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  1. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    Sounds a lot like my dad's setup, though he didn't OC his 8350, and he got water coolers for his dual 290X cards. Granted, he's now got either a board or a CPU issue and will have to get that replaced, and he had at least 1 of his RAM sticks go bad, and he was too lazy to RMA them. What do you have for a board?
    I have a gigabyte board, as long as you have 8 phase voltage you can push the oc some 4 phases struggle I had one before limited me to 4.6ghz.

    Its fine water cooling the 290x but if there cooled the 8350 bottlenecks badly i7 too before fanboys go on! If you o/c bench mark to get the sweet spot with 3d mark! I o/c my graphics to 15% its slower than 7.5% due to heat and processor too slow! - example!
    12-17-2014 11:32 AM
  2. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    What do you mean "too lazy to RMA them"? As far as I know, almost every RAM manufacturer has a lifetime warranty on their sticks (and I think the ones that don't have that give you at least 10years)^^
    I mean exactly what I said. He knows the sticks are bad, and that they're under warranty, but he just is too lazy to go through the RMA process. As such, he's got only 2 of his 4 sticks in his computer right now, though it now sounds like his board or CPU is bad, and he'll need to RMA whichever is bad, and he'll probably send the RAM sticks out with it.
    12-17-2014 03:27 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I have a gigabyte board, as long as you have 8 phase voltage you can push the oc some 4 phases struggle I had one before limited me to 4.6ghz.

    Its fine water cooling the 290x but if there cooled the 8350 bottlenecks badly i7 too before fanboys go on! If you o/c bench mark to get the sweet spot with 3d mark! I o/c my graphics to 15% its slower than 7.5% due to heat and processor too slow! - example!
    My dad bought the cards to do cryptocoin mining (told him it was a bad investment, and it was even worse than I expected), so at the time, he was running the cards at 95% load for mining. As we got into the warmer months of spring and summer, the GPUs were getting hotter than he liked, so he got the water coolers (then proceeded to make exactly 0 use of them, as he quit mining before putting them on). It's been a long time since he's even OCed a CPU, I think, yet he got a Corsair H100i for his 8350 as well, just as a means of keeping the temps down while mining (which, again, he gave up on before getting all of the coolers running).

    So, to summarize: My dad's a bit nuts at times.

    Anyway, he got the ASRock Fatal1ty board (I have an ASRock Extreme with my 4670K myself), and it might be bad. He's gone with ASUS for a long time now, though switched because ASRock is/was an ASUS subset, and the ASRock offered more for less (same reason I replaced my AMD ASUS board with an ASRock Intel one in January).
    12-17-2014 03:31 PM
  4. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    Well mining bit coins on those cards are kind if silly, 4 medium cards would of been cheaper on electric and heat probably better on the cpu Each to their own I guess :S
    12-18-2014 04:04 AM
  5. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I mean exactly what I said. He knows the sticks are bad, and that they're under warranty, but he just is too lazy to go through the RMA process. As such, he's got only 2 of his 4 sticks in his computer right now, though it now sounds like his board or CPU is bad, and he'll need to RMA whichever is bad, and he'll probably send the RAM sticks out with it.
    Ah, okay^^ Thought you meant that he wasn't ever gonna RMA them. Would be a shame to not take advantage of that lifetime warranty but RMAing parts without having a spare is annoying, I can understand that.

    Damn. Troubleshooting pc parts is a pain in the ****.

    edit: really? I can't even say b-u-t-t here? come on.....reeks of British censorship
    12-18-2014 04:12 AM
  6. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Well mining bit coins on those cards are kind if silly, 4 medium cards would of been cheaper on electric and heat probably better on the cpu Each to their own I guess :S
    At the time, the 290X cards did a solid job, and it's why they were nearly impossible to find online. Their prices even jumped from $550 to north of $600 for a long while (my dad got them at $500), but my dad decided to wait to sell his coins, and the prices tanked by about 80%.

    Ah, okay^^ Thought you meant that he wasn't ever gonna RMA them. Would be a shame to not take advantage of that lifetime warranty but RMAing parts without having a spare is annoying, I can understand that.

