09-10-2012 08:57 PM
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  1. threedog's Avatar
    I'm a huge supporter of Microsoft and never owned an Apple product in my life but the new iPad is definitely enticing...do you think Win8 tablets will match the specs and ecosystem by the time it launches? I'm talking WOA after learning that the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga is retailing at around 1200 euros or $1900 US :(

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    04-20-2012 04:46 PM
  2. nick6c's Avatar
    I sure Windows 8 tablet will be better than ipad , just i guess because i want it to be true
    04-20-2012 10:58 PM
  3. AzD's Avatar
    Better yes but they need to be competitively priced as well.
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    04-20-2012 11:53 PM
  4. ninjaap's Avatar
    Better yes but they need to be competitively priced as well.
    Price won't be a problem. Just like now, you will be able to buy a W8 machine anywhere from $300-$3000. That's what's great about Windows, there's something for everyone.
    04-20-2012 11:58 PM
  5. Bkr11's Avatar
    I'm a huge supporter of Microsoft and never owned an Apple product in my life but the new iPad is definitely enticing...do you think Win8 tablets will match the specs and ecosystem by the time it launches? I'm talking WOA after learning that the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga is retailing at around 1200 euros or $1900 US :(

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    I've played with it on my iPad using Splashtop and the developer preview. I will be buying it (hopefully a Nokia tablet) and really like the ui. For me a high-performing tablet plus Bluetooth keyboard/mouse if I'm in word/excel/email would be ideal and I'd be willing to pay for it.

    That being said, some of the gestures aren't exactly intuitive. There will be a learning curve steeper than the iPad and some reviewers and consumers will complain that it's not as simple as the iPad. Well duh..it's a fully functioning pc, but that will be a gripe.
    04-21-2012 09:09 AM
  6. J4rrod's Avatar
    First thing to understand is there are 2 different versions of Win8 - one for ARM tablets and one of x86 (i.e. Intel) PCs (including tablets, laptops, etc.). The Yoga is an x86 machine and of course will cost much more than an ARM tablet (ARM is way the iPad, Transformer, Galaxy Tab, etc.) runs on.

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    04-21-2012 09:57 AM
  7. threedog's Avatar
    First thing to understand is there are 2 different versions of Win8 - one for ARM tablets and one of x86 (i.e. Intel) PCs (including tablets, laptops, etc.). The Yoga is an x86 machine and of course will cost much more than an ARM tablet (ARM is way the iPad, Transformer, Galaxy Tab, etc.) runs on.
    I know that the Yoga is an x86 machine. I just mentioned it because that was my first choice for a Win8 device.

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    04-22-2012 03:11 AM
  8. abhaywritescode's Avatar
    Well I'm the opposite of most of you. I was a huge Apple fanboy till the iOS 4 days, but then the OS became very very stale and incredibly boring. But even though its boring, the iPad is definitely by far the best tablet out today, but seeing the videos of the Windows 8 tablets, the iPad is soon going to have its first proper competitor because frankly the android tablets are very poor. I have an iPad 2 and its one of the best prices of technology I've ever owned.

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    04-22-2012 03:25 AM
  9. threedog's Avatar
    Price won't be a problem. Just like now, you will be able to buy a W8 machine anywhere from $300-$3000. That's what's great about Windows, there's something for everyone.
    I'm not particularly worried about the price of a Win8 tablet, my main concern is the availability of well designed "magnet" apps (like Flipboard on iOS) and the variety of apps (iPad is so versatile: has digital magazines, business apps, education apps etc.)

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    04-22-2012 03:28 AM
  10. threedog's Avatar
    Well I'm the opposite of most of you. I was a huge Apple fanboy till the iOS 4 days, but then the OS became very very stale and incredibly boring. But even though its boring, the iPad is definitely by far the best tablet out today, but seeing the videos of the Windows 8 tablets, the iPad is soon going to have its first proper competitor because frankly the android tablets are very poor. I have an iPad 2 and its one of the best prices of technology I've ever owned.

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    okay, same question to you. Do you think that Win8 can match the versatility of the iPad (see above post)?

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    04-22-2012 03:30 AM
  11. abhaywritescode's Avatar
    okay, same question to you. Do you think that Win8 can match the versatility of the iPad (see above post)?

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    To be honest its still too early to predict that. Even till today WP7 lacks several apps like Skype, etc. But I hope it does, because the Win8 tablet platform looks to be a real strong one. It all depends if the developers give enough importance to the platform. Some devs don't even bother because they get 60-70% of their money only from making iOS apps.



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    04-22-2012 03:51 AM
  12. AzD's Avatar
    I'm not particularly worried about the price of a Win8 tablet, my main concern is the availability of well designed "magnet" apps (like Flipboard on iOS) and the variety of apps (iPad is so versatile: has digital magazines, business apps, education apps etc.)

