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01-11-2014 09:49 AM
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  1. Insti Gator's Avatar
    Dude did you even read my reply?! No where in my post did I compare the T100 to the Surface RT! I literally just compared the new T100 to the previous Asus Vivotab RT!

    You are the one who keeps saying the same thing over and over "RT would be cheaper" - Guess what? It's not! No RT device has been cheaper than an equivalent power and battery Win8 device Hence why I'm telling you they are pointless!

    The only semi-valid response is security, and even then I have never gotten a virus on any of my WIN8 devices, maybe lay off the prons?

    Here is the problem with your argument. You are comparing cheap full win8 tablets to nice rt tablets. The cheap tablets all have bad screens and build quality and the only to rt devices left have awesome builds and screens. You can't just say the same things over and over again and make people believe them. If there was a modern rt device that had a bad screen and poor build quality like your beloved t100 then it would be a lot cheaper. But there is not a cheap rt device out there now except for last years surface which was a first attempt by Microsoft.
    12-11-2013 10:15 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    Dude did you even read my reply?! No where in my post did I compare the T100 to the Surface RT! I literally just compared the new T100 to the previous Asus Vivotab RT!

    You are the one who keeps saying the same thing over and over "RT would be cheaper" - Guess what? It's not! No RT device has been cheaper than an equivalent power and battery Win8 device Hence why I'm telling you they are pointless!

    The only semi-valid response is security, and even then I have never gotten a virus on any of my WIN8 devices, maybe lay off the prons?
    You act as if security isn't a big deal. It is.

    Whether you like it or not, it is.

    People don't have to be surfing porn sites. All it takes if for them to be technically challenged, and they can easily be tricked into opening or clicking things that they shouldn't open or click.

    Heck, even technically savvy people may end up downloading free software because it is supposed to accomplish a simple task, like renaming files. But they may still end up with a program with a trojan or other malware.
    12-11-2013 10:37 PM
  3. Insti Gator's Avatar
    Totally fair! I completely accept that.

    You know mac os is even more secure than RT..... so then it is a much better OS than WIN8 or RT?

    You act as if security isn't a big deal. It is.

    Whether you like it or not, it is.

    People don't have to be surfing porn sites. All it takes if for them to be technically challenged, and they can easily be tricked into opening or clicking things that they shouldn't open or click.

    Heck, even technically savvy people may end up downloading free software because it is supposed to accomplish a simple task, like renaming files. But they may still end up with a program with a trojan or other malware.
    Last edited by Insti Gator; 12-11-2013 at 10:58 PM.
    12-11-2013 10:40 PM
  4. Insti Gator's Avatar
    This article exactly voices my sentiments : As Dell drops out, Microsoft still doesn’t give buyers a reason to pick Windows RT | Ars Technica

    No OEM's produce RT devices any longer, they all saw them as useless.
    12-11-2013 11:06 PM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    Totally fair! I completely accept that.

    You know mac os is even more secure than RT..... so then it is a much better OS than WIN8 or RT?
    MacOS is NOT more secure than RT. The fact that you would suggest it shows that you don't really understand what makes RT secure.
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    12-11-2013 11:55 PM
  6. Citizen X's Avatar
    1520 is Windows Phone 8.1, not RT. Did you mean 2520?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
    Lol. Yes, 2520. I got 4 windows devices in a week.
    12-12-2013 06:44 AM
  7. Citizen X's Avatar
    You know mac os is even more secure than RT..... so then it is a much better OS than WIN8 or RT?
    This is so untrue I don't know how to respond.
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    12-12-2013 06:48 AM
  8. JaiMento's Avatar
    I love my T100 and all, but the thing is very cheaply made. You can tell just by picking it up. Heck, for some odd reason, whenever you launch the People app, the white balance on the display changes.

    If I didn't need the desktop application support, I would gladly pay the extra to get a Surface 2 w/ Type Cover 2. Better build quality with better materials, better Gorilla Glass style screen with higher resolution, rear facing camera, full sized USB 3.0 port on the device, can stand on it's own without need for a dock or case, don't have to detach a dock to use device as a tablet (just fold keyboard back), more secure OS environment, etc etc etc ...

    Edit: I'd also take a Bay Trail tablet if it was ~10", 1080p screen, Gorilla Glass (or similar), full sized USB 3.0 on device, HDMI or better video out on device, front and rear facing cameras, used premium materials for body like aluminum/magnesium alloy, had 10+ hours of battery life, and came with an attachable keyboard and Office for $600 or less.

