05-13-2013 05:45 PM
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  1. anon5664829's Avatar
    If we're talking consumption then it gets even worse for the iPad because there are many strong Android tablets that are as good or better in more scenarios for less money. Why do you think they were forced to make the iPad Mini?
    You realise that the US isn't the ******* world right? outside of the US Apple wins hands down in ted,ms of ecosystem.
    Here in NZ Google gives us Play music and Play app. Apple gives us- TV shows, books, movies, apps, music and every other service they have. Apple has the best eco system end of story.
    05-13-2013 03:00 AM
  2. martinmc78's Avatar
    You realise that the US isn't the ******* world right? outside of the US Apple wins hands down in ted,ms of ecosystem.
    Here in NZ Google gives us Play music and Play app. Apple gives us- TV shows, books, movies, apps, music and every other service they have. Apple has the best eco system end of story.
    You forgot to add in your opinion. Your stating it like its a fact.

    For me and in my opinion MS has the best ecosystem. TV shows, books, movies, apps, music, games, x86 programmes I have everything I could ever need.
    05-13-2013 04:22 AM
  3. dgr_874's Avatar
    You forgot to add in your opinion. Your stating it like its a fact.

    For me and in my opinion MS has the best ecosystem. TV shows, books, movies, apps, music, games, x86 programmes I have everything I could ever need.
    Can I ask how long you have had your collection of media? Is it mostly recent?

    Many of us (myself included), have a lot of media tied up into Apple's Ecosystem. I have been gathering media for years and have it organized how I like it. To make it worth the effort to switch, the Microsoft Ecosystem would have to do things at least as well if not better than Apple. For me and many others, Apple just does things better right now and its frustrating because we want Microsoft to success. Heck, I cant even rate my songs and make a playlist off of it. Or sync my Internet explorer favorites to my mobile devices. Nobody would like to switch more than me because i see the walled garden that I'm in and like it less and less everyday. However, the integration is just not there yet. Hopefully Windows Blue will fix all this and I'll come running back to Microsoft.
    05-13-2013 05:32 AM
  4. martinmc78's Avatar
    Can I ask how long you have had your collection of media? Is it mostly recent?

    Many of us (myself included), have a lot of media tied up into Apple's Ecosystem. I have been gathering media for years and have it organized how I like it. To make it worth the effort to switch, the Microsoft Ecosystem would have to do things at least as well if not better than Apple. For me and many others, Apple just does things better right now and its frustrating because we want Microsoft to success. Heck, I cant even rate my songs and make a playlist off of it. Or sync my Internet explorer favorites to my mobile devices. Nobody would like to switch more than me because i see the walled garden that I'm in and like it less and less everyday. However, the integration is just not there yet. Hopefully Windows Blue will fix all this and I'll come running back to Microsoft.
    I had an iphone 2 and got fed up with iTunes so switched to WM6.5 4 years ago I think and had an ipad 2 that I sold after the Surface RT came out the sale of which paid for a sizeable chunk of the RT so yes all my media is fairly recent.

    I can see where your coming from and losing all the media you have purchased over the years would be hard to let go. If you add up the investment you've put into apple then you have to justify switching and starting again. Ive had people ask me about switching to windows that like yourself are firmly entrenched in apple and I can never recommend to them to make the switch its just not economically viable. When I switched I probably had to swallow about 150 loss in apps and media. For some people that figure can easily hit 1000 over the course of five to six years use and its just not worth the loss. Its not a case of whether apple do things better or whether blue fixes all ills. You've got to ask yourself what works for you and if the investment you have made is worthwhile. If its apple then stay with apple, android stay with android. For me MS ecosystem works great and the investment Ive made outweighs the investment I lost.

    The thing is the majority of media we own is only rented and isn't actually ours no matter what ecosystem you think is best for you.
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    05-13-2013 05:56 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Oh geez, here we go again - Apple vs. Microsoft vs. Google. The topic has to do with Bill Gates' comments. Boys and girls, please form one line and follow the yellow brick road.
    05-13-2013 07:41 AM
  6. martinmc78's Avatar
    Oh geez, here we go again - Apple vs. Microsoft vs. Google. The topic has to do with Bill Gates' comments. Boys and girls, please form one line and follow the yellow brick road.
    To be fair his comments about the ipad automatically propagate the vs culture.
    05-13-2013 08:05 AM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To be fair his comments about the ipad automatically propagate the vs culture.
    Unless these forums are relegated to specific Windows Phone devices, any comparison can trigger a WP vs. the world tangent. Gates' comments were spot on. I had an iPad3 and while it was a wonderful device, it had limitations. Those limitations keep it from being a go-to device for all my needs, and I'm sure for many others. But it doesn't take away from the fact that what the iPad does well, few if any devices can match.
    05-13-2013 10:27 AM
  8. martinmc78's Avatar
    Unless these forums are relegated to specific Windows Phone devices, any comparison can trigger a WP vs. the world tangent. Gates' comments were spot on. I had an iPad3 and while it was a wonderful device, it had limitations. Those limitations keep it from being a go-to device for all my needs, and I'm sure for many others. But it doesn't take away from the fact that what the iPad does well, few if any devices can match.
    Couldn't agree with you more - But as proved in the recent string of comments certain people do like to defend what they believe to be best. I was trying to steer the thread away from that.
    05-13-2013 10:55 AM
  9. anon5664829's Avatar
    Can I ask how long you have had your collection of media? Is it mostly recent?

