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  1. to_be_announced's Avatar
    but that the other two are toys with keyboards for people who don't want to switch devices just because it becomes time to write a long email or something that an onscreen keyboard generally sucks at.
    I'm not sure about the Android device, but I know the iPad Pro is being marketed as a productivity device rather than just a toy with a keyboard. Heck, they even had Microsoft on stage at their event unveiling the thing to talk about productivity. This right here is the point I'm going for. Again, not sure how the Android device will be marketed; the iPad Pro is being marketed as a productivity device. And you yourself admitted that there is no equal in these hybrid devices when it comes to productivity. If these devices aren't being pushed and/or marketed as such, what's the point of having the keyboard? I could see your argument of using it for emails, etc. rather than the on screen keyboard, but why spend the money on these devices if that's all you want it for?
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    10-01-2015 04:48 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    If I had all three, they would each have a different purpose:
    Surface for heavy productivity (anything requiring x86 apps)
    Pixel for media and some light productivity
    iPad for backup if either die on me. It also functions as a paperweight.
    lol, honestly I'd probably do the same thing in that situation. There are a few iPad apps that I really like but I'm a diehard Android user and the Pixel would definitely be a toy/forums posting thing/I might use it at school thing. The Surface has the potential to replace a PC (it'd be difficult, I have Alienware with an i7 4whatever, 16GB RAM, a NVIDIA GTX 970, 4 monitors and with a bunch of cool accessories that just don't fit on a Surface) - but it is definitely going to have the best experience running Excel and it has the capability of playing some of my PC games.
    10-01-2015 04:50 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm not sure about the Android device, but I know the iPad Pro is being marketed as a productivity device rather than just a toy with a keyboard. Heck, they even had Microsoft on stage at their event unveiling the thing to talk about productivity. This right here is the point I'm going for. Again, not sure how the Android device will be marketed; the iPad Pro is being marketed as a productivity device. And you yourself admitted that there is no equal in these hybrid devices when it comes to productivity. If these devices aren't being pushed and/or marketed as such, what's the point of having the keyboard? I could see your argument of using it for emails, etc. rather than the on screen keyboard, but why spend the money on these devices if that's all you want it for?
    The biggest selling point for me on the Pixel is the X1 processor. Second is the design language and third is the screen. The keyboard for someone like me is going to be very important, I spend hours a day on online forums and handling email. For other people, it may not be as useful or could be useless. In the realm of productivity, the iPad Pro can't touch a macbook pro, in my opinion. If that is the goal, I think Apple is making a mistake. I interpreted their move as one that allows them to give an iPad experience to people who want an iPad toy AND the ability to be a little more productive with it. Otherwise, if the idea is just to be productive, why wouldn't you buy a laptop?
    10-01-2015 04:55 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    Again, not sure how the Android device will be marketed;
    Doesn't really matter how Google intends to market it - Google is approximately the worst marketing company in tech. They've put out some fantastic devices and straight up forgot to tell anyone and they've put out some terrible devices and marketed them like they're the gift of the gods to tech nerds. In the pure productivity space, I believe the Chromebook will remain better than Android for some time.
    10-01-2015 04:57 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    As an example:

    Google Tablet with Keyboard as interpreted by HTC last year in the Nexus 9:

    n9-keyboardlow-1600.jpg

    Google Tablet with Keyboard as interpreted by Google this year in the Pixel C:

    pixel_c.jpg

    So the concept isn't new to Android, the first tablet I ever bought was in the Asus Transformer line which was a tablet with a keyboard in 2011 before I switched to the Nexus 7. The new part is making it a better tablet with a much better keyboard that has a more unique way of connecting, etc.
    10-01-2015 05:08 PM
  6. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    lol, honestly I'd probably do the same thing in that situation. There are a few iPad apps that I really like but I'm a diehard Android user and the Pixel would definitely be a toy/forums posting thing/I might use it at school thing. The Surface has the potential to replace a PC (it'd be difficult, I have Alienware with an i7 4whatever, 16GB RAM, a NVIDIA GTX 970, 4 monitors and with a bunch of cool accessories that just don't fit on a Surface) - but it is definitely going to have the best experience running Excel and it has the capability of playing some of my PC games.
    The Surface can't replace that yet - Microsoft would have to come up with some more innovations to make something like that work good in tablet form. Holding 4 tablets won't do the trick.
    10-01-2015 07:40 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    As part of my job I work with many clients. We sell mostly PCs, but some Windows tablets as well. From what I've seen, most of our tablet customers do no more than could easily be done with an iPad or Android tablet. We have in some cases actually recommended them to go somewhere else and buy an iPad or Android tablet, based on how they describe what they intend to do with it. For example, if a grandmother wants to communicate with her iPhone-carrying grandchildren, shouldn't she have an iPad? If she wishes to use if for Facebook, wouldn't Android or iPad be a better choice?

