11-16-2009 11:12 AM
65 123
tools
  1. graham.hughes's Avatar
    http://www.designingspaces.tv/show_segment.php?id=332

    Does it really work with BB and Android??
    08-05-2009 11:48 AM
  2. anon159272's Avatar
    http://www.designingspaces.tv/show_segment.php?id=332

    Does it really work with BB and Android??
    They've had notes about BB and Android on the web site for awhile, so assuming there's no "TV Magic" going on in that clip, they must have a reasonably functional beta at this point, though all they showed was one spreadsheet on the BB being pulled up and there did not appear to be any menu items (just the spreadsheet graphics). I don't use a BB so I'm not sure if that's just how it works.

    One thing I notice is that in the clip, things load on the Redfly about 10 times faster than they do on mine. I'm on a Sprint Touch Pro, and the performance (even USB) is so slow it's almost painful at times. If the Experia is that much faster, maybe I should switch. :) (edit: this is after a fresh hard reset)

    Thanks for posting, that's a good find.
    08-05-2009 04:19 PM
  3. ckj's Avatar
    Yeah, the Sony Xperia is wicked fast. If you're a WM guy and have the cash, you'll love it on REDFLY.

    That Designing Spaces tv show aired a bit sooner than we thought. The BlackBerry/Android drivers you saw in use there are still not released yet, but they are real and we're getting closer to releasing them.

    The scene at the end in the Kitchen shows the daughter in the midst of sending/receiving text messages in real time on a G1 (well, technically it's a Google Dev1 unlocked phone) that's sitting on the counter connected to her REDFLY over Bluetooth - but it's kind of hard to tell from the video angle what's going on.

    Although both Android and BlackBerry are pretty far along in the development cycle, you'll most likely see BlackBerry get released first.

    We'll have some announcements around this likely in the next 30-60 days.
    08-05-2009 05:35 PM
  4. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Is there any specific reason why you're not targetting Symbian? It's still the biggest smart-phone platform, and Microsoft's announcement of a forthcoming Office for Symbian makes it more interesting for business users.

    I've never been a fan of Series 60, but Nokia recently let me have a 5800 (touchscreen S60), and it's actually quite nice. With some "office" apps and a Redfly, I might even consider using it! :)

    Graham.
    08-21-2009 09:23 AM
  5. anon159272's Avatar
    It might be because they are targeting the U.S. market; Symbian is practically unheard-of around here. There may be technical considerations too; an article I read indicated that the actual user interface layer of a Symbian phone is distinct from the core "OS" layer (this may be old information, if it is correct at all). It might be that trying to develop a consistent driver for such a moving target would produce diminishing returns.

    Just random "Friday morning coffee" thoughts.
    08-21-2009 10:47 AM
  6. graham.hughes's Avatar
    In the rest of the world, Nokia ships ten times more devices than HTC.

    Symbian: yes, it comes in two flavours. Same core OS, but different UIs - Series 60 and UIQ. UIQ mainly exists on some Sony Ericsson devices, and a couple of Motorolas. All Nokias use Series 60 (it being Nokia's platform). Sony Ericsson, Samsung, LG and Panasonic also have Series 60 devices. Sony Ericsson appear to be moving away from UIQ.

    There are certainly remote-viewer apps, so it's not beyond the realms of practicality. Maybe it doesn't handle changes in screen size...?
    08-21-2009 01:39 PM
  7. redbird's Avatar
    I have been using a Treo Pro on my redfly and just recently had a chance to try out a Blackberry Curve. I was shocked at how much faster the browser was on the BB.

    That brings me to believe it would be a better phone to use with the redfly. Any update on when there will be a way to make the BB work on the Redfly?
    09-12-2009 10:00 AM
  8. ckj's Avatar
    We can talk about BlackBerry a bit more starting today. We still haven't announced a release date (other than mid-Q4), but I'm guessing somewhere in mid to late Oct if not sooner - but there are a lot of factors involved so that's just a guess.

    Here's the first video if you want to see it in action.

    Also a first press release.

    redbird, we'll only support the Curve 8900, Bold 9000 and Tour 9630 on launch. There are a lot of pros and cons of BlackBerry vs. WM so in addition to the browser you need to consider other things. I'm going to shoot a newer video next week showing the latest update to the driver which is faster (less lag time) than what you see in this video. I'll make sure to show more of the browsing experience.
    09-16-2009 01:31 AM
  9. Wireless's Avatar
    Engadget has also just posted a bit of video and comment. Below is a link to see what they have to say (It is minimal)

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/16/v...companion-add/
    09-16-2009 07:55 PM
  10. redbird's Avatar
    I have actually seen the video at Crackberry.com. I noticed the lag but it is very bad using my Treo Pro. With the new Opera browser perhaps it will even be a better match on the BB

    Thanks for the reply and update
    09-17-2009 05:51 AM
  11. sixftunda's Avatar
    Well for me personally, this is now a huge disappointment. The original Redfly will not be compatible with BB. I gots me a big ole brick!
    09-28-2009 04:36 PM
  12. anon159272's Avatar
    Well for me personally, this is now a huge disappointment. The original Redfly will not be compatible with BB. I gots me a big ole brick!
    I wouldn't assume that just because only the C8N and C7 are mentioned, that the C8 is specifically excluded. I believe it was excluded from mention simply because it is not being sold anymore. Would wait to hear from Celio specifically on whether C8 users will enjoy BB compatibility.
    09-29-2009 11:55 AM
  13. redbird's Avatar
    Uhmmm. I have a C8 so I hope so too.
    09-29-2009 08:09 PM
  14. BengtBeier's Avatar
    I wouldn't assume that just because only the C8N and C7 are mentioned, that the C8 is specifically excluded. I believe it was excluded from mention simply because it is not being sold anymore. Would wait to hear from Celio specifically on whether C8 users will enjoy BB compatibility.
    Sorry to say that but I definitely read somewhere that the C8 will NOT be supported - which by the way I find pretty disappointing, considering that one of the major selling points for the Redfly was that you could expect it to cover more and more phones over time and not be bound to one modell or OS.

