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  1. Smg-Uk's Avatar
    You should see the comment i left on their iPad Air review lol

    Apple iPad Air Review | Stuff
    10-31-2013 09:58 PM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    put autodesk inventor on it then we'll talk
    10-31-2013 10:01 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Fine young cannibal: Apple's iPad Air competes with laptops for mass market computing - Computerworld

    What is happening to all these tech blogs filled with iSheep reviewers.
    I'm not even going to give them the click they want, but the general premise is fair. Most users only operate in the "general" area of computing, browsing the web and using things like Facebook. ARM tablets will fill this role for most folks, and it's possible that Apple's productivity apps and a keyboard case can be enough for folks to create the occasional spreadsheet or .doc file. No, iPads aren't CLOSE to being what x86 PCs are. No, I would not EVER get an ARM tablet, unless x86 literally goes away and ARM is the only option left. For general purposes though, an ARM machine can do the majority of things people want.
    10-31-2013 10:12 PM
  4. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    I'm not even going to give them the click they want, but the general premise is fair. Most users only operate in the "general" area of computing, browsing the web and using things like Facebook. ARM tablets will fill this role for most folks, and it's possible that Apple's productivity apps and a keyboard case can be enough for folks to create the occasional spreadsheet or .doc file. No, iPads aren't CLOSE to being what x86 PCs are. No, I would not EVER get an ARM tablet, unless x86 literally goes away and ARM is the only option left. For general purposes though, an ARM machine can do the majority of things people want.
    I don't see how the general premise is fair. The author claimed that because the iPad Air is 29% lighter and 20% thinner it is now poised to replace laptops. There isn't anything introduced with the Air that makes it more suitable to replace laptops than previous gen iPads. That's why the article is nothing more than pro-Apple propaganda.
    10-31-2013 10:45 PM
  5. spaulagain's Avatar
    What I don't understand is that this what MS has been saying for over a year. Hence the Surface and Surface Pro. I'm getting tired of people claiming Apple inventing some brilliant new concept even though others executed before.
    10-31-2013 10:50 PM
  6. Jessica Lares's Avatar
    What I don't understand is that this what MS has been saying for over a year. Hence the Surface and Surface Pro. I'm getting tired of people claiming Apple inventing some brilliant new concept even though others executed before.
    The Surface and Surface Pro are just glorified Tablet PCs with another name. Microsoft didn't do anything special there either, except make it smaller.
    10-31-2013 11:10 PM
  7. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I don't see how the general premise is fair. The author claimed that because the iPad Air is 29% lighter and 20% thinner it is now poised to replace laptops. There isn't anything introduced with the Air that makes it more suitable to replace laptops than previous gen iPads. That's why the article is nothing more than pro-Apple propaganda.
    Like I said, I'm not falling for their tricks and giving them a click on the article. The "general premise" I'm referring to is that ARM tablets can fulfill the needs of many who own laptops, especially if the laptop is a secondary machine (meaning the person has a home desktop). The portability of the iPad offers a reason it can be a laptop alternative (that alone doesn't make it a replacement), and pairing that with the fact that so many folks just use their laptops as general-purpose computers means they COULD replace it with a tablet. I guess I'm speaking from personal experience though, not in that I have an ARM tablet, but in that my grandma and mom have both purchased iPads as PC replacements. They both are 99% doing general things, with the ONLY instance in which either had a problem using an iPad was when my mom had to view a Flash video from work one time.

    I'm not saying that portability makes it a replacement, just that they can be a second-machine alternative to most people, since they aren't using Photoshop or gaming on a laptop.
    10-31-2013 11:20 PM
  8. cckgz4's Avatar
    The Surface and Surface Pro are just glorified Tablet PCs with another name. Microsoft didn't do anything special there either, except make it smaller.
    The original point is that Microsoft made an actual claim that their product is a true laptop replacement for the same price, if not cheaper. But Apple makes this claim along with a thinner and faster product, people forget to check facts. That's the claim. No matter how you spin it or want to try and spin it, that is true. Just because the Surface doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not a laptop replacement. Until an iPad can store data from other input devices, host USB outlets, and have true desktop capabilities, it's a media consumption device
    11-01-2013 12:23 AM
  9. squire777's Avatar
    It's a joke that these analysts who obviously have no significant knowledge of technology get so much of the spotlight to air their opinions.

    It's most likely because these analysts are usually employed by banks and investment companies and so it would make sense why they want to maintain Apple's high stock price.
    11-01-2013 01:01 AM
  10. Jas00555's Avatar
    These "analysts" make my head hurt. I honestly don't know how an iPad could be a laptop replacement. MAYBE for a grandma, but grandmas aren't known for their technological ability, so we'll count them out. I realize peoples arguments are "well, 99% of people just browse the web and check Facebook" but that is definitely not my experience with anyone I know.