    Edit2: And on the discussion about the VivoTab RT. This is a last generation device that just hasn't seen a drastic price cut. I think you can find it now for about $350. Even then, things that the VivoTab RT has over the T100 is a more premium finish (metallic design), better dock with hidden hinge design and built in battery, rear facing 8MP auto-focus camera with 5-element lens, large F/2.2 aperture & back-illuminated CMOS sensor, NFC, Gorilla Glass, etc, etc, etc ..
    Last edited by JaiMento; 12-12-2013 at 05:12 PM.
    12-12-2013 01:25 PM
  9. rbiasca's Avatar
    Dude did you even read my reply?! No where in my post did I compare the T100 to the Surface RT! I literally just compared the new T100 to the previous Asus Vivotab RT!

    You are the one who keeps saying the same thing over and over "RT would be cheaper" - Guess what? It's not! No RT device has been cheaper than an equivalent power and battery Win8 device Hence why I'm telling you they are pointless!



    What, you missed the whole point of what i said. You cant even compare them equally because there are no similar devices. All of the rt devices that are still around have very good build quality and screens and everything you are talking about that is cheaper than rt has crappy build quality and screens. so you cant just say that rt is not cheaper its an apples to oranges comparison. And I believe this is only by second post in this thread so i dont see why you think that i keep saying the same thing over and over.

    The only semi-valid response is security, and even then I have never gotten a virus on any of my WIN8 devices, maybe lay off the prons?
    12-12-2013 08:25 PM
  10. Christopher Senn's Avatar
    I dont think RT should be supported anymore really.
    It goes against what MS is doing with tablets. It seems like a waste of time and a lost cause, or at least an uphill battle suffering many many losses.
    I was sad to see Nokia built an amazing tablet....with RT.
    12-25-2013 03:06 PM
  11. hopmedic's Avatar
    I dont think RT should be supported anymore really.
    It goes against what MS is doing with tablets. It seems like a waste of time and a lost cause, or at least an uphill battle suffering many many losses.
    I was sad to see Nokia built an amazing tablet....with RT.
    This is the direction that Microsoft is going, and will continue to go, though. There will come a time when there is no more desktop. For now, that has to happen gradually, though, because so many are currently dependent upon Win32 applications, but as time goes on, and the Metro apps grow and mature, eventually the desktop will disappear, at least for consumer versions of Windows.
    12-26-2013 11:47 AM
  12. Christopher Senn's Avatar
    This is the direction that Microsoft is going, and will continue to go, though. There will come a time when there is no more desktop. For now, that has to happen gradually, though, because so many are currently dependent upon Win32 applications, but as time goes on, and the Metro apps grow and mature, eventually the desktop will disappear, at least for consumer versions of Windows.
    its a disturbing thought though. How can MS compete against the popular well maintained Apple ecosystem or the super open do what you want Android ecosystem? They have soooo much more support over MS apps, even of MS gets more and more apps it will just be to catch up to its competitors. Xbox Music and MS apps are lacking big time. Only reason to pick up a Windows tablet is b/c it offers an x86 OS. I think the best and biggest move ive seen all year was when MS released a fully functional OS onto a tablet, now it seems they want to take that back. Following the path of Android and playing catch up would be MS biggest downfall. Google has too much talent and money to let MS go that direction. Seems Android is evolving and according to you MS is devolving
    12-26-2013 04:56 PM
  13. M Coffey's Avatar
    My two cents.

    I have been in IT since 1987 using Unix mainframes and having worked for companies such as Dell and Palm.
    I am currently a network engineer working in a large metropolitan hospital.

    First, I understand why a lot of people dislike Windows 8 (or RT) but if you have ever used Windows XP or Windows 7 on a
    tablet device for any amount of time, you will then completely understand why Microsoft came out with Windows 8.
    No more using my fingernail to launch applications from the Start menu.

    But, I am on a tangent. Back to point. I have also used (and still have) several UMPC devices. You get in the habit of
    installing programs to try and this and that and next thing you know the device is loaded down with programs most of which you
    use only once.