    I feel this is a move that Celio should really rethink because it's bound to drive away loyal costumers. More so, because I can't see any reasonable technical obstacle why the C8 would be incompatible with Blackberry if the C8N isn't.
    09-30-2009 04:16 AM
  15. redbird's Avatar
    What say you, Colin? Please clear this up for us.
    09-30-2009 05:56 AM
  16. anon159272's Avatar
    Sorry to say that but I definitely read somewhere that the C8 will NOT be supported - which by the way I find pretty disappointing, considering that one of the major selling points for the Redfly was that you could expect it to cover more and more phones over time and not be bound to one modell or OS.

    I feel this is a move that Celio should really rethink because it's bound to drive away loyal costumers. More so, because I can't see any reasonable technical obstacle why the C8 would be incompatible with Blackberry if the C8N isn't.
    If that's true then I completely agree with you. I've watched the videos and read all the articles, and while I'll admit my reading comprehension is the worst of the worst, I didn't happen to see anything specific about C8 not being supported going forward. That doesn't mean it wasn't there, just that I didn't notice it. I assumed the post I replied to was referring to the fact that only currently-selling Redfly products were mentioned in the literature.

    Please post a link to where you saw the information about the C8 not being supported.

    Rumors abound these days in forums like this, unfortunately.
    10-01-2009 12:21 PM
  17. BengtBeier's Avatar
    If that's true then I completely agree with you. I've watched the videos and read all the articles, and while I'll admit my reading comprehension is the worst of the worst, I didn't happen to see anything specific about C8 not being supported going forward. That doesn't mean it wasn't there, just that I didn't notice it. I assumed the post I replied to was referring to the fact that only currently-selling Redfly products were mentioned in the literature.

    Please post a link to where you saw the information about the C8 not being supported.

    Rumors abound these days in forums like this, unfortunately.
    The FAQ on Celio's blog (http://blog.celiocorp.com/2009/09/17...rry-on-redfly/) states this:

    "Q: Can I use the REDFLY I already own with a BlackBerry?
    A: [...] The two currently available REDFLY models (the C7 and C8N) will be compatible with BlackBerry devices. [...] The original REDFLY Mobile Companion model C8 sold until November 2008 will not support a BlackBerry connection."
    anon159272 likes this.
    10-02-2009 03:55 AM
  18. anon159272's Avatar
    Well there you go...I stand corrected, and thank you for finding that reference. Dang...
    10-02-2009 09:30 AM
  19. jwebb56's Avatar
    Wonder what else the original C8 will not support in the future. I sure hope it can support a WM6.5 phone as that is what I will be running soon (EPIX upgrade has been promised).
    10-02-2009 06:06 PM
  20. graham.hughes's Avatar
    I think if it can't support 6.5, then a lot of C8s are going in the bin... to be replaced with netbooks, and not with new redflies.
    10-03-2009 01:58 PM
  21. redbird's Avatar
    Yes. Indeed. I already purchased a netbook and air card. It wakes up almost as fast as I can get the redfly running on bluetooth.
    10-03-2009 03:40 PM
  22. jwebb56's Avatar
    I agree. I will be moving to WM6.5 as us Epix owners really have no choice. At that point if I can't use the C8 it will go on ebay and be replaced by a Netbook. Some of the newer Netbooks are compact, have good specs and cost only a little more than a Redfly.
    10-03-2009 05:38 PM
  23. mknollman's Avatar
    I was a die hard redfly fan, but over time I got tired of tinkering with it. Once the "new" wore off (after almost 9 months) I got myself a refurb acer aspire one for $230 and then sold my C8 on ebay about 2 weeks ago.

    My redfly served me well for the time I had it, but my netbook running windows 7 and set to autologin smokes it for connect time (thanks to having to wait for touchflo to shut off). I kept both devices for a while and weighed the pros and cons, but in the end there were no real pro left for the Fly other than security - well I still keep all my sensitive info on the phone or in the cloud, so that is not an issue eiither. A 6-cell battery gets my 7 solid hours of battery life - wow. Add pdanet or another tether program that gets around the tethering fee.and the Redfly just doesnt do it for me anymore.

    The really ironic thing is this: I was the guy arguing the other side of this issue for months. I have come around. When I want a phone and a phone app - I love my TP2. When I want a PC and real apps, I want a PC and that is that.

    Thanks Celio for a great device and great accessibility and support on this forum, but in the end the solution you offer is not the one for me (anymore at least). I am on my netbook now and I LOVE THIS THING!
    anon159272 likes this.
    10-03-2009 09:29 PM
  24. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Cost benefits evapourate if you have to buy a new model every time you get a new phone. And with the death of the Iris browser, I'm not hopeful for the browsing experience to improve much in the near future.

    Well... 6.5 is with us in a couple of days... let's see what Celio produce for us...
    10-04-2009 06:08 AM
  25. badersk's Avatar
    My C8 is acting up and It is out of warranty, I like it for the instant on factor but I also have a netbook and wireless card from work so I don't think I will upgrade to the C8N especially if it does not support 6.5
    10-04-2009 04:01 PM
65 123
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD