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  1. paulsalter's Avatar
    Not installed it on my 8" Linx, but have used it on my touch laptop so I have seen how the tablet interface is currently working

    I am hoping for a lot more changes to the continuum (make it work more like 8.1) as currently there is no way that 10 would be installed on my tablet, it is still far too desktop oriented for me to use on a tablet, needs full screen apps as deafult, no taskbar when using apps, the charms bar and the win 8 app switcher
    03-20-2015 01:09 PM
  2. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Not installed it on my 8" Linx, but have used it on my touch laptop so I have seen how the tablet interface is currently working

    I am hoping for a lot more changes to the continuum (make it work more like 8.1) as currently there is no way that 10 would be installed on my tablet, it is still far too desktop oriented for me to use on a tablet, needs full screen apps as deafult, no taskbar when using apps, the charms bar and the win 8 app switcher
    I'm hoping next week's fix for wimboot will let me jump to W10 finally on my Linx 8. Is taskbar is such a pain on tablet? I've heard it from many folks about taskbar issues.
    03-22-2015 06:27 AM
  3. paulsalter's Avatar
    I'm hoping next week's fix for wimboot will let me jump to W10 finally on my Linx 8. Is taskbar is such a pain on tablet? I've heard it from many folks about taskbar issues.
    Hi,
    For me the taskbar is too small and awkward to use on a tablet, I just don't really see the point in it being there
    If you go into desktop mode on your Linx, how easy to use do you find the icons at the right of the taskbar? (can you adjust the volume easier from here or from the charms bar using your finger, as an example)
    I don't personally like the mixing of UI and having one for all devices, touch designed elements can be used with a mouse, but they can seem odd, mouse elements are not very good to use with touch and can be almost impossible
    03-22-2015 07:07 AM
  4. swanlee's Avatar
    It seems stupid to shove desktop gui elements in tablet mode. They have a tablet and desktop mode now you'd figure each mode could be configured for optimal experience why have two modes when one of them is completely gimped.
    03-22-2015 08:26 AM
  5. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Hi,
    For me the taskbar is too small and awkward to use on a tablet, I just don't really see the point in it being there
    If you go into desktop mode on your Linx, how easy to use do you find the icons at the right of the taskbar? (can you adjust the volume easier from here or from the charms bar using your finger, as an example)
    I don't personally like the mixing of UI and having one for all devices, touch designed elements can be used with a mouse, but they can seem odd, mouse elements are not very good to use with touch and can be almost impossible
    It seems stupid to shove desktop gui elements in tablet mode. They have a tablet and desktop mode now you'd figure each mode could be configured for optimal experience why have two modes when one of them is completely gimped.
    ​So even though they've made 10041 build compatible with compressed OS (which are all 7 or 8 inch tabs) - I am assuming tablet mode doesn't really do anything more than run everything that is modern, in full screen?

    I think they are relying heavily on feedback from touch users as they probably figured, this is one of the smaller segments so this time around instead of pleasing smaller crowd, they have designed from larger screens, non touch users. Once the larger user base is pleased, at least adoption will increase. Then they want touch users like us, to probably load a plenty more feedback via feedback app to suggest what we think may make it better.

    What I am personally going to do is, once this week, it becomes compatible to jump from Windows 8.1 w/bing to 10041 build, get that build and give ample feedback from touch perspective. Do feel free to +me too if you see something related to touch interface - they are defo listening.
    03-23-2015 06:37 AM
  6. swanlee's Avatar
    Problem is I think they are running out of time to make any major GUI changes. I'm also worried as EVERYTHING they have showed off with Win 10 has had the taskbar always on even when demoing 8inch tablets and Joe B specifically tweeted the taskbar was their on purpose even for smaller tablets.

    If they could only give us more options in the Tablet mode setting to adjust the GUI to act more like win 8.1

    I just do not know why they felt the need to scrap everything in Win 8.1 in regards to tablet use. It was really solid for tablets and the GUI got out of your way whihc is what a good gui is supposed to to especially on a smaller touch enabled screen.

    Desktop users flipped out about Win 8.1 but tablet users had no problem with it.
    03-23-2015 07:37 AM
  7. paulsalter's Avatar
    I would like to think they are going to listen to the tablet users at some point and add in the features that where liked

    The reason for me of why I don't really think they will is that they have been deliberately removing more of the 8 style touch interface with each new build and making everything more desktop oriented

    hopefull they will surprise us later on (not too much time left for testing and making big changes), but if appears they have listened to the majority which are desktop users and just given everyone this interface

    I will certainly be trying these features on my touch laptop (I prefer the 8 experience on here even though most don't), so will decide later how this is working and if I want 10 on my tablet, currently it would be a no
    03-23-2015 08:57 AM
  8. Antonht's Avatar
    I updated in the last build and I didn't make a partition to restore back to windows 8.1...... And I have felt bad ever since.... The OS looks good and so, I will get it or my laptop. But for the tablet experience its horrible! I hope they make it possible in the tablet mode to act like in windows 8.1.... right now its pretty hard to use it without a keyboard for a 8 inch tablet.

    also why would they make more surface pro in the future or any touch device if the experience that worked out so well in windows 8.1 now is horrible in windows 10?

