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  1. Roy Khoh's Avatar
    Cumbersome in getting 2 apps side by side, with no way of getting 3 side by side (if someone can show me an easy way of getting 2 side by side, please show!!)
    I think cumbersome just doesn't quite describe this aspect.
    In Desktop mode, it's easy to snap apps to the side.
    In Tablet mode it's difficult, annoying, almost there and snaps back to full screen.

    I've tried to figure out if there's a specific location my finger should be, length of time, flicking action.
    Best attempts seem to be when I flick all the way to the top-right or top-left corners rather than middle left/right.

    What I've found though, is it seems to be application specific. Desktop applications snap as expected (Tested with Word 2013 and Control Panel). "Money" snaps okay until I open about 6 apps. Edge is probably the main app I'd like to snap. (Desktop) Internet Explorer snaps fine, too.

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    Last edited by Roy Khoh; 08-03-2015 at 05:35 AM.
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    08-03-2015 04:38 AM
  2. coolj40041's Avatar
    Some issues I have with W10:

    1. Upgrading from Win8.1 my new account no longer had admin rights. I looked on the internet and found out you have to log in as a local user, which automatically gives you admin rights, then log back into your MS account and that carries your admin rights with you. Took a lot of time to figure that out.

    2. You cannot move your OneDrive files to your SD card. You could in Win8.1. After upgrading, I only had about 11GB left on a 64GB drive on my tablet. But with my OneDrive files synced offline, I only have 3GB. Again I looked online, but the only tip I found was that in order to change file location, you have to unlink and relink OneDrive so that you go through the OneDrive setup screens again...but still, cannot use SD Card as a OneDrive location...even with admin rights.

    3. You have to have admin rights to use the disk cleaner, if you want to delete your windows.old folder (my solution to getting more HD space. And yes, I made an image of my Win8.1 setup before I upgraded, just in case). So again, I had to take a bunch of time to figure out how to resolve my #1 problem.

    4. There is an option in the Settings-System-Storage menu to download apps to another drive other than c: ...but it's greyed out. uhm...why? Also, when there are other options to save new stuff like docs, pictures, music, and videos to the SD card...that works fine...except it seems to default back to c: by itself for some reason.

    5. Mail app doesn't seem to be working for any of my accounts. No email is downloading, even though I'm signed into my accounts. I still have to look on the internet to see if I can figure out why...but there is only so much time I have to devote to this in the last 3 days I've had Win10 installed.

    6. So many buttons!! For a tablet?! The main concept for using a tablet was to swipe this, swipe that, with minimal amount of buttons. I just looked at my friends Ipad (because something was wrong with it and they needed my help), and it looked simplistic by nature. I'm sorry but simple always wins out with the masses. for example Look at common appliances in your house. Take a washer and dryer...most have simple buttons and dials. Sure there are people who know how to take it apart and figure out how to fix it and how each component works, but not the masses. Simple buttons and dials wins out, and they will come and buy it. Win8.1 was rather simple looking compared to Win10. Sure IPad is even more simple looking, but my wife (who is no computer expert) was able to learn Win8.1 after some simple tutelage for me, and configuring her 8.1 tablet to work better for her (Move her OneDrive folder to the SD card, as an example). I'm looking at Win10 and thinking to myself "How am I going to teach her this?" Fortunately, MS has a year to clean it up before I may upgrade her tablet with the free upgrade. But if MS doesn't clean it up better, maybe I prefer leaving her at win8.1. Remember folks, your tablet will probably be replaced before Win8.1 support is dropped.

    In conclusion, I think Win10 looks promising. The above items could be fixed, conceivably, within the free year upgrade. But, typical of all Windows releases, not quite ready for primetime, but good enough if you are computer savy and can spare the hardware to install this on and play with a not-quite-there-yet OS.
    Last edited by coolj40041; 08-03-2015 at 07:38 AM.
    08-03-2015 07:24 AM
  3. -dunn's Avatar
    Upgrade went fine without any issue on my Samsung Ativ 3

    Overall I like it, however 2 things of note:

    1) Battery life is noticeably worse with Windows 10. Not sure if it's out of the box configuration with running tiles, but with Windows 8.1 I could leave my tablet idle for 2-3 days on a single charge. With Windows 10 I've noticed battery only lasts a day.



    2) Edge browser still feels buggy and isn't a polished product.



    Other than that, pleased with the upgrade
    08-03-2015 08:24 PM
  4. Roy Khoh's Avatar
    1) Battery life is noticeably worse with Windows 10. Not sure if it's out of the box configuration with running tiles, but with Windows 8.1 I could leave my tablet idle for 2-3 days on a single charge. With Windows 10 I've noticed battery only lasts a day.
    Do you have the Skype (Desktop) application running?
    I think mine wasn't lasting that long because of that, so I removed it. Skype on my Lumia 930 is good enough.
    08-04-2015 06:23 AM
  5. zerospace-net's Avatar
    I prefer the tablet experience on 8.1 so far. Things I dislike in windows 10 on a small form factor tablet (I have it on my Stream 7):

    1) No back/forward swiping in Edge. I miss metro IE because of this.

    2) Too much desktop-style UI on a tiny tablet screen makes usability horrific, IMHO. I have tiny fingers and yet sometimes I still can't accurately function in File Explorer to access files on OneDrive (and stupidly, I can only access the files I chose to sync thanks to the missing placeholders. ARGH. I used to use this feature to scroll through my photos directly uploaded to OneDrive from my phone without actually having to copy them so that I could share them with friends or family quickly and easily. ) I miss the metro OneDrive app terribly. I feel like MS compromised with the Win8.1 haters a little too much here. I don't use a mouse and keyboard with my HP Stream 7 and yet some actions almost feel like they are required, whereas I was perfectly fine on 8.1 thanks to metro apps with big buttons.

    3) Fast app switching. Ok, so this isn't just on tablets, but the flicking from the left edge to quickly swap between apps is something I miss a lot already. This was a feature I rarely used in desktop mode, but when I had my Surface Pro 3 as a tablet or my Stream 7 in hand, I used it a lot.

    4) Touchscreen gestures in general. So many of them are gone! I really really like the new action center, but I feel like it replaced too many of the intuitive gestures that Win8.1 had that were SO helpful on a touchscreen. I suppose I should be thankful that they kept the app closing swipe down from the top gesture. That might have been the nail in the coffin for me that may have kept me on 8.1 indefinitely.

    As it stands, I'm waiting on upgrading my Surface Pro 3 to Win10. IMHO, MS still has some work to do before I commit to their new OS.
    08-05-2015 09:40 AM
  6. LA6507a's Avatar
    I'm liking Tablet mode on my SP3 but when watching a full-screen YouTube video or drawing in OneNote (leaning on the screen in onenote I always hit that start button), that taskbar is extremely annoying. But other than that it's good.
    If you go into the Pen settings, there is a toggle switch to turn off the Windows button but I think it globally switches it off as opposed to autodetecting when you are holding the stylus and intelligently managing that toggle.
    08-06-2015 10:11 AM
  7. LA6507a's Avatar
    I miss the WIndows 8.1 touch gestureson the OS level and in both browsers (legacy IE & Edge), I find the buttons incredibly small and I don't like this implementation of OneDrive. I went crazy trying to figure out where all of my folders were even though I had sync'd...Anyway, it works pretty great as a desktop OS but the Tablet experience has got to be improved for touch users.
    08-06-2015 10:14 AM
  8. mikepalma's Avatar
    It's working beautifully on Stream 7.
    08-06-2015 10:18 AM
  9. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Working great on my linx 10. A few wee issues but nothing major.
    08-06-2015 11:21 AM
  10. TLRtheory's Avatar
    Wonderful on my Surface. If there were anything I'd change, it'd be how apps are closed when in the tablet mode's task selector... and I'm gonna need those swipe gestures from Windows 8's modern IE integrated into Edge at some point and time.