    Damn. Troubleshooting pc parts is a pain in the ****.

    edit: really? I can't even say b-u-t-t here? come on.....reeks of British censorship
    I don't know how Corsair would handle the RMA. He got a quad-channel kit, I think, and he might be required to send all 4 sticks back (instead of just the 1 or 2 bad sticks). Even then, I've got 4 sticks myself, 32 GB total, and I don't even use 8 GB, so he would have spares he could borrow, if he wasn't lazy. Meanwhile, he doesn't know if his board or CPU is bad, but he THINKS it's the CPU. His AM3+ board supports his old Phenom, and I think he had that pairing running just fine, but since his AM3 board won't take the FX CPU, he can't totally verify. That said, if his AM3+ board boots with the Phenom and not the FX, you'd think he would reason that the 8350 is the problem, but he isn't ready to call it that yet, for whatever reason.
    12-18-2014 07:19 PM
  7. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I don't know how Corsair would handle the RMA. He got a quad-channel kit, I think, and he might be required to send all 4 sticks back (instead of just the 1 or 2 bad sticks). Even then, I've got 4 sticks myself, 32 GB total, and I don't even use 8 GB, so he would have spares he could borrow, if he wasn't lazy. Meanwhile, he doesn't know if his board or CPU is bad, but he THINKS it's the CPU. His AM3+ board supports his old Phenom, and I think he had that pairing running just fine, but since his AM3 board won't take the FX CPU, he can't totally verify. That said, if his AM3+ board boots with the Phenom and not the FX, you'd think he would reason that the 8350 is the problem, but he isn't ready to call it that yet, for whatever reason.
    Yep, I would guess they want the whole kit back. Just sending another stick back wouldn't guarantee that it will work fine with the other sticks. It probably would but the kits that are sold are tested to work together flawlessly.
    Most PC users don't need more than 8GB. More is only required for rendering and editing. Most people could even get by with 4GB if they didn't multitask. But it's better to be safe than sorry :-)
    Even with 9 tabs open in Firefox (one of them YouTube with a video playing), Steam open and playing Kingdoms of Amalur I only use 34% (~2,6GB) of my 8GB RAM^^ Hm....I'm curious what I have to do to get over 50% or more^^

    Sounds absolutely logical.
    12-19-2014 02:51 AM
  8. Ljay 263's Avatar
    cool
    12-19-2014 03:08 AM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Yep, I would guess they want the whole kit back. Just sending another stick back wouldn't guarantee that it will work fine with the other sticks. It probably would but the kits that are sold are tested to work together flawlessly.
    Most PC users don't need more than 8GB. More is only required for rendering and editing. Most people could even get by with 4GB if they didn't multitask. But it's better to be safe than sorry :-)
    Even with 9 tabs open in Firefox (one of them YouTube with a video playing), Steam open and playing Kingdoms of Amalur I only use 34% (~2,6GB) of my 8GB RAM^^ Hm....I'm curious what I have to do to get over 50% or more^^

    Sounds absolutely logical.
    I got this RAM back in 2012, I think. At the time, I was still playing WoW, and I'd run Zune for music at the same time. While tabbed out of WoW, with music playing, and with several browser tabs open, I was just scraping 4 GB. So, I asked for 8 GB of RAM for Christmas, but my dad (again, not the most logical/frugal person with computer decisions) got me 32 GB. Now, as I type this, I'm sitting at 2.5 GB used. I have 3 browser tabs, Steam, Trillian, Unified Remote, and uTorrent running. Only IE (415 MB) is above 75 MB.

    I could probably suck up 8 GB of RAM, if I REALLY tried. I'd have to get WoW running (again, not playing it now, though), probably open MusicBee, then do my daily Bing searches (which I often do by opening about 90 browser tabs in rapid succession, to meet their Bing Rewards search requirements). Even then, it might not be enough. Newer games like Advanced Warfare will allegedly use several GB of RAM (AW requires a PC with 6+ GB of RAM).
    12-19-2014 12:33 PM
  10. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I got this RAM back in 2012, I think. At the time, I was still playing WoW, and I'd run Zune for music at the same time. While tabbed out of WoW, with music playing, and with several browser tabs open, I was just scraping 4 GB. So, I asked for 8 GB of RAM for Christmas, but my dad (again, not the most logical/frugal person with computer decisions) got me 32 GB. Now, as I type this, I'm sitting at 2.5 GB used. I have 3 browser tabs, Steam, Trillian, Unified Remote, and uTorrent running. Only IE (415 MB) is above 75 MB.

    I could probably suck up 8 GB of RAM, if I REALLY tried. I'd have to get WoW running (again, not playing it now, though), probably open MusicBee, then do my daily Bing searches (which I often do by opening about 90 browser tabs in rapid succession, to meet their Bing Rewards search requirements). Even then, it might not be enough. Newer games like Advanced Warfare will allegedly use several GB of RAM (AW requires a PC with 6+ GB of RAM).
    Haha, my last PC only had 3GB of DDR2 RAM (1x 2GB, 2x 512mb...no idea who the hell thought of that pairing (it was a pre-built PC from the shelf)). I guess as long as a few certain specs are met (max. 1.5V, 8-16GB, dual rank, 1600-1866MHz) it doesn't matter which RAM you get, not much difference in quality. And to be honest, the two things I look most at when I'm browsing RAM for fun are: price and color/form of the heatspreaders xD Would be a waste of money though if I bought new RAM just for the looks (and not even having a rig that matches colors) xD

    The RAM requirement for AW is ridiculous. A 1st Gen. i3 and a GPU with only 1GB are okay but it still needs 6GB? Oh, EA.....
    12-19-2014 05:18 PM
  11. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    It is probably bloated, which game you could patch from 6gb down to 2gb?
    12-19-2014 11:52 PM
  12. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    It is probably bloated, which game you could patch from 6gb down to 2gb?
    I have no knowledge about how games are programmed but I could imagine that the game is loading a certain amount of it into the RAM and use it partly as a buffer (like, 4GB for the current level and 2GB as a buffer).

