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  1. Drael646464's Avatar
    It was a hardware point of view that I was thinking of when I made the comment of the lines being blurred. Some of the diehard fans on either side of the console debate need to start realizing that they are essentially PCs, now, with a semi specific task in mind.
    Well in that case, the PS is more like a PC as well. And yes, you are right they are specialized PCs. However this makes perfect sense, all the graphics and tech innovation is in PC, and otherwise, it'd be very hard for the r&d for consoles to keep up.

    However they are cleverly specialized PCs. They have a smaller form factor than devices with similar power have, and use less power (watts), whilst having serious graphics chops, and a good media focus, and some specialized input devices.

    It would be quite hard to replicate the exact same thing, even on the hardware level, with a pure PC. There is hades canyon, but it doesn't have a bluray drive or as powerful GPU hardware.

    It's an interesting notion though; it would be cool if someone made something PC that was more console like. What if we could get something like the xbox, but actually just a PC? All that compact power and media capability, with just windows 10. I think a lot of geekier people would be into that.

    Myself I'm using a miniPC barebones by ASUS as my PC. Doesn't game quite as well as a dedicated GPU, but it still games enough for my interests (as I said early I don't FPS, I like racing, top down rpg, platformers, puzzlers, and story driven stuff).

    The compact form factor, low power useage, and low noise are very nice compared to a desktop. The strides that have been made in mobile chipsets in general, consider me a convert to the whole mini thing. And I don't think they need to be just for offices given mobile dedicated GPUs have also improved with gaming laptops. Cleaner for the living room, easier to deal with space wise. So if there was an 'xbox but PC' I'd probably be interested.

    They should consider making a 'desktop windows' variant of the xbox. I doubt it would sell amazingly, but it would make a profit. If you built it with an IR remote, and sold it with controllers, people could build their own third-party launchers for it, for netflix, kodi, games etc.
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    06-18-2019 01:31 AM
  2. pkcable's Avatar
    I replied to your other post, but I guess it's too long. It's waiting for moderation approval.

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    Yea looked like our filters got a little overzealous! I approved the original and deleted the copy. :) Sorry about that!
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  3. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Myself I'm using a miniPC barebones by ASUS as my PC.
    Sounds like you have a good set up for your needs. Some of those mini PCs with the mobile BGA chips can do quite well for some games.

    It's an interesting notion though; it would be cool if someone made something PC that was more console like.
    Well, a few examples:




    Now, the downside to small form factor (SFF) PCs is your cable management usually has to be so spot on, it isn't even funny. There is no wasted space in SFF that sometimes even shorter custom cables might be needed. But, both of those cases can hold the same power as a full desktop PC. The Fractal Design Node 202 has been something I would like to build. I haven't gotten around to it because the storage limitations that are physically restricted by the case. I mean, it can be done, but that would be a media PC for me as opposed to a gaming one.
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    06-18-2019 08:25 PM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    Sounds like you have a good set up for your needs. Some of those mini PCs with the mobile BGA chips can do quite well for some games.



    Well, a few examples:




    Now, the downside to small form factor (SFF) PCs is your cable management usually has to be so spot on, it isn't even funny. There is no wasted space in SFF that sometimes even shorter custom cables might be needed. But, both of those cases can hold the same power as a full desktop PC. The Fractal Design Node 202 has been something I would like to build. I haven't gotten around to it because the storage limitations that are physically restricted by the case. I mean, it can be done, but that would be a media PC for me as opposed to a gaming one.
    Yeah I've got just the asus pn61. It's the fastest i7 15TDP out atm (although i'm sure that'll be beat by the next gen), i7-8565U (4 cores, 1.8ghz base, 4.6ghz boost). I'm going to be running on offgrid solar next year, so power to power ratio was key. The processor is tight, handles writing music like a boss for eg which is big cpu use.

    Good for cpu intensive games too. GPU is just a UHD 620, but those mobile gpus are getting better and better, so it's alright. Could have opted for the thunderbolt version of the asus if I wanted more, but it does the job I need gaming wise. Some third person like tomb raider, gta, assasins creed etc, and top down action rpg/tactic rpgs, puzzlers and 2.5d platformers mostly.

    I cap the cpu slightly (95%) because if I let the leash out fully, it gets close to 100 degrees celcius under load (it's max temp), and the fan is pretty average too so starts to hum, and I like it quiet. Being use the desktop chipsets, IDK if that's normal but that was my instinct. Honestly I'd switch the fan for something with coolant bearing heat pipes and a fancier fan so I can let it rip, but I feel like these barebones are a bit proprietary and IDK if that can even be done. Where it is, is okay.

