mach5 browser
    Interesting combination of red flags. First you have to electronically agree that they have no responsibility if the 7 day trial version hoses your phone. Then they warn you that 1) it doesn't work on all WM phones (not telling you which ones have tested OK), 2) that it may not work right outside Hong Kong & 3) they offer QVGA & VGA versions, but after 1 & 2, I'm uncertain how they'd define each. Every once in awhile, somebody will decide my 320x320 Treo Pro is VGA, not QVGA, while the rest of the world thinks otherwise. And these guys don't seem to want to make that clear from the start. And their pricing is another interesting flag -- you can buy a 30 day, 90 day or 1 year subscription?!? A years use of going through their servers (free with most other server anchored browsers) for about $30 USD a year, repeated annually, more expensive if you do smaller than 1 year increments. Too many questions & possible issues that I don't have time to research, for me to take a chance on it.
    08-25-2009 12:24 AM
  19. graham.hughes's Avatar
    If they only offer "VGA" and "QVGA", I'd say they haven't tested it on a 320x320 device, since it's neither. VGA is always 640x480, and QVGA is 320x240.

    I agree... I have no intention of subscribing to a browser. I'd have been quite happy to pay for a production version of Iris.

    Perhaps Dorothy will be the answer...?
    08-25-2009 07:20 AM
  20. kraski's Avatar
    If they only offer "VGA" and "QVGA", I'd say they haven't tested it on a 320x320 device, since it's neither. VGA is always 640x480, and QVGA is 320x240.

    I agree... I have no intention of subscribing to a browser. I'd have been quite happy to pay for a production version of Iris.

    Perhaps Dorothy will be the answer...?
    I agree that 320x320 is neither. But most apps that will function on a 320x320 device usually include it in the QVGA version. A few call 320x320 on up VGA.

    Dorothy looks interesting. Very fast & nice screen. The only niggle I have, so far, is that the controls are huge on a 320x320 screen. They need to scale to screen size &/or disappear when not needed.
    08-25-2009 09:44 AM
  21. graham.hughes's Avatar
    I think the Dorothy docs do say that it's beta, and currently 800x480 only. You need a new phone! ;)
    08-26-2009 12:47 PM
  22. kraski's Avatar
    I think the Dorothy docs do say that it's beta, and currently 800x480 only. You need a new phone! ;)
    Didn't see any docs, so I missed that one. The web pages display OK, though. And, since you recognized my need for a new phone with more appropriate display, you're buying it for me, right? ;)
    08-26-2009 04:10 PM
  23. mknollman's Avatar
    Well, as the creator of this thread I hate to answer it this way, but here it goes: there is no browser for the Redfly that is really good enough. I hope this thread serves as a resource to those who choose a Redfly, but I gave in. Turns out the best browser is the one on my netbook - it actually works - with no qualifying statements or disclaimers.

    I hads loads of fun tinkering and tweaking my C8 to get it to limp through the functionality that I needed, but in the end Celio's own statements are true: the Redfly should remain aimed at the enterprise crowd. When I got tired of tinkering and wanted it to just work it would not. For me, I like my cheaper more functional netbook with a 6cell battery that offers the same usage. Put that together with pdanet or another tethering app that circumvents the tethering fee and I am happy. Glad I sold my Fly and paid for my netbook with the proceeds.
    10-06-2009 01:57 AM
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