    There's things I'm not used to being where they are, but I've already found out enough to feel no regret about wiping the backup.
    Last edited by TLRtheory; 08-09-2015 at 08:19 AM.
    08-06-2015 02:08 PM
  11. Cruncher04's Avatar
    I rolled back on my SP3. The tablet experience is a bad joke compared to Windows 8.1
    Just a few points:
    1) tablet mode is cluttered with desktop UI elements. With 8.1 i can do everything with swipes from left and right and have most of the stuff within reach of my thumbs with the perfect size, position and hitbox. If i want to go desktop, i would press the desktop tile...which is missing in Windows 10
    2) no charms bar this means:
    2.1) no quick peak time, connectivity and battery status
    2.2) no share option
    2.3) no print option
    2.4) no play-to option
    2.5) no miracast option ( i know there is an equivalent in info-center)
    2.6) no apps specific settings...instead now the app seems to be responsible for settings...for lots of modern UI apps i cannot access setting anymore. As consequence there is no common place for app settings anymore.
    3) task view shows all running apps not just modern UI apps. I do not want to see desktop apps in tablet/modern UI mode.
    4) task view and managing screen split with left thumb swipe seems to be gone as well. Instead i have the task view filling up the whole screen, not reachable with the thumb. Certainly good for mouse control but such UI design paradigm belong to the desktop.

    Overall the elegance of how Windows 8.1 let the (tablet) user control the system is completely gone. The thumb gestures and charms concept, which gave Windows 8.1 an edge over the competition from Android and iOS is completely scrapped. Instead i am seeing desktop UI elements filling up my screen.
    In fact what they call tablet mode today, is just the desktop with all windows being set to full-screen and tiles replacing the desktop icons. They completely scrapped all the clever design paradigms and guidelines for tablet users, which they introduced with Windows 8.