    Also, I don't always complain and I have a hope that they will fix this for the final release this summer.
    But if not, I wont buy any new windows tablet.
    03-25-2015 07:52 PM
  9. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Well, I did the dastardly deed today and installed the latest build on SP3. Holy Crap!! What a nightmare!

    They went to far in blending the Tablet and Desktop mode together. I couldn't really tell the difference between the two, and got REALLY frustrated, REALLY fast.

    I will admit that when Windows 8.x came out, I didn't like it at all (I was a big hater of everything about it). But after a few hours of messing around and then the eureka moment happened when I realized that you HAVE TO customize the start screen layout to your personal needs. Then everything fell into place and all the things that people complained about didn't matter. MS really did a good job of the interface.

    Now with everyone complaining about how bad Win8.x was, Microsoft decided to "have the tail wag the dog" and have the masses dictate the design. I hate to say it, this Win10 is going pear shaped, fast.

    The sad part is everyone I've worked with that had the hate thing going on with Win8.x, once I sat down with them for 5-10 minutes explaining and showing things, they ALL said "Wow! This IS really cool and easy to use." Even corporate users I've walked through have said the same thing, and they would prefer to drop Win7 and move up to Win8.x but they say the higher-ups won't go for it and want to wait for Win10.

    My only hope is that I'm in the minority on this new version. Because if it doesn't go well, Microsoft is going to be in a world of hurt.

    P.S.
    I did go back to Win8.1. Win10 is just to buggy and convoluted right now. Just a heads up, DON'T go to the "make text and other items larger or smaller" in the display settings on the SP3 if you have a picture password. After logging out, it took me over 10 minutes of poking at the screen, rotating, and other weird things just to log back in.
    03-26-2015 09:46 PM
  10. supadryz's Avatar
    Ok quick question I'm looking to install the Windows 10 preview to my Surface pro 2. What is the best way to do this with out having issues?
    04-15-2015 06:47 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    There is a well-documented issue with WLAN drivers not being available for some Intel-based devices. I'm one of those so I'll just wait until the release. I don't know what the deal with the taskbar is. If you don't want it hogging up that 3/8" of space on the screen, set it to auto-hide.
    04-16-2015 11:04 AM
  12. r3dtest's Avatar
    If Windows 10 is available for the 1st Gen Surface then yes, I will.
    I have been running technical preview for several months on 1st gen surface pro, but haven't tried to even look for it yet on my surface RT/ARM
    04-18-2015 08:35 AM
  13. neo158's Avatar
    I have been running technical preview for several months on 1st gen surface pro, but haven't tried to even look for it yet on my surface RT/ARM
    The bits for Surface RT aren't available yet, they will be after Windows 10 launches.
    04-18-2015 09:17 AM
  14. kanodhome's Avatar
    Yes too, my ASUS Note 8 already working on Win10 TP.
    04-21-2015 01:58 PM
  15. swanlee's Avatar
    Ugg 10061 is another UI disaster on Tablets. MS is literally pretending Win 8 never came out and is instead trying to tweak the Win 7 UI for touch experience.
    04-23-2015 06:27 AM
  16. Guzzler3's Avatar
    I created a separate partition for W10 and installed it today. Swanlee, you think 10061 is bad... it's a way better than previous version for interface. At least we could choose to loose the task bar in tablet mode this time.

    Took me forever to figure out how to split screen apps in tablet mode, but I finally got it. Swipe down from top to get the top status bar, then press hold, move to one side. Not as easy as W8, but finally doable.

    Still need some more tweaks in the background, it was constantly pushing the CPU and memory enough to always have the fan running on my SP3.
    04-24-2015 01:10 AM
  17. sashlon's Avatar
    Well obviously I'll HAVE to update my SP3 to 10 in order to get any cool future features.

    I just recently reverted back to 8.1 from 10. Its just too buggy (yes I know its a preview) and the touch UI is awful. They've really ruined it for people like me who have tablets.

    There's cool stuff like Cortana and Spartan. I really like the Notification Centre and the MKV/FLAC support. So yeah, features wise it good.

    But from a UI perspective, its a trainwreck.

    I'm going delay updating as long as I can do without all the new features.
    04-24-2015 05:25 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    Ugg 10061 is another UI disaster on Tablets. MS is literally pretending Win 8 never came out and is instead trying to tweak the Win 7 UI for touch experience.