    How many Surface users take advantage of their capabilities? I would bet that for the vast majority of Windows tablet customers, they could just as easily do it with an iPad or Android tablet. This is based on my observations.

    To sum it up, the Surface does indeed have the most potential for productivity, but few of its customers that I've seen use it. I believe that for the most part, productivity on a tablet is overrated. That could change down the road, but for now, that's the way I see it.
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    10-01-2015 08:34 PM
  8. Muessig's Avatar
    Ladies and gentlemen, please keep discussion productive. This thread is about the devices and nothing to do with the different arenas that comprise the Mobile Nations. Let's keep it on topic! Personal attacks, insults, taking threads off topic and other disruptive posting behaviors are not acceptable. If you do not like a post, please behave like an adult and move on, or if you feel it violates the forum rules, please report it. At no point should members be calling each other out in posts. Thanks.
    10-02-2015 01:57 AM
  9. Blackberry-Prince's Avatar
    Your choices for holiday shopping - Microsoft's Surface 4/Pro 4, Apple's iPad Pro, or Google's Pixel C.

    A quick run through each devices' minimum specs (compared to the current Surfaces for now)

    Surface 3/Pro 3
    Windows 10/10 Pro
    10.8" 1920x1280/12" 2160x1440
    64GB, Intel Atom x7, 2GB RAM/64GB, Intel i3, 4GB RAM
    $499/$799
    Surface Pen $49.99, Surface 3 Keyboard $129.99/Surface Pen included, Surface Pro 3 Keyboard $129.99
    Attachment 113253

    iPad Pro

    iOS 9
    12.9" 2732x2048
    32GB, A9X
    $799
    Pencil $99, Smart Keyboard $169
    Attachment 113255

    Pixel C

    Android 6.0
    10.2" 2560x1800
    32GB, Nvidia Tegra X1, 3GB RAM
    $499
    Keyboard $149
    Attachment 113259

    PICK YOUR POISON
    IPad Pro
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    10-02-2015 04:10 AM
  10. Blackberry-Prince's Avatar
    Surface of course. The others are mere toys that cannot load full Office and browse network drives will still watching Netflix or playing Minecraft.
    The main ones which are mostly useful are there. Powerpoint, Word and Excel. I dont find OneNote that useful, atleast to me.
    10-02-2015 04:13 AM
  11. worldspy99's Avatar
    Wow, things heated up in here. So let's get some humor added in for good measure.
    Brand Loyalty Is for Suckers
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    10-02-2015 11:26 AM
  12. JohnnyCanuck's Avatar
    Actually, I would add a fourth consideration: Lenovo Miix 700. Will be replacing my Surface Pro 3, either with the Pro 4 or the Miix 700. I'll probably know after October 6.
    10-02-2015 11:49 AM
  13. RayWP7's Avatar
    I have made that choice. I've given up Android tablet and iPads alike. These new ones offer nothing over the older ones that would compel me to reconsider that choice. So, I now have both a Surface 3 and a Surface Pro 3. Many companies are programming to "mobile" friendly formatted web sites in addition to any offering they may offer on the App side of things. This means that if there is an app that is presently specific to iPad or Android, it's a non issue because the Surfaces are full on PCs and can access full feature or mobile optimized versions of the actual websites. If you primarily use Apps, however, and those platforms hold exclusives presently, then I think your decision is made for you. If you are a technical professional and work remote, Surface Pro 3 are unbeatable in terms of mobility. I also quite love the W10 implementation of Remote Desktop client.
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    10-02-2015 01:40 PM
  14. worldspy99's Avatar
    I am platform agnostic. I use what I like.
    For phones I prefer WP (Lumia 640) is my main line and Nexus 5 on my second line.
    For tablet I use Nexus 7 for consumption - mostly reading and occasional streaming. I have an iPad 2 and am actively looking for an iPad 3 Mini LTE for the other members of the family who like using iOS devices. I don't use the iPad at all.
    I have Win7 on my main work computer and Win10 on my personal laptop. The home computer is Win7 as well and is likely to be replaced with a Surface or some sort based on how it gets used.