    Or it's just bloated as you stated, and poorly optimized. Maybe I'm giving Activision too much credit and just assume that they know what they're doing.

    I guess most people who play modern games in high graphics settings already have 8GB of RAM or more in their system. I personally have an i3 and R7 260X paired with 8GB of RAM but the requirements still look weird to me^^
    12-20-2014 04:57 AM
  13. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    I have no knowledge about how games are programmed but I could imagine that the game is loading a certain amount of it into the RAM and use it partly as a buffer (like, 4GB for the current level and 2GB as a buffer).

    Or it's just bloated as you stated, and poorly optimized. Maybe I'm giving Activision too much credit and just assume that they know what they're doing.

    I guess most people who play modern games in high graphics settings already have 8GB of RAM or more in their system. I personally have an i3 and R7 260X paired with 8GB of RAM but the requirements still look weird to me^^
    Take for example watch dogs, they needed super spec recommended was 8350/i7 with 16gb ram and 290x/ 780ti. The truth is they dumbed it down. I suspect bad coding alot of time, the 6gb used on that game i mentioned was bloated as there was a patch that you could illegally download that dropped it down to 2gb the game quality was the same. I saw assassins creed game recently same Ubisoft company with stupid requirements of i7/6gb/r9 280 as recommended. Min was i5/4gb/ r7260. From people reviews on steam the game got stupid slow on decent system spec's. I just think they are trying to bloat everything now so they can move hardware sales!
    12-20-2014 08:41 AM
  14. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Take for example watch dogs, they needed super spec recommended was 8350/i7 with 16gb ram and 290x/ 780ti. The truth is they dumbed it down. I suspect bad coding alot of time, the 6gb used on that game i mentioned was bloated as there was a patch that you could illegally download that dropped it down to 2gb the game quality was the same. I saw assassins creed game recently same Ubisoft company with stupid requirements of i7/6gb/r9 280 as recommended. Min was i5/4gb/ r7260. From people reviews on steam the game got stupid slow on decent system spec's. I just think they are trying to bloat everything now so they can move hardware sales!
    Looks like most AAA titles are just very badly coded. AC Unity had similar requirements and is full of glitches. Ubisoft, EA and Activision need to get their **** together. Not a problem for me, though. I've been ignoring their games because of overhyping and not keeping promises. The problem is if they get away with crappy coded games then other publishers will try the same.
    12-20-2014 03:19 PM
  15. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Bad coding and lazy porting are a big issue with many games now, Watch Dogs being a really good example. With CoD, it's probably a combination of bad coding and realistic expectation. Like I said, my computer's using 2-2.5 GB of RAM in a near-idle state (nothing RAM-heavy running). So, they might say that 6 GB of RAM is required for the game, but only 3 GB might be the game. The other 3 GB could come from the expectation that people multitask, and the reality that the OS needs RAM as well. I don't know what Advanced Warfare eats up while actually running though, so I can't say for sure.

    The real thing is, companies can somewhat get away with bad ports and bloated code, depending on how a game is made. If you build it with textures and such aimed at console hardware, having crap coding on a high-end gaming PC won't be AS troublesome when you port lazily, as the vastly superior hardware (an i5 and 280X would obliterate an Xbox One or PS4, let alone an i7 and a 290X) can somewhat make up for it. Then you have games where the software has a fit with SLI/CrossFire. I can't recall which, but there have been a few recent releases where the games would run better on one GPU than two, just because they handled dual-card setups so poorly (Watch Dogs might have been one).
    12-20-2014 10:59 PM
  16. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    Finally replaced my mouse and pad (although the pad is just for some time until I can find a better pad).

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    01-29-2015 02:26 AM
  17. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I've got the same mouse. It's decent, and definitely holding up a lot better than the other mice I had (MX518, G500 or something), where the cable tangled and split. My only complaint is the scroll wheel. I hate the slick surface and shallow notches because they make it hard to have a good grip on the wheel while scrolling. It just feels weird. Whenever I'm browsing pages, I leave the wheel unlocked because it's suchn and awkward experience. I miss the rubberized wheels.
    01-29-2015 02:18 PM
  18. someone2639's Avatar
    My rig specs:
    18 54 inch chrome plated wheels
    Fm radio
    2477 sq ft.