    Unfortunately people rarely mod this sort of thing, so I wouldn't know where to get information on that.
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    That node case is dope as, with the horizontal/vertical shift for the graphics card, that's compact as for full desktop power in itx form. Very sweet.

    You can get 2tbs intel m.2's cheap as chips on amazon etc. asus itx z370-i is dual m.2, so you could pack 4tb in there without taking up jack space. 4tb should be fine for gaming no? I got games, media, and still have about 1tb left out of 3tb. 5TB backup drive for extra unused goodies and backups, and that should be enough?

    On thing I noticed running NVME m.2 is they run hot. Full write/read I get around 70 degrees. In future builds I'd probably get the heatsinks, because quite often it's the hottest thing in the box.
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    06-19-2019 04:11 AM
  5. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Yeah I've got just the asus pn61. It's the fastest i7 15TDP out atm (although i'm sure that'll be beat by the next gen), i7-8565U (4 cores, 1.8ghz base, 4.6ghz boost). I'm going to be running on offgrid solar next year, so power to power ratio was key. The processor is tight, handles writing music like a boss for eg which is big cpu use.

    Good for cpu intensive games too. GPU is just a UHD 620, but those mobile gpus are getting better and better, so it's alright. Could have opted for the thunderbolt version of the asus if I wanted more, but it does the job I need gaming wise. Some third person like tomb raider, gta, assasins creed etc, and top down action rpg/tactic rpgs, puzzlers and 2.5d platformers mostly.

    I cap the cpu slightly (95%) because if I let the leash out fully, it gets close to 100 degrees celcius under load (it's max temp), and the fan is pretty average too so starts to hum, and I like it quiet. Being use the desktop chipsets, IDK if that's normal but that was my instinct. Honestly I'd switch the fan for something with coolant bearing heat pipes and a fancier fan so I can let it rip, but I feel like these barebones are a bit proprietary and IDK if that can even be done. Where it is, is okay.

    Unfortunately people rarely mod this sort of thing, so I wouldn't know where to get information on that.
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    That node case is dope as, with the horizontal/vertical shift for the graphics card, that's compact as for full desktop power in itx form. Very sweet.

    You can get 2tbs intel m.2's cheap as chips on amazon etc. asus itx z370-i is dual m.2, so you could pack 4tb in there without taking up jack space. 4tb should be fine for gaming no? I got games, media, and still have about 1tb left out of 3tb. 5TB backup drive for extra unused goodies and backups, and that should be enough?

    On thing I noticed running NVME m.2 is they run hot. Full write/read I get around 70 degrees. In future builds I'd probably get the heatsinks, because quite often it's the hottest thing in the box.
    Spent the last 30 minutes blueprinting a Node 202. I only put in 1 NVME drive, but found a 5TB Seagate, and put 2 in there, along with a 1660Ti GPU (I went with the newest card for the best bang for the buck, which in my opinion is the 1660).

    Link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tqBYMZ

    Edit: Forgot to mention that the watts is only 276. Not bad considering this is a desktop.
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    06-19-2019 08:22 AM
  6. Richard Loveridge's Avatar
    The obvious answer in the room is, not everyone wants to play on PC. Consoles will always have a place for at least the next 10 years.
    07-05-2019 11:04 AM
  7. neo158's Avatar
    Project xCloud is a major reason to own a Xbox specifically. Until a PC can act as a personal xCloud server then I can see consoles being around for the foreseeable future.
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    07-07-2019 06:05 PM
  8. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    Project xCloud is a major reason to own a Xbox specifically. Until a PC can act as a personal xCloud server then I can see consoles being around for the foreseeable future.
    I don't get your post. Isn't the main feature of xCloud the ability to stream content to other devices?
    Meaning I could stream a xbox game without owning an actual xbox console.
    07-08-2019 02:35 PM
  9. neo158's Avatar
    I don't get your post. Isn't the main feature of xCloud the ability to stream content to other devices?
    Meaning I could stream a xbox game without owning an actual xbox console.
    You can as there will be a data centre that hosts the games, but the idea is that you won't NEED to if you own an Xbox as the Xbox can act a a personal xCloud server. This also means that should the data centre go offline for some reason then you won't have a problem streaming vs someone who doesn't own an Xbox.