    Take students for one. Your average student would need at least a surface. They're writing and printing papers. As we all know, ipads are not very good at this.

    "but what about people who aren't students, like adults for example?"
    Well, imaginary person, odds are, they're gonna have a kid, and odds are, that kid is going to school. He/she needs productivity.

    "well, yeah, but what about the parents themselves? They do productivity at work, they rarely ever do it at home."
    Wow, wish I had your money. It'd be cheaper just to buy a $400 family computer instead of an iPad for everyone.

    "but the surface is weird to use as a tablet, its a strange ratio and too big"
    There are literally dozens of different PCs to buy, pick another one

    "but"
    Shut up
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    11-01-2013 01:30 AM
  11. Jessica Lares's Avatar
    Take students for one. Your average student would need at least a surface. They're writing and printing papers. As we all know, ipads are not very good at this.
    No they don't.

    An iPad is suitable for typing up an essay. That is the only TYPE of writing you ever do in grade school. And Pages is suitable for doing so. You can't do any scripting in it, but it is very similar to Word when it comes to the basis. And all an essay needs is a cover page, the text with proper headers, subheadings, footnotes, and the cited work. That is ALL doable in Pages.

    I can print to my printer with my iPad. I do it all the time. I actually have my home network setup so I can print to any application of my choosing too.

    I also have Sketchbook Ink, Final Draft, OneNote, Steinberg's touch based version of Cubase (Cubasis) which lets me pull stuff between the two versions, Texas Instruments' TI-Nspire CAS, among some other stuff.

    And they're made for touch. And that's why I like the iPad. Because it's easy to mix in a Moleskine notebook, a reference book, or whatever, and not have to fiddle with trying to navigate the screen with a non-Metro app. You do more and think less.

    I agree that those people shouldn't be saying it's a computer replacement though, still doesn't mean it's not a device you can be productive on.
    11-01-2013 02:26 AM
  12. techiez's Avatar
    I agree that those people shouldn't be saying it's a computer replacement though, still doesn't mean it's not a device you can be productive on.
    Agreed, but point is these over enthusiastic analysts have gone overboard to please Apple, they are not at all qualified to write any piece on the internet.
    11-01-2013 05:16 AM
  13. christenmartin's Avatar
    So your agreeing with everybody that it is not a laptop replacement and the surface is more of an tablet pc. No one said you can't be productive on an Ipad. I love the I can print from my ipad. I can print from my surface and it takes me 2 seconds to plug it in and print. The problem with the subject matter of this post is the on going illusion that is perpetuated by tech media that apple products are still revolutionary. That is the brilliants of apple though. When you can convince the people that what you sell is special they don't mind spending a lot of money. they actually defend it.
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    11-01-2013 05:26 AM
  14. omgitsnick's Avatar
    No they don't.

    An iPad is suitable for typing up an essay. That is the only TYPE of writing you ever do in grade school. And Pages is suitable for doing so. You can't do any scripting in it, but it is very similar to Word when it comes to the basis. And all an essay needs is a cover page, the text with proper headers, subheadings, footnotes, and the cited work. That is ALL doable in Pages.

    I can print to my printer with my iPad. I do it all the time. I actually have my home network setup so I can print to any application of my choosing too.

    I also have Sketchbook Ink, Final Draft, OneNote, Steinberg's touch based version of Cubase (Cubasis) which lets me pull stuff between the two versions, Texas Instruments' TI-Nspire CAS, among some other stuff.

    And they're made for touch. And that's why I like the iPad. Because it's easy to mix in a Moleskine notebook, a reference book, or whatever, and not have to fiddle with trying to navigate the screen with a non-Metro app. You do more and think less.

    I agree that those people shouldn't be saying it's a computer replacement though, still doesn't mean it's not a device you can be productive on.
    Yes, an iPad would be suitable in grade school. But for university students, this is only good for reading books and lecture notes as typing on-screen is hard enough and bringing a separate keyboard is a bulk in the bag. In most universities (like mine), they give you the option to print directly from your own computer, and yes, the iPad is not very good at this. They also give you the option to download the slides, and also watch lecture recordings. So in a way, a Surface is more beneficial to a university student because you can watch lectures while typing notes side by side, comes with Office Home and Student suite (Surface RT / 2), and has access to network printers!

    I agree that an iPad shouldn't be considered as a PC replacement, and it is a productive device in a way, like a sketchbook or a diary - it's those little things in the house that can be replaced by an iPad, but it isn't something that can replace even a netbook which performs as good as, if not worse than a Surface RT.
    11-01-2013 05:35 AM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    In the Summary: "As far as specs go, the Surface 2 is a very realistic competitor to the iPad, and even beats it in a few areas such as the camera and connectivity"

    The camera section however is a "Draw".