    I cannot express my disappointment with Windows 10 on tablets enough. That is not one step backwards but 5 steps.
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    08-07-2015 05:24 PM
  12. Stefan Holder's Avatar
    I gotta say that Windows 10 is disappointing on small tablets. Tablets that are 8"/7" are not ideal for this OS. I mean, it'll install and run, yes. But Windows 10 is more encompassing to desktop, keyboard and mouse use. Touch optimizations to the UI has taken a step back for usability on tablets. Tablet mode is a joke really. Its there to get the job done yes, but tablet mode is an afterthought. I've had this OS on two HP Stream 7 tablets and the more i use the tablets the more I realize just how inferior the tablet mode is compared to Win8.1. I'm seriously thinking of rolling back to 8.1 on these tablets. I think Microsoft was right to say that going forward, small tablets will run Windows Mobile 10 instead of full x86 Windows 10.
    08-08-2015 08:20 PM
  13. Ivan05il's Avatar
    W8 was very ambitious as for touch. We got gestures, new controls optimised for touch. It felt very natural on a touch device, even that despised charm bar. That was all chucked in a bin and we get just buttons to tap on. It's very pedestrian now, mouse users had won.
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    08-09-2015 04:06 AM
  14. tedwud's Avatar
    Unfortunately I disagree. I have it on my desktop and it is great but on a tablet this is so much worse than 8.1. 8.1 has a fantastic ui and is totally misunderstood. Windows 10 caters for the desktop which was seriously needed but I highly recommend that if you have a tablet you should stick with 8.1 due to the fact it is so much more intuitive. Your tiles and app selection is far simpler. Plus they have destroyed the way onedrive works which is ridiculous considering most tablet come with a year 365 and 1tb of storage.
    I have upgraded twice to get into w10 and both times rolled back to 8.1 and now convincing myself it is to stay with 8.1 which is hard considering it is a free upgrade.
    Be warned try it by all means but you will want to roll back pretty soon after you install on your tablet without a doubt. On a desktop it is absolutely brilliant but NOT on a tablet that you will want for speed and simplicity. Trust me you should see these as different devices which is a real shame as Microsoft is trying to create a complete ecosystem. Take a look at ios, its the same no matter. However ios is not a completely capable system regarding files managers etc.
    This is a real shame as I'm afraid the phone, laptop, tablet, desktop seamless ecosystem is unfortunately not quite there. The problem is people complained so much about w8 and the start button crap they have purely focussed back on desktop only and is a step backwards.
    Stay on w8.1 on tablets and just accept how good it is, this is similar to people who stayed on w7 when 8 came out. You will feel relief when you roll back to 8.1 from 10 on your tablet, trust me. Maybe I'm on my own with this, who knows.
    08-09-2015 04:25 PM
  15. JamesDax's Avatar
    Unfortunately I disagree. I have it on my desktop and it is great but on a tablet this is so much worse than 8.1. 8.1 has a fantastic ui and is totally misunderstood. Windows 10 caters for the desktop which was seriously needed but I highly recommend that if you have a tablet you should stick with 8.1 due to the fact it is so much more intuitive. Your tiles and app selection is far simpler. Plus they have destroyed the way onedrive works which is ridiculous considering most tablet come with a year 365 and 1tb of storage.
    I have upgraded twice to get into w10 and both times rolled back to 8.1 and now convincing myself it is to stay with 8.1 which is hard considering it is a free upgrade.
    Be warned try it by all means but you will want to roll back pretty soon after you install on your tablet without a doubt. On a desktop it is absolutely brilliant but NOT on a tablet that you will want for speed and simplicity. Trust me you should see these as different devices which is a real shame as Microsoft is trying to create a complete ecosystem. Take a look at ios, its the same no matter. However ios is not a completely capable system regarding files managers etc.
    This is a real shame as I'm afraid the phone, laptop, tablet, desktop seamless ecosystem is unfortunately not quite there. The problem is people complained so much about w8 and the start button crap they have purely focussed back on desktop only and is a step backwards.
    Stay on w8.1 on tablets and just accept how good it is, this is similar to people who stayed on w7 when 8 came out. You will feel relief when you roll back to 8.1 from 10 on your tablet, trust me. Maybe I'm on my own with this, who knows.
    Well iI disagree with you. I like tablet mode on windows 10 just fine. To each his own.
    08-09-2015 07:16 PM
  16. Roy Khoh's Avatar
    I like tablet mode on windows 10 just fine. To each his own.
    I'm with James. I like Windows 10 on a tablet.
    Much like when Windows 8 came out, there was a small learning curve with gestures and all. Now it's just a matter of adjusting a few things. Some things (gestures) will come back.

    The only item I can add regarding the Windows 10 experience, and someone else mentioned it before, is that a clean install is a much better experience vs. an upgrade.

    I couldn't figure out how to do a clean install on my DV8Pro or even a Reset, so I ended up running the upgrade from the previously created USB again. This time, I chose not to keep any existing applications, just my personal files.

    Now, apps snap properly every time (I posted before it worked maybe 5% of the time).
    The smoothness of swiping apps around appear smoother. There was a slight, hardly noticeable jitter before. Windows Central forums is still a big site for Edge to handle, so no change there, but loading typical sites appear to render quicker now.

    More importantly, I can install and use Word and Excel Mobile with Windows 10.
    Not sure if 8.1 users can use them.
    08-09-2015 07:46 PM
  17. Kadcidxa's Avatar
    This article sums it all up. Windows 10 on the Surface 3: Tablet mode is a total failure

    Total fail.

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    08-09-2015 07:54 PM
  18. JamesDax's Avatar
    This article sums it all up. Windows 10 on the Surface 3: Tablet mode is a total failure

    Total fail.

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    Just another opinion. I say it's a total win.
    08-09-2015 08:46 PM
  19. robjared05's Avatar
    This article sums it all up. Windows 10 on the Surface 3: Tablet mode is a total failure

    Total fail.