    Not only that but remember, xCloud is ONLY for games and not other content.
    07-08-2019 02:41 PM
  10. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    You can as there will be a data centre that hosts the games, but the idea is that you won't NEED to if you own an Xbox as the Xbox can act a a personal xCloud server. This also means that should the data centre go offline for some reason then you won't have a problem streaming vs someone who doesn't own an Xbox.

    Not only that but remember, xCloud is ONLY for games and not other content.
    Wait, what you're talking is the remote play feature that the PS4 had for years now. I don't think that's really a major part of what XCloud is.

    What your referring to is just being able to play your console on another devise over the internet like the PS4. It's nice that XB gamers will have this feature, but I don't think it's a very important feature...
    07-09-2019 03:22 PM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    Wait, what you're talking is the remote play feature that the PS4 had for years now. I don't think that's really a major part of what XCloud is.

    What your referring to is just being able to play your console on another devise over the internet like the PS4. It's nice that XB gamers will have this feature, but I don't think it's a very important feature...
    According the everywhere I've read, the implementation on the PS is arse regarding streaming.
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    07-11-2019 12:45 AM
  12. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    According the everywhere I've read, the implementation on the PS is arse regarding streaming.
    You really need to try it yourself before trying to make an opinion from "reading everywhere".
    ofc like all other streaming service it'll depend on the internet connections.
    Here it seems to be working quite well if internet speed is decent:

    It's funny to see how huge feature becomes for company fans when the company they support introduce them even though the competition used to do it for years.
    We've seen it with cross-buy/cross-save, cross-play, local remote play and now online remote play and streaming.
    I've seen something similar with power and resolution suddenly becoming important in 2016-2017 or BC becoming vital after E3 2015. Now it looks like having loads of first party studio is once again important. And we'll see how exclusives will suddenly become important again after loads of people claimed they weren't important.
    07-14-2019 06:43 AM
  13. neo158's Avatar
    You really need to try it yourself before trying to make an opinion from "reading everywhere".
    ofc like all other streaming service it'll depend on the internet connections.
    Here it seems to be working quite well if internet speed is decent:

    It's funny to see how huge feature becomes for company fans when the company they support introduce them even though the competition used to do it for years.
    We've seen it with cross-buy/cross-save, cross-play, local remote play and now online remote play and streaming.
    I've seen something similar with power and resolution suddenly becoming important in 2016-2017 or BC becoming vital after E3 2015. Now it looks like having loads of first party studio is once again important. And we'll see how exclusives will suddenly become important again after loads of people claimed they weren't important.
    Seems to me that you really don't like the Xbox, if so why are you in here?
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    07-14-2019 06:51 AM
  14. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    Seems to me that you really don't like the Xbox, if so why are you in here?
    Oh so only people who likes XB and are fans of MS/XB are allowed to post?
    Sounds like dictatorship. Don't allow or censor critics. Only positivity and praise are allowed. ofc you are allowed and even encouraged to criticise the competition or opposition.
    07-14-2019 11:51 AM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    Oh so only people who likes XB and are fans of MS/XB are allowed to post?
    Sounds like dictatorship. Don't allow or censor critics. Only positivity and praise are allowed. ofc you are allowed and even encouraged to criticise the competition or opposition.
    Well, why are you here? I mean what pleasure do you derive from being here?
    07-14-2019 11:58 AM
  16. Drael646464's Avatar
    You really need to try it yourself before trying to make an opinion from "reading everywhere".
    ofc like all other streaming service it'll depend on the internet connections.
    Here it seems to be working quite well if internet speed is decent:

    It's funny to see how huge feature becomes for company fans when the company they support introduce them even though the competition used to do it for years.
    We've seen it with cross-buy/cross-save, cross-play, local remote play and now online remote play and streaming.
    I've seen something similar with power and resolution suddenly becoming important in 2016-2017 or BC becoming vital after E3 2015. Now it looks like having loads of first party studio is once again important. And we'll see how exclusives will suddenly become important again after loads of people claimed they weren't important.
    Honestly, I'm pretty skeptical about microsoft's streaming too. I've not seen a single version of game streaming that hasn't required an unusually good connection, had bugs or generally left many users dissatisfied.

    The video you linked: IDK which screen is the remote screen, but the one on the right looks bad (laggy). Even if it's good most of the time, if it's bad some of the time it's an issue. Heck, I can't get netflix etc streaming to work consistently, and most people have that issue. I use network cables wherever possible, and audio jacks. I like to be wired.