    Biased for sure but I'd actually say reviews are getting more positive towards the Surface. No longer are they "We don't understand it so it's crap", now they're more "We like our iPad so that's better but this has some neat features".

    People are coming around to all the extra power the Surface brings over the iPad. It will be about the apps now... that is where Microsoft have to push hard. Sound familiar?
    11-01-2013 07:38 AM
  16. Johnny5point6's Avatar
    I think that products in the coming months like new little Dell, which runs full Windows 8.1, are going to change people's minds. I still don't understand how people don't understand how drastically more versatile Windows tablets are. I showed off Windows 8.1 on my Surface Pro (with the three snapped apps) to a friend who worms at Apple and she literally said "why would you need to have two apps sides by side?" I was dumbfounded. I know of a billion reasons why, but I was so exhausted thinking about how she couldn't understand, I just kinda stared. All this, while I was running Photoshop quietly on my desktop's background. Surface Pros are literally laptop replacements, because they're laptops!
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    11-01-2013 07:47 AM
  17. Johnny5point6's Avatar
    The Surface and Surface Pro are just glorified Tablet PCs with another name. Microsoft didn't do anything special there either, except make it smaller.
    Well, the iPad is nothing but a glorified iPhone. And making a tablet PC more user friendly, and more capable is more impressive than making a big iPhone, IMO.
    11-01-2013 07:51 AM
  18. ohgood's Avatar
    Fine young cannibal: Apple's iPad Air competes with laptops for mass market computing - Computerworld

    What is happening to all these tech blogs filled with iSheep reviewers.

    there is some truth to it. people are much more interested in tablets than another laptop, or desktop, computer. the old laptop/desktop still does what it did 3 years ago, so instead of spending $700 on a new (and not much better) laptop/desktop...

    they buy a tablet instead.

    the tablet is extremely portable, has a very good picture/video capability, gps, wifi, and does a lot of things their normal laptop/desktop used to do.

    it's not that this is an ipad thing, it's a -mobile- thing. see through the bias of my OS of choice vs your OS of choice vs their OS of choice, and enjoy the incredibly cheap, portable hardware available, right now.
    11-01-2013 07:56 AM
  19. christenmartin's Avatar
    In the Summary: "As far as specs go, the Surface 2 is a very realistic competitor to the iPad, and even beats it in a few areas such as the camera and connectivity"

    The camera section however is a "Draw".


    Biased for sure but I'd actually say reviews are getting more positive towards the Surface. No longer are they "We don't understand it so it's crap", now they're more "We like our iPad so that's better but this has some neat features".

    People are coming around to all the extra power the Surface brings over the iPad. It will be about the apps now... that is where Microsoft have to push hard. Sound familiar?
    I like that. the glass is half full.
    11-01-2013 08:50 AM
  20. spaulagain's Avatar
    The Surface and Surface Pro are just glorified Tablet PCs with another name. Microsoft didn't do anything special there either, except make it smaller.
    huh? Didn't do anything special? I think the Surface and Surface Pro did more to innovate and improve the tablet than any other device.

    The touch and type keyboards alone make it pretty amazing compared to the competition.

    I think these two devices embody exactly what the market will be over the next 5 years.
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    11-01-2013 08:53 AM
  21. Jas00555's Avatar
    No they don't.

    An iPad is suitable for typing up an essay. That is the only TYPE of writing you ever do in grade school. And Pages is suitable for doing so. You can't do any scripting in it, but it is very similar to Word when it comes to the basis. And all an essay needs is a cover page, the text with proper headers, subheadings, footnotes, and the cited work. That is ALL doable in Pages.

    I can print to my printer with my iPad. I do it all the time. I actually have my home network setup so I can print to any application of my choosing too.

    I also have Sketchbook Ink, Final Draft, OneNote, Steinberg's touch based version of Cubase (Cubasis) which lets me pull stuff between the two versions, Texas Instruments' TI-Nspire CAS, among some other stuff.

    And they're made for touch. And that's why I like the iPad. Because it's easy to mix in a Moleskine notebook, a reference book, or whatever, and not have to fiddle with trying to navigate the screen with a non-Metro app. You do more and think less.