    Windows RT forces me to run a clean device. I can only download and install apps from the MS Store and these apps have
    been approved by Microsoft and will not leak memory like a sieve and they generally behave. Windows RT was not meant to replace
    my Windows PC as a primary device. My Windows RT tablet replaced my Android tablet and I have not looked back. IE 11 runs,
    for the most part, very smoothly and renders websites better than any Android browser out there. I can do just about anything
    on my RT tablet I can on my Android tablet. I like that I have access to the registry in Windows RT and as I am very familiar with
    how Windows works I am very comfortable in RT. Android looks and seems more "toy-ish" in comparison to Windows RT.
    The platform is very solid and its a dream to use. Battery lasts and what more can you want? Oh, and multi-tasking is most awesome on my RT.
    12-27-2013 03:19 AM
  14. bilzkh's Avatar
    To be honest, I don't view Windows RT as something particularly versatile, but that's not a bad thing.

    To me, Windows RT is a mark of distinction and focus, i.e. how Microsoft wants Windows to run today and in the future. Devices such as the Surface 2 are luxury items in a sense, i.e. devices you simply add to an existing armada of fully capable machines (in my case a Surface Pro and a desktop PC). Practically I use the Surface 2 as a casual use tablet: It is loaded with all of my Windows Store games, I do most of my couch browsing on it, and I may even tap into Office time to time to check stuff out. However, it is not something I depend upon (for that I have the Pro), it is simply a great device to have, for its own sake.

    This is not to say that it isn't a great device, it absolutely is... nor to say that it's useless, for most people and scenarios, it is fantastically useful... but it isn't a machine for you if you're going to spend your time looking for specific apps or drivers. It's a machine that's fun and useful in its own right. You need to appreciate that space in order to truly love the Surface 2 or any other Windows RT device, and in order to love that space, you should have more capable devices available to you beforehand (such as the Surface Pro or a laptop).

    I bought the Surface 2 because I felt that my Pro was becoming a pure productivity machine and that I could no longer afford to use it in a casual manner. Not only is my day job largely dependent on the Pro, but so are my wider professional interests (e.g. content creation, programming, learning, etc). Hence, I got a Surface 2 to leave around on my coffee table, for those times when I just need to pick something up in order to browse the web, play games, interact with my Xbox. And for that it does a phenomenal job, and given the casual focus, I'd much rather use RT than to risk any problems associated with x86, however unlikely they are at this point.
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    12-28-2013 04:12 PM
  15. FutureBSD's Avatar
    From my point of view the discussion shouldn't be Windows 8 vs Windows 8 RT. That's comparing apples and oranges.
    As we already noticed, that's like comparing iOS vs Mac OS.

    I think the main reason (for me at least) why RT will die under the CURRENT circumstances is, that there is something else in the game: Windows Phone.
    Windows Phone with the (mini/look-alike) modern design is already around for a while. It has come a long way to reach the current status, which also includes the apps/games.
    Coming up with Windows 8.x (which modern ui makes absolutely no sense on a desktop in my opinion) is not a bad thing at all. It's completely different to what we know (and again, for me personally modern ui makes no sense on a desktop computer) but still, it has the advantages of a full blown Windows. What I'm asking myself all the time is: Why the heck did MS come up with the idea of establishing another 3rd OS, Windows RT?
    It doesn't have the features of a full blown Windows 8 but it also can't use the things that have already been developed for Windows Phone 8.

    What happened with Apple is that they thought "We want ONE universal portable OS" and adjusted iOS to be able to handle higher resolutions and screen-sizes when they introduced the iPad. Existing apps just needed to be updated or adjusted but they were still in the store (low-res). If you wanted you could also use the iPhone apps and scale it to the iPad size (which looked crappy of course).

    Turning Windows Phone into a Windows RT would ABSOLUTELY make sense to me. The modern UI is fantastic for a tablet and it's already there for the phone (in a slightly different design).
    Isn't it the case that Microsoft recently decided to merge RT + WP? If so, that's the way to go. If not, RT won't be around for too long. My 2 cents
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    01-05-2014 08:38 PM
  16. hopmedic's Avatar
    Yes, lots of those people who have inside sources at Microsoft have reported that the Windows Phone and Windows RT operating systems will merge, as will the stores (this will be GREAT - we'll be able to get an app on one, and use it on the other without buying again!). I like the concept of RT, and don't disagree with getting rid of desktop for many users, but yes, the phone and the tablet having a common experience and common apps would be a great boost to it. At the moment, RT isn't mature enough to convince people that it really will be an OS that meets all of your needs, at least for many people.
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    01-05-2014 10:56 PM
  17. taymur's Avatar
    I realize this has been discussed ad nauseum, but maybe the conversation is now different w/the S2 and 2520.