    In a nutshell I use devices from all three OSes because of the various needs of various people in the household.
    To each their own.
    TL;DR
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    10-02-2015 01:57 PM
  15. Geodude074's Avatar
    The only true productivity device is the Surface. But do you really want to use a Surface for both productivity and consumption? The Windows Store app selection is appalling, it doesn't even have Angry Birds, and Windows 8/10 isn't a great tablet OS. Sure it's good, but it's not GREAT, both Android and iOS are better than Windows in tablet form.

    If I were to choose I'd go with the Pixel C. I'm not expecting anything more than light Office work from it, for serious work I have my desktop. As a tablet the Pixel C kicks ***, which is what I'd be using it for 99% of the time.
    10-02-2015 02:09 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    The only true productivity device is the Surface. But do you really want to use a Surface for both productivity and consumption? The Windows Store app selection is appalling, it doesn't even have Angry Birds, and Windows 8/10 isn't a great tablet OS. Sure it's good, but it's not GREAT, both Android and iOS are better than Windows in tablet form.

    If I were to choose I'd go with the Pixel C. I'm not expecting anything more than light Office work from it, for serious work I have my desktop. As a tablet the Pixel C kicks ***, which is what I'd be using it for 99% of the time.
    That's more or less what I've been saying. The Surface is definitely a better laptop/productivity device... the iPad (IMO) and Pixel (definitely) have keyboard attachments in case you want to be slightly productive - but the point of the device is not to be a laptop replacement. It is to enhance the tablet experience.

    Here's my priority list for OS based on device type:

    Desktop: Windows > Everything
    Laptop: Chromebook > Macbook > Windows > Everything
    Tablet: Android > iOS > Everything
    Phone: Android > iOS > Everything
    Wearable: Android > Everything
    Car: Android is the only thing that exists so far.

    Every user will have something for their preferences and use cases and it is probably highly dependant on how many devices they choose to interact with throughout the day.
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    10-02-2015 03:24 PM
  17. Wasim Wes Adetunji's Avatar
    For someone who says he would prefer Android, you seem to surprisingly value the mouse and WINDOW capabilities that Windows offers...
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    10-02-2015 07:52 PM
  18. ajj3085's Avatar
    Everyone likes different things and I definitely want it to stay that way. I definitely get the perspective that Surface fans are looking for a productivity devices - yeah the iPad Pro and the Pixel C are definitely not that. They are play things with a little bit of productivity spiced in there, so it's a totally different question for me. As a plaything the Surface rather sucks, because it is so productivity oriented. But as productivity devices, the other two rather suck. So depending on what you're planning to DO with it, you get a pretty different answer on what is actually better for that task.
    Are you high? How can you claim with a straight face that the iPad PRO is not supposed to be aimed at productive uses? I'm pretty sure they even demoed office 2016 on it? Or do you think pro means more expensive consumer grade?

    And last I checked, Surface can stream video and music and has tons of games, so I'm not sure how it fails in that department. I use my SP2 for development and leisure all the time.
    10-02-2015 08:22 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Are you high? How can you claim with a straight face that the iPad PRO is not supposed to be aimed at productive uses? I'm pretty sure they even demoed office 2016 on it? Or do you think pro means more expensive consumer grade?

    And last I checked, Surface can stream video and music and has tons of games, so I'm not sure how it fails in that department. I use my SP2 for development and leisure all the time.
    Nope, not high. Are you capable of logos? If not using it, following it?

    I clearly said in my comments that the two tablets have productivity concepts as an add-on to their respective existing use. As in, you get a great TABLET that can double up in a pinch and reduce your need to go switch devices in order to handle a smart amount of business. Demoing office is pretty meaningless given that anyone with a browser can use excel, word, PowerPoint, sheets, docs, slides, etc. These things also have dedicated all's on iOS and Android anyways... I literally have all six on my work phone already. That doesn't mean I think my work phone is a laptop replacement. That functionality is to do quick things without having to run to another device. It's merely bridging the gap.

    The ability to DO stuff doesn't make for a great tablet. A great tablet experience is made by many things, most have to do with app experience. Windows is pretty terrible at the tablet experience and the other two are phenomenal at it. That's because they have completely different ways to be used on different tasks. That's not bad, and some people make more overlap than there is for most, but that is where we stand.