    Many of us (myself included), have a lot of media tied up into Apple's Ecosystem. I have been gathering media for years and have it organized how I like it. To make it worth the effort to switch, the Microsoft Ecosystem would have to do things at least as well if not better than Apple. For me and many others, Apple just does things better right now and its frustrating because we want Microsoft to success. Heck, I cant even rate my songs and make a playlist off of it. Or sync my Internet explorer favorites to my mobile devices. Nobody would like to switch more than me because i see the walled garden that I'm in and like it less and less everyday. However, the integration is just not there yet. Hopefully Windows Blue will fix all this and I'll come running back to Microsoft.
    My one is old, 4-5 years, besides Apple syncs everything better between my MacBook Pro and iPad 4. I don't consider it a "walled garden"
    05-13-2013 03:58 PM
  10. oldpueblo's Avatar
    You realise that the US isn't the ******* world right? outside of the US Apple wins hands down in ted,ms of ecosystem.
    Here in NZ Google gives us Play music and Play app. Apple gives us- TV shows, books, movies, apps, music and every other service they have. Apple has the best eco system end of story.
    Every item in that amazing ecosystem is 100% irrelevant for those that don't care about it. Apple has instagram! I don't care, so it's 100% irrelevant. I think that you think your opinions are more authoritative than they are. See, not everyone is tied to their app store so forcefully.

    Consumption tablets are for their owners to consume what they want, not what they are told to consume or forced to consume just because it's available. I consume netflix, hulu, and amazon prime videos. Guess what, just about every single tablet out there has that available. I don't buy into any ecosystems in terms of individual music/video because I prefer to provide the media content myself and not be obligated to stay locked in. YOUR ecosystem sounds terrible to me. You know what would frustrate me? Owning tons of apple content and then not being able to use it on non-Apple hardware. See, Apple frustration just like Bill said! :P
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    05-13-2013 05:10 PM
  11. oldpueblo's Avatar
    My one is old, 4-5 years, besides Apple syncs everything better between my MacBook Pro and iPad 4. I don't consider it a "walled garden"
    Hey you're in the wrong Mobile Nations section, nobody here cares how well your Apple stuff works together. Of course it does, it's all the same ****. Do you think Bill was talking about inter-Apple synchronizing? He's talking about flexibility to go outside your walled garden.
    05-13-2013 05:14 PM
  12. dgr_874's Avatar
    I had an iphone 2 and got fed up with iTunes so switched to WM6.5 4 years ago I think and had an ipad 2 that I sold after the Surface RT came out the sale of which paid for a sizeable chunk of the RT so yes all my media is fairly recent.

    I can see where your coming from and losing all the media you have purchased over the years would be hard to let go. If you add up the investment you've put into apple then you have to justify switching and starting again. Ive had people ask me about switching to windows that like yourself are firmly entrenched in apple and I can never recommend to them to make the switch its just not economically viable. When I switched I probably had to swallow about 150 loss in apps and media. For some people that figure can easily hit 1000 over the course of five to six years use and its just not worth the loss. Its not a case of whether apple do things better or whether blue fixes all ills. You've got to ask yourself what works for you and if the investment you have made is worthwhile. If its apple then stay with apple, android stay with android. For me MS ecosystem works great and the investment Ive made outweighs the investment I lost.

    The thing is the majority of media we own is only rented and isn't actually ours no matter what ecosystem you think is best for you.
    I agree whole-heartedly. I'm not trying to say "APPLE ROXXERS, M$ SUXXX" by any means. I can actually see the value a Microsoft world where all sorts of stuff plays nice together. Choice AND syncing would be awesome. I just like to hear how other people have made it work for them. I don't want to drop a lot of money just to find out something does not work like I thought it would. I certainly never meant anything as a personal attack.
    05-13-2013 05:38 PM
  13. anon5664829's Avatar
    Hey you're in the wrong Mobile Nations section, nobody here cares how well your Apple stuff works together. Of course it does, it's all the same ****. Do you think Bill was talking about inter-Apple synchronizing? He's talking about flexibility to go outside your walled garden.
    No I have a Android phone and iOS tablet I don't have a designated MN forum. Plus next year the Lumina is on my wish list so I'm DEFINITELY not in the wrong forum.
    05-13-2013 05:45 PM
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