    Just kidding
    8 GB ram
    I5 4th Gen.
    128 GB SSD
    1 GB SD card
    Full HD display
    Etc.
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    01-29-2015 02:40 PM
  19. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    I've got the same mouse. It's decent, and definitely holding up a lot better than the other mice I had (MX518, G500 or something), where the cable tangled and split. My only complaint is the scroll wheel. I hate the slick surface and shallow notches because they make it hard to have a good grip on the wheel while scrolling. It just feels weird. Whenever I'm browsing pages, I leave the wheel unlocked because it's suchn and awkward experience. I miss the rubberized wheels.
    That's really strange. I often see/hear the scroll wheel as the only complaint in reviews. I have no problems with it at all O.o Never slipped once and I usually sweat when using the mouse which should make it even more difficult to use the scroll wheel. Actually, I like the scroll wheel a lot better than the one on my Roccat Kone (fortunately mine didn't break like it seemed to be the case with a lot of them). I like the heaviness of it and the free-spin mode is very handy on sites like reddit. when locked, it kinda feels a bit "whobbly" (I guess due to the weight of the wheel itself and the 'weak' resistance. But other than that I really do like it.

    What bugs me more is the fact that the blue plastic and lighting are not the same shade -_-
    01-30-2015 01:24 AM
  20. martinmc78's Avatar
    Well its been a while since I posted - Coffee table has gone - replaced it with 10389070_506748719465316_4969604972771507903_n.jpg10688244_506748816131973_5633946720126860285_o.jpg

    Specs still the same
    01-30-2015 06:32 AM
  21. martinmc78's Avatar
    If you want to view the full build thread its here
    Vacant Mind Gaming
    01-30-2015 07:00 AM
  22. someone2639's Avatar
    Well its been a while since I posted - Coffee table has gone - replaced it with Click image for larger version. 

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    Specs still the same
    *gets inspired to build a gaming machine*
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    01-30-2015 07:29 AM
  23. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    That's really strange. I often see/hear the scroll wheel as the only complaint in reviews. I have no problems with it at all O.o Never slipped once and I usually sweat when using the mouse which should make it even more difficult to use the scroll wheel. Actually, I like the scroll wheel a lot better than the one on my Roccat Kone (fortunately mine didn't break like it seemed to be the case with a lot of them). I like the heaviness of it and the free-spin mode is very handy on sites like reddit. when locked, it kinda feels a bit "whobbly" (I guess due to the weight of the wheel itself and the 'weak' resistance. But other than that I really do like it.

    What bugs me more is the fact that the blue plastic and lighting are not the same shade -_-
    It's not so much that it slips, it just feels awkward. I like the free-scroll as well (something I got with one of my first Logitech mice a few years back, and something I missed when I replaced it), and I use it almost exclusively on web pages because the wheel itself is such an annoying material. It's solely about the coating on it, because it lends itself to being slick and uncomfortable. I almost want to cover it in glue or something, haha.
    01-30-2015 08:11 AM
  24. QwarkDreams's Avatar
    It's not so much that it slips, it just feels awkward. I like the free-scroll as well (something I got with one of my first Logitech mice a few years back, and something I missed when I replaced it), and I use it almost exclusively on web pages because the wheel itself is such an annoying material. It's solely about the coating on it, because it lends itself to being slick and uncomfortable. I almost want to cover it in glue or something, haha.
    Linus from LinusTechTips mentioned in his review that he thought about coating it with PlastiDip because he finds the scrollwheel to be slippery. Not sure though how (taking the mouse apart? coating a bit of it, waiting for it to dry, rotating it and coat another bit, waiting for it to try, and so on?) But if one was to take the mouse apart, one could also try to replace the wheel entirely for a more prefered one.


    Jump to ~2:17. Timestamps don't seem to be supported here.

    I kinda admire those modders. Screwing up most likely means the loss of money and still they rather risk it than putting up with something that's not unique or fits their idea and liking of it.
    01-30-2015 04:17 PM
  25. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Well its been a while since I posted - Coffee table has gone - replaced it with Click image for larger version. 

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    Specs still the same
    Please tell me that monitor is a touch-screen. I'm still rocking a touch monitor. Half tempted to hook up my touch monitor to my Dell Venue Pro 11 and see if I can get a dual touch screen setup going. Also, I have the same mousepad, but I have the Naga Epic 2012 (with removable sideplates) and the Razer DeathStalker Ultimate as opposed to your Naga and SteelSeries keyboard. Also got the Orbweaver for the gaming side of things. All in all, it's a very decent setup for me. Would have to try something as crazy as this in Japan though. Perhaps a fully loaded mobile operating suite that allows me to autopilot around Japan while using the computer?
    02-10-2015 06:00 PM
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