    I don't hate playstation. I quite like the controllers. Some of the titles are swell. Swing whichever way hits your buttons.
    07-14-2019 12:01 PM
  17. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    Well, why are you here? I mean what pleasure do you derive from being here?
    I'm here for gaming news. I'm a fan of gaming. My priority is gaming and games. You see the difference between here?
    The difference between fans of a company/brand and fans of gaming. One whose priority is the interest of a company/brand. And the other's priority is games. No matter who makes them.
    Criticism is very important. And I believe that just having company fanboys praising a company is negative to the industry.
    11-13-2019 05:34 PM
  18. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    I think it's worth, only if the games you really want to play are console exclusives. I myself own a ps4 because they have tons of exclusive games that I wanted to play like Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon, etc. If those exclusives are something you really want to play then yeah, get a ps4/ps5, it's for sure worth it at the moment. Especially ps4 since it's getting close to the end of the lifecycle and you can pick up a huge amount of great games on discount now. You can use Stadia for games that aren't exclusive, or games that you just want to play anywhere with ease.
    Yes, I agree. And I'll even add it's worth , only if the games you really want to play are console exclusives AND you don't already have a PC that can play those games. I have a PC and I've played the " XB console exclusive" that I want to play (I'm on one right now). But the thing I know is with this machine I'll be able to play future XB console exclusives...

    Even with their new console coming. MS talked about FC and the end of console generations. Meaning you would be able to play future Scarlett games on PC and probably also on old XB1.
    11-13-2019 05:43 PM
  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    I'm here for gaming news. I'm a fan of gaming. My priority is gaming and games. You see the difference between here?
    The difference between fans of a company/brand and fans of gaming. One whose priority is the interest of a company/brand. And the other's priority is games. No matter who makes them.
    Criticism is very important. And I believe that just having company fanboys praising a company is negative to the industry.
    Oh. Well, there's some pretty decent large gaming channels on youtube that do that better. Can't think of anything that's really covered better, or first, here. Inside gaming, fextralife come to mind.

    Most of the actual benefit of this site, is discussion of new hardware, apps, or software features specifically created by Microsoft.

    The only real edge this site seems to have re:gaming, is detail on xtream, and game pass, or MS game acquistions - but in terms of detail on existing or upcoming games, it's pretty low quality. I get more info from amateur FB groups.
    12-07-2019 07:41 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    Yes, I agree. And I'll even add it's worth , only if the games you really want to play are console exclusives AND you don't already have a PC that can play those games. I have a PC and I've played the " XB console exclusive" that I want to play (I'm on one right now). But the thing I know is with this machine I'll be able to play future XB console exclusives...

    Even with their new console coming. MS talked about FC and the end of console generations. Meaning you would be able to play future Scarlett games on PC and probably also on old XB1.
    Consoles are easier/less setup. I know folks that don't want to mess with gaming on a PC. Plus, they are often considerably cheaper new, for current generation graphics. No fussing with settings. I mean, it's a considerably easier proposition.

    Sure you COULD build a PC from cheap parts with similar power, but most people don't know how to do that, or want to do that. Any more than most people want to fiddle with performance options, or deal with six different games stores running on their PC. PC has it's advantages, but also it's weak points. Consumers differ.

    Looking at actual exclusives for PlayStation and Xbox - they are actually both really low numbers. Like big titles that are just on PS or xbox (indefinitely, with no PC port ever)? Virtually none.

    Most people could 100% ignore those lists of exclusives - most games come to PC, (and both platforms, especially big games).

    I mean unless someone was a super fan of some particular franchise, or wild about low budget rare indies that just seems illogical - far more games are not exclusive than are (and if they liked indies PC is better anyway). And those few that are - aren't really unique playstyles. Mostly third person games etc, of which there are many similar alternative titles.

    Honestly the only people it strikes me, exclusives would appeal to - are either people already tied to the platform having played earlier entries in the exclusive IP, or multi-platform gamers who want to be able to play everything. Neither of which are really people who are going to be much swayed by a few more exclusives on xbox, any more than apple folks are going to be drawn over to android over some minor technical reason.

    Like, I just combed over exclusives for various platforms recently and thought - why do they even bother? Doesn't sell me. You'd pay how much, when I already have a PC, just to play one, or maybe two titles that I'd actually be interested in. Thats expensive. Unless I was buying it anyway as my main gaming platform, just why?

    I think open systems often work better than closed ones, especially when one isn't leading the pack, from a business POV. Consumers like it.