    I agree that those people shouldn't be saying it's a computer replacement though, still doesn't mean it's not a device you can be productive on.
    I don't know about you, but I am not typing up a 3-page paper on an iPad. That would be horrendous. Also, congratulations on having one of the few printers with airprint. Most people don't have that.
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    11-01-2013 09:21 AM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    That said, neither the Surface Pro nor an iPad is a laptop replacement for me. The screens are too small, and I just hate the idea of trying to render a 3D modeled scene on a machine that small.
    Right, but at least the Surface Pro could run your x86 3D rendering software and could extend or be duplicated to an external monitor. Point being a Pro can run application for real world professionals because its running a full OS...while iOS is a cute toy to check emails, browse the internet, watch a movie and play Angry Birds. As you and others have stated, this is what a big part of the market uses their computing to do...and thats fine. But lets stop pretending to blur the line between PC and iPad...very different computing devices.

    And on the point of Cubasis...while its a fun little tool, much like FL Groove...its not even close in terms of power and functionality the the true application parent brings.
    Last edited by chezm; 11-01-2013 at 09:48 AM.
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    11-01-2013 09:35 AM
  23. rebornempowered's Avatar
    I don't know about you, but I am not typing up a 3-page paper on an iPad. That would be horrendous.
    For my graduate program I have to travel 2 times a year to the campus which is several hundred miles away. We have a lot to take with us and most people travel a lot further than I do so I wasn't surprised the first time I saw people in class with iPad's + a keyboard for it. Disliking Apple as much as I do I observed closely how this experiment went.

    First they fumbled to get it to stand up and the keyboard the people had was not very good at holding it up or even transporting with the device. They fumbled through taking notes between touching the screen and needing to type. Two of the three that had them also had to have it plugged in (which surprised me, I will assume they didn't charge before they came though).

    A few months later when we returned 2 of the 3 had their old laptops and didn't even bring their iPad with them to the school. By this time I had my Surface. I took it out, used the kickstand and type keyboard, used my Bluetooth mouse when necessary, and did not once need to attach external power.

    I had several people ask me what my device was. I travel again in January and will be interested to see how many tablets make an appearance this time.
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    11-01-2013 09:35 AM
  24. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    For my graduate program I have to travel 2 times a year to the campus which is several hundred miles away. We have a lot to take with us and most people travel a lot further than I do so I wasn't surprised the first time I saw people in class with iPad's + a keyboard for it. Disliking Apple as much as I do I observed closely how this experiment went.

    First they fumbled to get it to stand up and the keyboard the people had was not very good at holding it up or even transporting with the device. They fumbled through taking notes between touching the screen and needing to type. Two of the three that had them also had to have it plugged in (which surprised me, I will assume they didn't charge before they came though).

    A few months later when we returned 2 of the 3 had their old laptops and didn't even bring their iPad with them to the school. By this time I had my Surface. I took it out, used the kickstand and type keyboard, used my Bluetooth mouse when necessary, and did not once need to attach external power.

    I had several people ask me what my device was. I travel again in January and will be interested to see how many tablets make an appearance this time.
    I can offer a different first hand account. I have a 64GB iPad 4 with a Logitech Ultrathin keyboard cover. I attended an intensive week-long training program 5 months ago and used this combination (at the time I used the Apple BT keyboard w/origami cover). 5 days, 9 hours of instruction per day. I started each day with a full charge. With wifi and Bluetooth continuously active and typing nearly the entire time, I ended the day with about 55% battery life.

    I didn't fumble getting things set up. And the desks were actually those all-in-one chair with tiny writing surface. My classmates with laptops had to plug in at least twice during the 9 hours.
    Since then, switching from the Apple keyboard w/origami to the Logitech ultrathin keyboard cover made a HUGE difference in portability with virtually no impact on the typing experience.

    The iPad can absolutely be used for extended typing and document creation. My only gripe with the experience is the lack of hardware connectivity... no SD card, USB drives, etc. Printing is severely limited to those AirPrint-capable printers.
    11-01-2013 12:22 PM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    I can offer a different first hand account. I have a 64GB iPad 4 with a Logitech Ultrathin keyboard cover. I attended an intensive week-long training program 5 months ago and used this combination (at the time I used the Apple BT keyboard w/origami cover). 5 days, 9 hours of instruction per day. I started each day with a full charge. With wifi and Bluetooth continuously active and typing nearly the entire time, I ended the day with about 55% battery life.

    I didn't fumble getting things set up. And the desks were actually those all-in-one chair with tiny writing surface. My classmates with laptops had to plug in at least twice during the 9 hours.
    Since then, switching from the Apple keyboard w/origami to the Logitech ultrathin keyboard cover made a HUGE difference in portability with virtually no impact on the typing experience.

    The iPad can absolutely be used for extended typing and document creation. My only gripe with the experience is the lack of hardware connectivity... no SD card, USB drives, etc. Printing is severely limited to those AirPrint-capable printers.
    while I don't disagree with your experience, I would like to point out that you still have IOS 6, whereas numerous people I know who have IOS 7 have said that it kills their battery ;)
    11-01-2013 12:40 PM
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