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    I have to agree. I find W10 enjoyable to use on a PC as installed on a Macbook Pro and a Dell 1820. On a tablet (Lenovo 8") W10 is totally frustrating. The start screen is a total waste of screen real estate unlike the phone which is edge to edge tiles. And speaking of Edge although it looks nice it is much easier on a tablet navigating IE.
    Needless to say I rolled back to 8.1 and yes I did breathe a sigh of relief when it booted up to 8.1.
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    08-09-2015 10:34 PM
  20. Ivan05il's Avatar
    I will survive the way W10 handles touch, I use it on Surface 3 Pro and Dell Venue 8 Pro atm. But what I really don't understand is why OneDrive is working now the way it is working. Should I now put every file into its own folder to be able to choose what I want offline as I could before? I thought the whole point of cloud storage was that I can have lots of files online and still access them all even if my local storage is limited. What they did to OneDrive is the worst "improvement" ever.
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    08-10-2015 02:35 AM
  21. Panathas's Avatar
    I love w10 on my surface. Both, tablet and desktop mode.
    08-10-2015 02:41 AM
  22. Remy_S's Avatar
    I installed it on my Surface Pro a week ago, but I find W10 to be a big dissappointment. Touch was so much better and more natural on W8.1, instead of elegant swipes which were easy and natural to perform on tablets, we now have buttons that are best operated while using a mouse. I can understand adapting desktop mode to be more mouse and keyboard orientated. But the whole point of having a desktop mode and tablet mode is to allow for two different experiences.
    Win 8.1 may have received a lot of flak, but I have never heard anyone critisize it's touch friendlyness, that was usually the one aspect that got praised.

    Things I dislike and want to have changed:
    1. Any visible buttons on startscreen should be 50% bigger
    2. Why the f*#ck isn't it possible to autohide the taskbar on the startscreen in tabletmode??!! It has worked on the desktop since Win 95. Seriously, is this a bug, or something they did on purpose?
    3. I would prefer horizontal tile scrolling since it utilizes screenspace better, but I can live with the vertical if need be.
    4. All apps list needs to be larger (approx 50% larger) to make easier to operate with fingers.

    Things I like:
    The new screen for active apps, when swiping from the left (although hitting the x's to close them is somewhat to difficult).
    Action center, although I would have prefered to have search and power off to be moved here. Perhaps that poses a problem for Cortana use, but I wouldn't know since Cortana isn't available for me.
    08-10-2015 02:12 PM
  23. Kirk Davis1's Avatar
    I now have Win 10 on three computers and my ASUS T100T tablet. Overall, performance on the ASUS is better than on the
    computers, one being a quad-core only three years old. Everything is smooth, and speed is better than with Win 8.1. Only problem is that I can't eliminate the need to enter the password when coming out of sleep; set the two places within the OS and also deselected the option in netplwiz. Seems like this is a general problem with tablets; MS wants to force us to be secure!! The installation was a cliff-hanger as I only have a 32GB drive with a 32 GB SD card. Zero problems. I also think Edge needs lots of work. it seems a little slow, and you wait too long for a large page loads before being able to proceed. This, however is similar to the waits with Chrome. I was always a fan of the Metrto side of Win 8.1, and did a lot of work there. The Tablet mode gives me the same thing, but it seems to be somewhat faster than with Win 8.1.
    08-10-2015 04:52 PM
  24. Chris Turek's Avatar
    The only issue with windows 10 for tablet is that my HP Stream 7 is extremely slow. It got a lot better with the last update (the one that came a week after the public release of windows 10) and is quite a bit more usable but it's still too slow to really comfortably use my tablet anymore. Especially using Spotity, I find that multitasking and switching apps is insanely glitchy and takes so much time to switch. I hope patches continue and the performance increases because it's nowhere near how buttery smooth the performance of windows 8.1 was on it.
    08-10-2015 08:25 PM
  25. Dave47's Avatar
    After a few days on my Stream 8, I'm OK with 10 - mostly. What is disturbing is the battery drain. Way worse than 8.1. Seems like it idles at 30% CPU with system and system interrupts taking up most of the 30%. Win 8.1 idled close to 0%. When this gets fixed I'll be a happy(er) camper.
    Last edited by Dave47; 08-12-2015 at 09:34 AM.
    08-11-2015 05:54 PM
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