    If MSFT consolidated xbox and PC so that you can simply play on both, well their platforms are far more market share than PS. Honestly it would make sense if at least older generation console titles could run on PC, or even some select PC titles run on xbox (which would be harder).

    And they have talked about bringing the 360 and earlier emulation to PC. Maybe they'll even do that next gen, bring the emulation to PC, so that we can play anything on PC, xbox 1 and earlier, or just 360 and earlier?

    I'd probably play RDR1 if nothing else.

    Gamers want more options, not less, whether they are the plug in an go console type, or the mod, fiddle and precision PC gamer. Exclusives, whether they are store exclusives, or platform exclusives are anti-consumer. They are as much a thing to object to, and get annoyed about, as they are enticements. As any gaming comments section will tell you. Look at epic games for eg
    12-07-2019 07:57 AM
  21. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    Exclusives, whether they are store exclusives, or platform exclusives are anti-consumer. They are as much a thing to object to, and get annoyed about, as they are enticements. As any gaming comments section will tell you. Look at epic games for eg
    I didn't get most of your post but if you're trying to say platform exclusives are anti-consumer then I totally disagree. I think it's just the opposite.

    All these Sony or Nintendo exclusives are made to sell hardware. Companies investing to make quality games. Games that are made with one thing in mind quality. Good games to make the platform look good.
    Try to get people into their ecosystem.
    From what I see, MS has a different approach. Their games are services. They are made so that they can make more money once the game is initially bought.
    That's why most of their major games have microtransactions and other stuff like "get the game late if you don't pay", huge amount of exclusive content... So yes, it makes sense for them to try to get as many people as possible to play their games.
    They are trying to do too many things at a time. They want the benefit if "exlusive games", that is trying to sell platforms AND make money off microtransactions like how any ordinary EA/Activision... game.

    I'll tell you what type of exclusives are anti-consumer.
    It's the timed exclusives like RoTR or DR4. Where company invest money to delay a game on other platforms. This, I would also call fake exclusive, because often company don't tell that it's time. Devs aren't allowed to communicate tht information or whether there will be a version on another platform and when it could come. The aim is to mislead consumers into thinking it's a true exclusive and that for a much smaller fee than paying for a full exclusive. When you talk about Epic, you're talking about timed exclusive deals. These kind of deals.
    Oh and often they'll tend to lie about exclusives...
    That's anti-consumer.
    12-08-2019 03:10 PM
  22. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    The only real edge this site seems to have re:gaming, is detail on xtream, and game pass, or MS game acquistions - but in terms of detail on existing or upcoming games, it's pretty low quality. I get more info from amateur FB groups.
    For my XB/MS gaming news I come here, for other news I use other sites. I'm not sure why me posting here should bother you (if that's what's happening here).
    12-08-2019 03:14 PM
  23. Drael646464's Avatar
    I didn't get most of your post but if you're trying to say platform exclusives are anti-consumer then I totally disagree. I think it's just the opposite.

    All these Sony or Nintendo exclusives are made to sell hardware. Companies investing to make quality games. Games that are made with one thing in mind quality. Good games to make the platform look good.
    Try to get people into their ecosystem.
    From what I see, MS has a different approach. Their games are services. They are made so that they can make more money once the game is initially bought.
    That's why most of their major games have microtransactions and other stuff like "get the game late if you don't pay", huge amount of exclusive content... So yes, it makes sense for them to try to get as many people as possible to play their games.
    They are trying to do too many things at a time. They want the benefit if "exlusive games", that is trying to sell platforms AND make money off microtransactions like how any ordinary EA/Activision... game.

    I'll tell you what type of exclusives are anti-consumer.
    It's the timed exclusives like RoTR or DR4. Where company invest money to delay a game on other platforms. This, I would also call fake exclusive, because often company don't tell that it's time. Devs aren't allowed to communicate tht information or whether there will be a version on another platform and when it could come. The aim is to mislead consumers into thinking it's a true exclusive and that for a much smaller fee than paying for a full exclusive. When you talk about Epic, you're talking about timed exclusive deals. These kind of deals.
    Oh and often they'll tend to lie about exclusives...
    That's anti-consumer.
    I don't really know about microtransactions. I mean, if microsoft has those in games, they are games I don't play. Far as I can see, microsofts gaming houses are amongst the strongest supporters of single player games, that seem to me at the most to have DLCs. Which people like EA, and epic are doing in game microtransactions, and online only games, microsoft/xbox studios has a bevy of traditional games for PC. IDK, I mean that's my impression, maybe that's just the sort of games I play.