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    Oh, sorry, I didn't realize they were only developing Win8 tablets for you. Never mind about the price point then.
    04-22-2012 01:16 PM
  13. threedog's Avatar
    Oh, sorry, I didn't realize they were only developing Win8 tablets for you. Never mind about the price point then.
    LOL you took that the wrong way. I meant I'm sure that they can compete in price with the iPad, with a variety of prices like you said $300-$3000 depending on specs and x86 or ARM. So in terms of them pricing some ARM tablets at or lower than the iPad, I'm not worried. Hopes that clears up my comment :dry
    04-22-2012 02:36 PM
  14. smoledman's Avatar
    Just buy the iPad now, why wait? It has so many great apps. You shouldn't force yourself to be beholden to any one platform.
    04-22-2012 02:37 PM
  15. justop26's Avatar
    To be honest its still too early to predict that. Even till today WP7 lacks several apps like Skype, etc. But I hope it does, because the Win8 tablet platform looks to be a real strong one. It all depends if the developers give enough importance to the platform. Some devs don't even bother because they get 60-70% of their money only from making iOS apps.



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    It's interesting and true what you say. My main draw to the iPad is the wealth of medical apps (reference, educational, etc) that would really help me now in med school. It's the only thing that really makes me want one, because iOS basically has the monopoly on that.

    On the other hand, I would love the versatility and full-functionality of a Windows 8 tablet, which would also integrate nicely on the ecosystem. I just wonder if the medical apps won't come over, just as what has happened with WP7. Everyone develops for iOs first, Android second and... that's it.

    PS: We do have Skype... I wanted to clear that up.
    04-22-2012 05:00 PM
  16. threedog's Avatar
    I think the big issue is the dilemma of established ecosystem vs emerging ecosystem (and the uncertainty involved).

    iOS has the largest app store in the tablet space, a number of exclusive apps not available on Android tablets, and integration with the Apple ecosystem regarding iCloud and AirPlay.

    Win8 on the other hand is just emerging with the Windows Store (I saw a quote somewhere that there are 99 apps at the moment), it's uncertain whether developers will bring apps from iOS and Android over (and if they do, will they be on par in quality), and the "three screens" ecosystem has not manifested itself yet because Apollo and the retail version of Win8 have not been released.

    I know that the Windows Store will fill up with apps but the uncertainty in the strength of integration and ecosystem gets to me sometimes. I know Win8 is a full fledged operating system (don't just say because it has Microsoft Office, iPad has QuickOffice Pro HD for $19.99) but I don't want it to be seen as a pseudo tablet OS. It has to be considered a tablet OS by developers and consumers, otherwise it won't get certain goodies like digital magazines, news streaming apps, and entertainment apps (like HBO Go).

    Does that make any sense or am I just going crazy ?
    04-22-2012 10:23 PM
  17. N8ter's Avatar
    I understand what you'r esaying.

    I think a lot depends on how quick adoption of Windows 8 is. Personally on desktops I don't think it's going to be adopted as quickly as Windows 7 was. Metro isn't really a hit among the general public people I know ridicule and laugh at the new start screen (been showing the Beta around on my laptop). I know most of them won't buy an upgrade, so it will depend on when they actually buy a new PC if they'll even bother to get it (assuming the tech saavy ones don't demand a downgrade from the OEM or pre-purchase Windows 7 before it goes off the shelves to downgrade themselves).

    If Windows 8 adoption isn't really really good then I can see some developers holding off, at least on the Metro side of things.

    I don't expect Windows 8 adoption to be as good as Windows 7 since most people are on 7 right now and simply won't see a reason to upgrade (or won't like the way Metro is pushed on them).
    04-23-2012 05:31 AM
  18. welsbloke's Avatar
    Windows 8 will get some good adoption but you have to remember it comes in 4 flavours but all based on Windows.

    Server
    PC
    Tablet
    Phone

    The server for me is the biggy and I believe this to be a huge upgrade even over 2008 R2. That said it will introduce changes that will scare the pants of a lot of admins (Powershell, Core as standard) but at the same time fling the door wide open (Storage and Hyper V v3 as some examples). This backend overhaul for me is the most exciting.

    I think the one thing about Windows 8 and its flavours is its scary because of one thing or another and at the same time hugely exciting. I have no doubt the tablets will be awesome and will have the potential to sell bucket loads. Lets not forget you will have all manor of devices with all manor of features, at all manor of price points.

    Bring it ON!
    04-23-2012 06:39 AM
  19. ymc932's Avatar
    When you start comparing Win 8 tablets vs Ipad or Android tablets, you have to be aware what system you are comparing to. Win 8 on ARM processors tablets will perform very differently from x86 tablets...

    Battery life on x86 tablets will be only half that of ARM based tablets. This ratio is unlikely to change as x86 are capable of performing more processing & therefore eats up more power.

