[nube_android]

What makes you think iOS is the worst to develop for? The system requirements aren't nearly as steep as they are for WP8. Last I checked it supports Snow Leopard (2 versions behind the current OSX version) and any Intel processor back to the Core line. Contrast that with WP8 that requires Win8 and Nehalem or later.

Maybe because objective C is crap?

[thed]

Maybe because objective C is crap?

Why, exactly? Have you ever developed in objective C before?

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

Okay guys, I can see this is potentially going towards lots of insults being hurled back and forth. Watch what you say. I aren't afraid to hand out infractions if people don't conform to the rules.

[tungha]

Maybe because objective C is crap?

I don't think Objective C is crap but actually i'm moving from WP to iOS (i'm a developer) and I realize that Obj-C is the strongest language in comparing with Android (java) and Windows Phone (.NET). Why i said that, it's because i can easily move the C/C++ library, code,...to Objective C without any issue, luckily WP now can do this too. Furthermore, I don't know how to explain but the Obj-C gives the developer the most inspiration when you code, everything's clean and MVC so that you can transfer your code and do the unit test very well. Who never learnt Obj-C before may not understand and to be honest, I think C#/VB... is not the good one to developer the apps. I love to use the MVC rather than MVVM, I don't complain the Visual Studio sucks, in fact, it's much more better than XCode (keep eating my memory).

What I think about Microsoft and WP developing is that they're really strict in the requirements of Visual Studio 2012, I love to port my iOS apps to WP and don't mind about the difficulty but I really DON'T KNOW why Microsoft requires such a painful requirements like that: Windows 8? (I'm owning a Surface to experience it enough and I don't want to pay money to buy the Windows 8 license to install to my Macbook) and even if I can install Windows 8 to my Macbook, it's still require the Hyper-V in order to install WP8 SDK. Let's face the truth that this's really annoying and preventing developers like us to develop apps for WP8.

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

I don't think Objective C is crap but actually i'm moving from WP to iOS (i'm a developer) and I realize that Obj-C is the strongest language in comparing with Android (java) and Windows Phone (.NET). Why i said that, it's because i can easily move the C/C++ library, code,...to Objective C without any issue, luckily WP now can do this too. Furthermore, I don't know how to explain but the Obj-C gives the developer the most inspiration when you code, everything's clean and MVC so that you can transfer your code and do the unit test very well. Who never learnt Obj-C before may not understand and to be honest, I think C#/VB... is not the good one to developer the apps. I love to use the MVC rather than MVVM, I don't complain the Visual Studio sucks, in fact, it's much more better than XCode (keep eating my memory).

What I think about Microsoft and WP developing is that they're really strict in the requirements of Visual Studio 2012, I love to port my iOS apps to WP and don't mind about the difficulty but I really DON'T KNOW why Microsoft requires such a painful requirements like that: Windows 8? (I'm owning a Surface to experience it enough and I don't want to pay money to buy the Windows 8 license to install to my Macbook) and even if I can install Windows 8 to my Macbook, it's still require the Hyper-V in order to install WP8 SDK. Let's face the truth that this's really annoying and preventing developers like us to develop apps for WP8.

Just a heads up, Hyper-V works without issue on my MacBook Pro machine running Windows 8. So you should be OK

[tungha]

Just a heads up, Hyper-V works without issue on my MacBook Pro machine running Windows 8. So you should be OK

I just noticed that I didn't enable it from the Windows Features, thanks!

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

I just noticed that I didn't enable it from the Windows Features, thanks!

ha whoops. Don't worry though I've made that mistake loads myself. Annoying isn't it?

[tungha]

ha whoops. Don't worry though I've made that mistake loads myself. Annoying isn't it?

Yup, now I can start to port some of my favorite apps to Windows Phone 8, let's start with some video player library to test the native code of WP8 SDK :D

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

Yup, now I can start to port some of my favorite apps to Windows Phone 8, let's start with some video player library to test the native code of WP8 SDK :D

Ah cool! Looking forward to some of your apps. Don't forget our developer program. I'm midway through a radio project myself, just need to find some time to get back into the code.

[tungha]

Ah cool! Looking forward to some of your apps. Don't forget our developer program. I'm midway through a radio project myself, just need to find some time to get back into the code.

i just got a Nokia Developer Premium Account, so there'll be no problem with the developing stuff :) I'll spend sometimes at night to do some research on the SDK

[thed]

Okay guys, I can see this is potentially going towards lots of insults being hurled back and forth. Watch what you say. I aren't afraid to hand out infractions if people don't conform to the rules.

If this is about me, let me explain that I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I'm a fan of C#, and C# development is a big part of my job, but in the (admittedly limited) time I've spent with objective C it struck me as a pretty good language to work with. But maybe that's because I have a background in C++. I'm curious as to why people don't like objective C.

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

If this is about me, let me explain that I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I'm a fan of C#, and C# development is a big part of my job, but in the (admittedly limited) time I've spent with objective C it struck me as a pretty good language to work with. But maybe that's because I have a background in C++. I'm curious as to why people don't like objective C.

Don't worry. I can understand having an inquiring mind. Gotta admit, I find XCode messy. Maybe the Visual Studio tools are just more amateur friendly. I personally find VS easier than XC.

[cammsaul]

I started doing WP development after a couple years doing iOS dev full time. I think language-wise C# and Objective-C both have pros and cons but WP UI development is a lot easier. On iOS I end up doing a lot of complex drawing and layout stuff in Objective-C that I could have done in XAML on Windows Phone.

Both WP and iOS are much nicer to develop for than Android though.

What I'm really waiting for though is the day when I can just write everything in Clojure ;)

[nube_android]

I started doing WP development after a couple years doing iOS dev full time. I think language-wise C# and Objective-C both have pros and cons but WP UI development is a lot easier. On iOS I end up doing a lot of complex drawing and layout stuff in Objective-C that I could have done in XAML on Windows Phone.

Both WP and iOS are much nicer to develop for than Android though.

What I'm really waiting for though is the day when I can just write everything in Clojure ;)

I take back what I said about objective C. Its just not as nice as C# or C++. But we all know the worst IDE and language....
Java
Exclipse
Total nightmares.