    If an exclusive means less consumers can play the game, without spending more money than the game itself is worth, that's anti consumer. From a consumer POV, being told 'no you can't have that game unless you shell out five or six times what the game is worth', that doesn't seem to me, to be doing the consumer any favours.

    You only list the benefits for console manufacturers as far as I can see (selling hardware)- but that's who exclusives are for.

    But again, there's barely any complete exclusives on any platform. Apart from huge fans of those particular IPs, most gamers can ignore their existence entirely IMO. Big title exclusives, things that might be consider 'a real draw', i'd say it's significantly less than 1% of games, and certain less than 2% of all AAA games (probably again less than 1%). Unless one plays much more games than any average gamer, or loves those particular games? Who cares.

    The argument that exclusives are higher quality is debateable. The biggest games are all multi-platform (in terms of players, and in terms of game budgets). The most popular game software houses, the ones with the biggest reputations - the game devs people rave about? are multi-platform.

    Exclusives seem to suffer from the same variability in plot and game mechanics that any other IP does. Is uncharted really better than tomb raider? Debateable. Subjective.

    One however, anyone can buy - PC, xbox, or playstation, and another you have to buy a console to get that you might not have already. How that's 'pro consumer' is anyone's guess. You might as well call apples locking everyone into the itunes store pro-consumer, or googles enforcement of GMS.

    To me, pro-consumer is saying 'you want this game, this dev wants to make this game for you, you have this game, go for it'. It's what the average person would choose, given free option.

    What consoles and epic games store are really no different IMO. Open disclosure about release dates etc is a minor element. People want games, they want to get games. Don't be a scrooge about it. If it serves the companies market interests in terms of market dominance, monopoly, or system lock - chances are it's anti-consumer. Companies are generally only pro-consumer when they have to be, because they need to expand.
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    12-10-2019 01:17 AM
  24. Drael646464's Avatar
    For my XB/MS gaming news I come here, for other news I use other sites. I'm not sure why me posting here should bother you (if that's what's happening here).
    Not at all, it's just an odd place to get gaming news. They do have sort of early news of xstream, game pass related stuff, and some inside info on xbox studios acquisitions, so I suppose that makes some sense. Just not what I think of as the sites forte.
    12-10-2019 01:19 AM
  25. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    If an exclusive means less consumers can play the game, without spending more money than the game itself is worth, that's anti consumer.
    So will you say that MS is anti-consumer for not putting Halo or Gear on PS4?

    I'll just say that many of these games probably wouldn't have been made the same or even existed if it wasn't exclusive.
    Gamers have a choice. And as an example, I'd rather see a company like Google invest money to make a game like gylt and put it on their platform than them not investing in gaming.
    I'd rather have the choice of buying Gylt on Stadia rather than not having the choice of buying and playing Gylt.

    Big title exclusives, things that might be consider 'a real draw', i'd say it's significantly less than 1% of games, and certain less than 2% of all AAA games (probably again less than 1%). Unless one plays much more games than any average gamer, or loves those particular games? Who cares.
    I don't know where you get that less than 1% or 2%. I mean just in 2018, I quickly count PS4 had 4 AAA exclusive, Switch had 2. And not even counting Forza that's 6 games. Meaning from your numbers there were more than 600 AAA games released in 2018. Sorry but I don't see how there were that many AAA games in 2018 and it looks like your number is bs unless ofc you can name more than 600 AAA games released in 2018.
    Who cares?
    Look at how many these major AAA exclusives sell on PS4. There are always peak of sales when these type of game release.
    Who cares? How about you? Here you are complaining about them being exclusive...

    What consoles and epic games store are really no different IMO.
    There is a huge difference. Can't believe you can't see it.
    Epic is investing money to delay a 3rd party game for some gamers. Nintendo is investing money to MAKE game for their customers.
    One is investing money against gamers, I mean the Epic money that delays a game on Steam doesn't bring anything to Epic gamers.
    Instead of using that money to make their own games FOR Epic gamers.

    Money invested to CREATE new games vs money invested to delay a 3rd party game on Steam.
    Case 1) Epic users get Epic exclusive + 3rd party game. Steam users get 3rd party game on time.
    Case 2) Epic users get ONLY 3rd party game. Steam users need to wait 1 year to play the 3rd party game.

    If you can't see a difference then I can't help you.
    12-12-2019 04:44 PM
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