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    10-02-2015 08:43 PM
  20. Aquila's Avatar
    For someone who says he would prefer Android, you seem to surprisingly value the mouse and WINDOW capabilities that Windows offers...
    Not sure what mouse has to do with it, all three OS can use a mouse. I value windows as a desktop, get work done and play pc games platform. I can also play my pc games on my shield and shield tablet, but most are best on the system they were designed for. I dont have any issue with Windows. I dont enjoy windows on small screens (like laptops and tablets) and especially not on mobile (tablets and phones). The ecosystem has a ways to go to get in league and I hope they get there. Right now, for me, windows belongs on a full desktop.

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    10-02-2015 08:46 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The main difference I've observed is that Android is better on a tablet than Windows. I'd say the same is true of iOS also (better on a tablet than Windows). The reason I say that is because both Android and iOS are designed as mobile OSes, whereas Windows is designed as a desktop OS. It is easy to use Android and iOS on tablets using one's fingers and not using a keyboard. Windows tablets are a chore to type on without a keyboard. My Windows tablet is in a drawer, since I can't type on it without WordFlow, Swype, or SwiftKey. If I'm going to need to take along a keyboard to use a tablet, why bother? I might as well take my notebook PC with me.
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    10-02-2015 09:45 PM
  22. VHMP01's Avatar
    I'd say Surface unless I wanted any possible app to be available on it, then I would go iPad/Pixel. I really am concerned about MS product delivery and execution these days.
    Too much marketing around apps, I can always visit any web page for the App's service, get more functions, then set a live tile to that web if it is really necesary, done. When you have a full OS, who cares about none existan apps is just marketing blinded!
    10-02-2015 10:35 PM
  23. VHMP01's Avatar
    The main difference I've observed is that Android is better on a tablet than Windows. I'd say the same is true of iOS also (better on a tablet than Windows). The reason I say that is because both Android and iOS are designed as mobile OSes, whereas Windows is designed as a desktop OS. It is easy to use Android and iOS on tablets using one's fingers and not using a keyboard. Windows tablets are a chore to type on without a keyboard. My Windows tablet is in a drawer, since I can't type on it without WordFlow, Swype, or SwiftKey. If I'm going to need to take along a keyboard to use a tablet, why bother? I might as well take my notebook PC with me.
    I totally disagree... Android and iOS were design for smartphones, in fact 3.5" smartphones, then they were streched and pushed to the limits with Tablets. Windows has had experience in screen keyboards since XP, Tablet mode has a great keyboard for thumbs while holding steady. If your reason to go Android or iOS is the screen keyboard, we agree to disagree!
    10-02-2015 10:40 PM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    I totally disagree... Android and iOS were design for smartphones, in fact 3.5" smartphones, then they were streched and pushed to the limits with Tablets. Windows has had experience in screen keyboards since XP, Tablet mode has a great keyboard for thumbs while holding steady. If your reason to go Android or iOS is the screen keyboard, we agree to disagree!
    You're right, the original Android in 2008 was designed for small smartphones. However, starting with Android 4.0 in 2011 Android was designed to work on a entire range of device sizes and form factors with one OS. Prior to that Android 3.0 was designed to be a tablet operating system. I'm not really sure where we're all going with the keyboard stuff, but I do firmly believe that Windows has never made a good tablet experience, whereas (obviously in my opinion) Android has been leading in the tablet space for quite awhile and everyone knows about the iPad which is beloved by its users as well. There's nothing wrong with them all occupying separate spaces.
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    10-02-2015 10:50 PM
  25. VHMP01's Avatar
    As part of my job I work with many clients. We sell mostly PCs, but some Windows tablets as well. From what I've seen, most of our tablet customers do no more than could easily be done with an iPad or Android tablet. We have in some cases actually recommended them to go somewhere else and buy an iPad or Android tablet, based on how they describe what they intend to do with it. For example, if a grandmother wants to communicate with her iPhone-carrying grandchildren, shouldn't she have an iPad? If she wishes to use if for Facebook, wouldn't Android or iPad be a better choice?

    How many Surface users take advantage of their capabilities? I would bet that for the vast majority of Windows tablet customers, they could just as easily do it with an iPad or Android tablet. This is based on my observations.

    To sum it up, the Surface does indeed have the most potential for productivity, but few of its customers that I've seen use it. I believe that for the most part, productivity on a tablet is overrated. That could change down the road, but for now, that's the way I see it.
    Disagree completelly... I could see your point if, and only if, limmited tablets like iOS and Android were less expensive... But what you are saying, is that if someone needs a car to go to the supermarket and few visits to their grandchildren, they should get a limmited and less specs car, but still pay Premium for it. Really bad advice on my view!
    10-02-2015 10:52 PM
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