    Anyway, for someone currently in the market for a W8 tablet, why should RT be considered?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    As i see it, Microsoft created the Windows RT to get rid of Windows 8 ATOM devices.

    If you are a collage student, trying to buy a (lets call it) low end laptop, with the purpose of browsing the internet, and consuming media, and write a paper (most probably not an engineer), you are better of with a Tergra 4 or a Snapdargon 800 device rather than the Intel Atom. my i5 3rd generation that has a separate AMD smth smth, doesnt run Apps in a good way.

    And no matter how much they advertise these ATOMs as they can run anything, we all know how bad they run everything, except the internet browser.
    01-05-2014 11:23 PM
  18. svenhassel's Avatar
    As i see it, Microsoft created the Windows RT to get rid of Windows 8 ATOM devices.

    If you are a collage student, trying to buy a (lets call it) low end laptop, with the purpose of browsing the internet, and consuming media, and write a paper (most probably not an engineer), you are better of with a Tergra 4 or a Snapdargon 800 device rather than the Intel Atom. my i5 3rd generation that has a separate AMD smth smth, doesnt run Apps in a good way.

    And no matter how much they advertise these ATOMs as they can run anything, we all know how bad they run everything, except the internet browser.
    Isn't bay trail very efficient actually?
    01-09-2014 04:40 PM
  19. JaiMento's Avatar
    Isn't bay trail very efficient actually?
    According to the benchmarks I've seen, Bay Trail is actually on par with the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800 in regards to general performance. I think it falls behind in graphics benchmarks, though.
    01-09-2014 05:14 PM
  20. svenhassel's Avatar
    According to the benchmarks I've seen, Bay Trail is actually on par with the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800 in regards to general performance. I think it falls behind in graphics benchmarks, though.
    Oh, then I would prefer the ability to use windows classic programs and lose performance in the game department. But I understand if other people choose otherwise.
    01-10-2014 05:29 AM
  21. M Coffey's Avatar
    Here is another reason.

    It has forced me to learn Windows 8 from a touch perspective,

    I have had Windows 8 Pro on my desktop, my laptop and my media center for nearly a year. I also had it installed on a Windows 7
    tablet but it did not work that great (touch wise) since I had to use a wacom pen and it had a bezel around the screen.

    On all of these device I mainly lived in my desktop using them just like Windows 7.

    Now, on my Windows RT, I **HAVE** to do things in Metro. I know..they want to call it Modern UI. I think the name Metro has stuck
    no matter what Microsoft says. But, I have learned how great the swipe works, whether its up, down, left or right. How the
    multitasking and split screen works. How the IE 11 Metro is different. Lots more of the settings. And it's actually much more fun
    to use than Android. (I have never used an Ipad).

    I am in IT and I love learning new things. Now I had a reason to learn all this great stuff!

    Yes, you can learn it on a tablet running full Windows 8 but really, how much of the time will you stay in the desktop? Isn't
    the main complaint of people with RT? They can't run regular desktop apps? Which aren't even touch friendly?

    I'll keep my RT.
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    01-11-2014 03:40 AM
  22. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I imagine the new Microsoft CEO will be asking this question.
    01-11-2014 09:38 AM
  23. dkediger's Avatar
    Here is another reason.

    It has forced me to learn Windows 8 from a touch perspective,

    I have had Windows 8 Pro on my desktop, my laptop and my media center for nearly a year. I also had it installed on a Windows 7
    tablet but it did not work that great (touch wise) since I had to use a wacom pen and it had a bezel around the screen.

    On all of these device I mainly lived in my desktop using them just like Windows 7.

    Now, on my Windows RT, I **HAVE** to do things in Metro. I know..they want to call it Modern UI. I think the name Metro has stuck
    no matter what Microsoft says. But, I have learned how great the swipe works, whether its up, down, left or right. How the
    multitasking and split screen works. How the IE 11 Metro is different. Lots more of the settings. And it's actually much more fun
    to use than Android. (I have never used an Ipad).

    I am in IT and I love learning new things. Now I had a reason to learn all this great stuff!

    Yes, you can learn it on a tablet running full Windows 8 but really, how much of the time will you stay in the desktop? Isn't
    the main complaint of people with RT? They can't run regular desktop apps? Which aren't even touch friendly?

    I'll keep my RT.
    Very similar to my perspective, and why I'm picking up a 2520....
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