10-21-2012 01:14 AM
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  1. theefman's Avatar
    So far the leaked and rumoured pricing for some devices are holding true, with some prices being officialy revealed by Sony and Dell. What do you think of the pricing so far?

    Newegg W8 pricing Newegg.com - ppssWin8Tab2012
    Last edited by theefman; 10-12-2012 at 01:37 PM.
    10-12-2012 01:18 PM
  2. ltyarbro42's Avatar
    These prices seem fair compared to other tablets. They don't make them a must buy, but definitely puts them in with the competition.

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    10-12-2012 01:32 PM
  3. Coreldan's Avatar
    I would pay that 600usd for a Surface RT, the only tablet I care about.

    I would pay that 600 in euros too for a Surface RT :D
    10-12-2012 02:26 PM
  4. jdevenberg's Avatar
    What I want to know is why anyone would get an RT tab like the Vivo Tab for $599 when you can get an Atom tablet with the same 32 GB disk for $499 with the W510. If all RT devices are priced like that, RT will be a total failure. Unless, newegg.com specs are wrong and that is the price for the LTE enabled vivo tab and not a wifi only version, then the pricing is alright.

    Even if someone wanted a nicer/better built Windows 8 tab than the W510, the Lenovo Lynx, which has had positive first hands ons, will be $599 and it is an x86 machine. Atom tabs have so far shown good battery life (8+ hours), acceptable performance, and reasonable price ($499-$599). RT has to come in at $299-$399 starting to have any chance at catching on.
    10-12-2012 03:56 PM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    What I want to know is why anyone would get an RT tab like the Vivo Tab for $599 when you can get an Atom tablet with the same 32 GB disk for $499 with the W510. If all RT devices are priced like that, RT will be a total failure. Unless, newegg.com specs are wrong and that is the price for the LTE enabled vivo tab and not a wifi only version, then the pricing is alright.

    Even if someone wanted a nicer/better built Windows 8 tab than the W510, the Lenovo Lynx, which has had positive first hands ons, will be $599 and it is an x86 machine. Atom tabs have so far shown good battery life (8+ hours), acceptable performance, and reasonable price ($499-$599). RT has to come in at $299-$399 starting to have any chance at catching on.
    You're thinking along the same lines as myself. The Asus RT pricing is right along with x86 tablets and the only way I can see that selling is if people go purely on price, but even then the Acer does undercut it. Samsung seems to have got its pricing correct for its Atom tablet so maybe this is just going to be an Asus problem. Sad because I prefer it to the Samsung so will likely have to wait for the HP or something else entirely.

    Overall though I feel the OEM's are going to miss the mark on pricing considering people are going to just compare with an ipad's base price of $499 and ask why they should pay more. They definitely have to undercut that price to get traction early on.
    10-12-2012 05:00 PM
  6. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    i can't pay for anything more than 399 at this point, spent all my money on rings and ceremony :( i hope the surface is around or under 399 (though i wish i could get intel ver so i can actually code on it, im too poor right now to do that)
    10-12-2012 05:29 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    RT will be a failure if it isn't cheaper than the iPad.
    10-12-2012 05:51 PM
  8. jdevenberg's Avatar
    RT will be a failure if it isn't cheaper than the iPad.
    Forget the iPad, the cheapest RT device right now is $599. The cheapest x86 is $499. RT will fail if it isn't cheaper than the version of the OS it is supposed to be a budget alternative to.
    10-12-2012 06:09 PM
  9. budney's Avatar
    Pricing seems strange right now to be honest. Hopefully MS allowed the manufacturers to start preorders to get people's reactions, and will adjust the prices accordingly.