    Win 7 on a tablet sums it up nicely, didn't totally get it until I saw this. The same poor tablet experience in Windows 7 is in 10 as exemplified by this pic, the taskbar looks totally out of place. Doesn't matter if you can hide it, the fact is they intend it to be used and that's the same UX from back when 7 launched in 2009 and shows a complete lack of progress in their thinking. And look at the space wasted by having the app list, I can see this taking on the ipad really well..... /s





    Compared to:

    James Doan and forked like this.
    04-24-2015 07:14 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Thought I'd make an observation regarding taskbars and the reverting to Windows 7. Unless you're going to completely disavow the desktop, Windows is not meant for any tablet less than 10.1" unless you have a stylus. The scaling is a pig that doesn't fly too straight (Tony Montana is a personal favorite of mine). I've read more than a few complaints about tablet mode being a mess and I can see what they mean, but the only way to make tablets function properly would be an all-touch interface and that defeats the purpose of unification. My only suggestion would be to stay on 8.1 and wait until W10 tablets ship to see how they fare. It's not much help but it beats being angry and raising your blood pressure.
    04-24-2015 02:58 PM
  20. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I have no hope absolutely for touch and Windows 10. I am NOT upgrading any touch devices including my phone to 10. I don't understand why not just have WP10 OS on phone and tablets?
    04-25-2015 03:15 PM
  21. wtkidd1972's Avatar
    I used Windows Update to install the TP on my Lenovo Miix 2 8 tablet. Being in the fast lane, I've recieved two major updates since the original version of Windows 10 that I installed. The first two versions were not perfect by any means, but I did not expect them to be; the were, however, usable. I also want to point out that with all these updates I have preferred to use the desktop mode versus the tablet mode. I prefer the way Windows 10 treats the program and application windows with the tablet mode disabled.

    With the latest 10061 update I have encountered a couple of show stopping issues.
    1) The start menu, the action center, Cortana, nearly every element of the UI is now not working. Only the desktop icons and menu selections launch the intended applications. I have reviewed the Application log in the Event Viewer and they all seem to be blocked by parental controls. I know, that doesn't make any sense. Here is an example of what the error looks like:
    "Activation of app Microsoft.Windows.CloudExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy!App failed with error: The operation was blocked by parental controls. See the Microsoft-Windows-TWinUI/Operational log for additional information."
    2) The second issue is battery related. There is power drawn being from the battery even when the device is powered off. Even with a full charge, if I shutdown the tablet, then pick it up the next day to try to use it, the battery is completely drained. Not sure about this one either, doesn't make sense.

    So I would think long and hard about updating your tablet. Me, I'm going to have to leave mine on AC power and pray that Automatic Updates will eventually install an update that corrects my issue, unless i can find a solution soon. Good luck if you decide to update. :)
    Last edited by wtkidd1972; 04-27-2015 at 02:43 PM.
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    04-27-2015 02:09 PM
  22. swanlee's Avatar
    Thought I'd make an observation regarding taskbars and the reverting to Windows 7. Unless you're going to completely disavow the desktop, Windows is not meant for any tablet less than 10.1" unless you have a stylus. The scaling is a pig that doesn't fly too straight (Tony Montana is a personal favorite of mine). I've read more than a few complaints about tablet mode being a mess and I can see what they mean, but the only way to make tablets function properly would be an all-touch interface and that defeats the purpose of unification. My only suggestion would be to stay on 8.1 and wait until W10 tablets ship to see how they fare. It's not much help but it beats being angry and raising your blood pressure.

    MS could quite easily make Win 10 function perfectly fine on tablets by just making the Tablet mode be more like win 8.1 and let Desktop mode be more like Win 10. Win 8.1 was really good for tablets so it is silly for MS to throw that all away especially now their are two different modes involved where MS can better design each mode to work best on each device type.

    Right now keeping quiet about it certainly won't change anything.
    920Walker likes this.
    04-28-2015 11:38 AM
  23. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Well, from what I've been able to glean from asking TP testers on these forums, MS is starting to revert to the Win8 approach with many of the features in Win10 'tablet' mode. See my discussion here:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...k-how-far.html
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    04-28-2015 12:12 PM
  24. Les Myers's Avatar
    I updated my tablet the other day. It's the UnBranded tablet form Best Buy. I put the windows 10 preview on it and it seemed to be ok. Then it crashed. Now when I power it on I come to the screen that I should be able to slide up and then log in. No, I cannot. It will not slide or move. My onscreen keyboard also will not pop up. I know the touch fucntion still works as I have tried to do a system restore and have to touch the options that are available on the screen but most require a password which I do have but can't type in due to a lack of keyboard. I have thought about buying a micro usb keyboard to see if this will help. Any other suggestions?
    04-28-2015 01:37 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I updated my tablet the other day. It's the UnBranded tablet form Best Buy. I put the windows 10 preview on it and it seemed to be ok. Then it crashed. Now when I power it on I come to the screen that I should be able to slide up and then log in. No, I cannot. It will not slide or move. My onscreen keyboard also will not pop up. I know the touch fucntion still works as I have tried to do a system restore and have to touch the options that are available on the screen but most require a password which I do have but can't type in due to a lack of keyboard. I have thought about buying a micro usb keyboard to see if this will help. Any other suggestions?
    Boot in Safe Mode is usually my first post-apocalyptic step.

    Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk
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    04-28-2015 05:12 PM
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