    A Win8 x86 tablet can run native Photoshop, MS office software while on ARM tablet, you will need to wait for these developers to come up with a scaled down app specifically for ARM system.

    MS is hoping to migrate all the apps from WP7 to Win 8 compatible (Apollo) so that all ARM based tablets at launch will have access to the apps currently available in WP7 marketplace.

    So can ARM based Win 8 tablet challenge iPad, I don't see why not considering the marketplace is growing rapidly. As for x86 Win 8 tablets, there is no comparison as its for totally very different functions.

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    04-28-2012 09:56 PM
  20. Aadamgibson's Avatar
    Windows 8 tablets could mostly be identified by app selection. Still, it's going to be difficult for Microsoft to go with the wide environment of applications that has evolved around the iPad. To the level that application providers port their application to the product friendly City interface, then there could be a vast app selection available for Windows 8 tablets. The real difference to me is the cost of applications, where the common cost of Windows suitable application seems to be way higher than the common cost of a iPad applications.
    09-07-2012 01:36 AM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Let the assumption games begin! First, nobody has any idea what the ARM-spec tablets will bring on the software side, what kind of compatibility with x86 apps there will be and what will be bundled with the tablets. We know Office will come with the ARM tablets, but what iteration will it be? Too many questions for my tastes. The x86 tablets won't be much of a surprise since Consumer Preview has been out for a while. Personally, I don't see any hard-core improvements to jump ship from W7. In fact, the CP lasted all of two weeks on my exoPC before I went back to W7. Metro? I gave it as much thought as a splash page. The minute it loaded I went to regular desktop and proceeded as usual. Metro is good for a quick peek at any notifications but that's about it.

    I think that too many readers are confusing Windows 8 (a desktop OS) with Windows Phone 8 (a mobile OS). Either way, I doubt Apple aficionados will give more than a passing glance and Android fans might be a little more curious. Microsoft fans, or at least those of us who depend on it, will be the ones who put W8 through its paces. I predict sales success for the x86 variants, not so much for ARM.
    09-07-2012 07:58 PM
  22. Mitlov's Avatar
    There are going to be three categories price-wise.

    The Windows RT tablets will be under $500, but app availability at the outset will be a concern.

    The Windows 8 (x86) tablets with Ivy Bridge processors will be able to run any Windows software and will be fast and awesome, but battery life, weight, and price will all be significantly above the iPad. Think of them as MacBook Air killers as much as iPad killers. Expect prices to start at around $1000.

    The Windows 8 (x86) tablets with Atom processors are the compromise solution, costing probably $600-$800 depending on specs. They aren't limited to RT apps. They can run any software, but not as fast as something with an Ivy Bridge or ARM processor. They should deliver 10 hours of battery life and should be just as thin, light, and silent (fanless) as an ARM-equipped tablet. I'm going with an Atom-equipped tablet because I don't care if my apps take longer to load...I want x86 compatibility but lighter weight and lower price than an Ivy Bridge machine can deliver.
    09-08-2012 01:44 AM
  23. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I think Windows 8 is remarkably easy to use, and especially on the Pro side, it will give Microsoft a distinct advantage for users looking for consumer goodness AND professional productivity.

    I think the iPad has an advantage because of popularity and hype, but history has dictated several times that every time consumers are given a choice between Apple's locked down ecosystem and a competitor's (Microsoft or Google) openness and choice, they always begin to favor choice as the ecosystems mature.

    I think that Microsoft has a great potential here to regain "top dog" status with consumers.
    09-08-2012 08:11 AM
  24. kylej1050's Avatar
    I don't think I'd go so far as to say the Atom equipped x86 will be slower than ARM. At least, not in any way a user would notice. The preview videos of a couple of the Atom equipped tabs are pretty impressive. Very zippy.

    The question in my head is gaming performance between the ARM and Atom variants. Will just have to see what the demo videos show I suppose. But the ARM platform getting the gaming engines that it is leads me to believe that it's got a good chance.
    09-08-2012 05:03 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't think I'd go so far as to say the Atom equipped x86 will be slower than ARM. At least, not in any way a user would notice. The preview videos of a couple of the Atom equipped tabs are pretty impressive. Very zippy.

    The question in my head is gaming performance between the ARM and Atom variants. Will just have to see what the demo videos show I suppose. But the ARM platform getting the gaming engines that it is leads me to believe that it's got a good chance.
    Gotta agree with you on that one. I have an exoPC running W7 with an Atom processor and it's quite zippy compared to my Core Duo convertible. The boot times with the SSD put my convertible to shame (even with 3 GB of RAM). I was hesitant to get the exoPC because of poor reviews of the Atom but I'm glad I did. Goes to show you that benchmark results can sometimes be misleading. I mean really, can anybody accurately judge microseconds or count number of executions within one second? That's like download speeds, can anybody really tell the difference between 1.5 mbps and 1.6?
    09-10-2012 04:18 PM
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