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    10-12-2012 06:32 PM
  10. jdevenberg's Avatar
    Maybe this is why MS made the Surface. They said they made it in response to what was shown to them by the OEM's. Maybe they saw all this RT nonsense, heard the even more ridiculous pricing, and decided to show them whats up. My opinion is the Surface will either be priced super aggressively ($299-$399) or very high ($599+). I don't see it being priced as a mid-ranged device.
    10-12-2012 06:43 PM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Forget the iPad, the cheapest RT device right now is $599. The cheapest x86 is $499. RT will fail if it isn't cheaper than the version of the OS it is supposed to be a budget alternative to.
    That's a good point. Who is going to pay more money for a RT tablet that costs more money than a full desktop PC running Windows 8?
    10-12-2012 07:12 PM
  12. theefman's Avatar
    Isnt it crazy that the one OEM that seemed dead set against MS doing the Surface seems to have the best value hardware. Have to wonder, if Acer can produce a $500 x86 tablet why cant the likes of Samsung with their superior margins? Sell the hardware cheap and make money off their media services or other value added features. They need to realize the old days are gone and people aren't afraid to buy al alternative OS.
    10-12-2012 08:26 PM
  13. tissotti's Avatar
    That's a good point. Who is going to pay more money for a RT tablet that costs more money than a full desktop PC running Windows 8?
    I'm not sure about that. Normal consumers might want the generally sexier, thinner RT tablets. Atom tablets supposedly only being able to play 720p makes me think is there any sense to get Atom tablet.
    RT or i3/i5/i7 tablet with 1920x1080 screen. I'm personally certainly going for i5 tablet/hybrids.

    All that said i agree with the earlier comments that the $599 price range simply wont go. RT is still "empty" ecosystem compared to iOS and hardware wise it's not kicking the competition.

    Isnt it crazy that the one OEM that seemed dead set against MS doing the Surface seems to have the best value hardware. Have to wonder, if Acer can produce a $500 x86 tablet why cant the likes of Samsung with their superior margins? Sell the hardware cheap and make money off their media services or other value added features. They need to realize the old days are gone and people aren't afraid to buy al alternative OS.
    Same goes for Acer's i3 tablet that costs $799 and got 1920x1080 IPS screen. That's $400 less than Vaio Duo 11. I'm not honestly all that familiar with Acer products, but supposedly they have quite bad track record when it comes to tablets and laptops.
    10-12-2012 09:30 PM
  14. jdevenberg's Avatar
    I'm not sure about that. Normal consumers might want the generally sexier, thinner RT tablets. Atom tablets supposedly only being able to play 720p makes me think is there any sense to get Atom tablet.
    RT or i3/i5/i7 tablet with 1920x1080 screen. I'm personally certainly going for i5 tablet/hybrids.

    All that said i agree with the earlier comments that the $599 price range simply wont go. RT is still "empty" ecosystem compared to iOS and hardware wise it's not kicking the competition.



    Same goes for Acer's i3 tablet that costs $799 and got 1920x1080 IPS screen. That's $400 less than Vaio Duo 11. I'm not honestly all that familiar with Acer products, but supposedly they have quite bad track record when it comes to tablets and laptops.
    The biggest problem with your argument is that every RT tablet announced so far has a 720p screen too. Thinner and sexier are nice, but price is what sells. There is a reason that the Kindel Fire and the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" are the best selling non-iPad tablets on the market. They are $199 and $249 respectively. There are much better, thinner, sexier Android tablets available, but they don't sell as well.
    10-12-2012 09:54 PM
  15. theefman's Avatar
    I'm not sure about that. Normal consumers might want the generally sexier, thinner RT tablets. Atom tablets supposedly only being able to play 720p makes me think is there any sense to get Atom tablet.
    RT or i3/i5/i7 tablet with 1920x1080 screen. I'm personally certainly going for i5 tablet/hybrids.

    All that said i agree with the earlier comments that the $599 price range simply wont go. RT is still "empty" ecosystem compared to iOS and hardware wise it's not kicking the competition.


    Actually even the previous version of the Atom chip could play 1080p content, Clover Trail should be better and the same at worst. The advantages of RT are battery life, thinness is pretty much a wash.

    And I just went to check the price of another x86 tablet, the Lenovo Lynx will be the same $599 but for an x86 tablet + $150 for the keyboard http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/34...ablet-hands-on. Much more reasonable than paying the same price for a less functional version of Windows.
    Last edited by theefman; 10-12-2012 at 10:57 PM.
    10-12-2012 10:46 PM
  16. jdevenberg's Avatar
    Actually even the previous version of the Atom chip could play 1080p content, Clover Trail should be better and the same at worst. The advantages of RT are battery life, thinness is pretty much a wash.

    And I just went to check the price of another x86 tablet, the Lenovo Lynx will be the same $599 but for an x86 tablet + $150 for the keyboard Lenovo IdeaTab Lynx Windows 8 tablet with optional keyboard dock starts at $599 in December | The Verge. Much more reasonable than paying the same price for a less functional version of Windows.
    The Lynx looks like a sweet device. That is my first choice device, unless a reasonably priced RT tablet comes out.
    10-12-2012 11:20 PM
  17. tissotti's Avatar
    The biggest problem with your argument is that every RT tablet announced so far has a 720p screen too. Thinner and sexier are nice, but price is what sells. There is a reason that the Kindel Fire and the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" are the best selling non-iPad tablets on the market. They are $199 and $249 respectively. There are much better, thinner, sexier Android tablets available, but they don't sell as well.
    Yes every Atom and RT tablet has 720p screen.

    Like said i'm set for core Intel tablets, but i'am very interested to see how atom tablets will perform when we get first reviews out there. Personally i have no idea how normal customers will behave between RT and Atom Win8 tablets.
    10-13-2012 08:09 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    Well there is definitely something going on with the ridiculous RT pricing, another overpriced one here Microsoft News Samsung ATIV Tab for pre-order on Amazon UK, much too expensive. Are they deliberately trying to kill this OS?

    If the Acer had NFC it would be my first choice now but I'm sure with an NFC 8 I will miss that functionality. Just shaking my head at these RT prices.
    10-13-2012 09:17 AM
  19. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Well there is definitely something going on with the ridiculous RT pricing, another overpriced one here Microsoft News Samsung ATIV Tab for pre-order on Amazon UK, much too expensive. Are they deliberately trying to kill this OS?

    If the Acer had NFC it would be my first choice now but I'm sure with an NFC 8 I will miss that functionality. Just shaking my head at these RT prices.
    Samsung are trying to sabotage Windows I can tell, they just want Android.
    10-13-2012 09:37 AM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    Samsung are trying to sabotage Windows I can tell, they just want Android.

    I think they are all trying to kill RT, their US price for the smart PC is $649 which is much more acceptable for a full windows tablet PC with digitizer and pen. It makes the current prices for RT devices look like sheer lunacy.
    10-13-2012 09:42 AM
  21. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I think they are all trying to kill RT, their US price for the smart PC is $649 which is much more acceptable for a full windows tablet PC with digitizer and pen. It makes the current prices for RT devices look like sheer lunacy.
    Thing is, I want RT, not full Windows tablet... I do not want a fan in my tablet... Hopefully when HTC are allowed on board they'll bring their Flyer/Jetstream stuff over to RT. Then HTC gets my money. I already own a Flyer by them, great piece of kit too. Pen is a bit weird but I can live with that.
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    10-13-2012 09:46 AM
  22. theefman's Avatar
    Thing is, I want RT, not full Windows tablet... I do not want a fan in my tablet... Hopefully when HTC are allowed on board they'll bring their Flyer/Jetstream stuff over to RT. Then HTC gets my money. I already own a Flyer by them, great piece of kit too. Pen is a bit weird but I can live with that.
    Clovertrail devices run fanless and give better battery life than previous versions of atom cpu's so that shouldn't be a problem, only ivy bridge based tablets still require a fan.
    10-13-2012 10:25 AM
  23. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Clovertrail devices run fanless and give better battery life than previous versions of atom cpu's so that shouldn't be a problem, only ivy bridge based tablets still require a fan.
    True but Office 2013 is built in to RT, but not Pro, so that also factors into it.
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    10-13-2012 11:16 AM
  24. theefman's Avatar
    True but Office 2013 is built in to RT, but not Pro, so that also factors into it.
    Good point but having access to legacy programs outweighs that for me and office web apps would do in a pinch so that balances the equation.
    10-13-2012 11:41 AM
  25. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Good point but having access to legacy programs outweighs that for me and office web apps would do in a pinch so that balances the equation.
    Ah, ya see, I want my tablet to be my middle ground. For where something is too heavy for my WP, but not so heavy that it can't be done on the go with a tablet. For me, batch PS/Lightroom etc work, would be too heavy for a tablet so that will always be done on my desktop, or perhaps my MacBook Pro as it's media related.
    10-13-2012 11:51 AM
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