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  1. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Recap: Great on desktop, decent to ok on laptops, sucks horribly on mobile. That's my opinion, albeit backed up by facts of Microsoft's failure so far on mobile computing. My expressing hope that Microsoft will get better as it does not mean that they did a good job in actual history. I guess I'd just be a fan of comparing laptops to laptops and tablets to tablets. The Surface is most definitely not a tablet. Or at least not a good one, if it is. It is a pretty decent laptop so let it compete where it is strong - not where it gets annihilated.
    Actually I'd rather compare and compete the Surface where it gets annihilated so Microsoft get their arse in gear and improve on its weaknesses. There's no point focusing on the strengths. Cover up your weaknesses while simultaneously making your strengths stronger.
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    10-03-2015 05:15 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    Actually I'd rather compare and compete the Surface where it gets annihilated so Microsoft get their arse in gear and improve on its weaknesses. There's no point focusing on the strengths. Cover up your weaknesses while simultaneously making your strengths stronger.
    I can get on board with that strategy but I'm not sure MS wants to be in the casual space. Everything I see so far in windows 10 is seemingly moving further away from mobile. Taking a tablet and enhancing it makes sense. Taking a laptop and dumbing it down seems silly :)

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    10-03-2015 05:23 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    I'd also love for windows to integrate with all of my "stuff". Currently they want me to import it all and that is not viable ad it is clunky and loses the instant sync that other systems have across devices. As much as I want to be OS agnostic, so far only Google services work across everything but on windows it isn't at an OS level, it is via chrome for the most part. That's one thing that a tablet must excel at: being one of many devices with all content available on all devices at all times.

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    10-03-2015 05:35 PM
  4. JaySeeDoubleYou's Avatar
    Okay, this is assuming a lot, but assuming that I'm limited to picking ONLY ONE device, and it has to be one of these three, and I can't get another one later, then this is a VERY EASY question for me:

    The Surface, no doubt.

    The other two are tablets with a keyboard. ONLY the Surface is a TRUE 2-in-1, providing ALL the functionality of a laptop, -AND- ALL the functionality of a tablet, and switches between them with the snap of a keyboard! The other two are ONLY tablets, and as impressed as I am with the hardware on each, as well as being quite pleased with iOS and especially Android, this is still a "no-contest" situation for me. The Surface.

    Even the app gap doesn't dissuade me, because a) all signs point to it improving radically in not too much time, and b) even if it doesn't, most of those apps have win32 or web-based equivalents that I can use when in desktop mode and/or via Edge.

    However, my REAL answer, no longer playing along with the parameters of the thread is "I want an iPad, AND a Pixel, AND a Surface." And assuming I would get all three, then it only comes down to the matter of "firing order", which once again, is a very easy question for me.

    I have an early 2015 iPad Air 2 already WITH an aftermarket bluetooth keyboard cover - in fact, it's what I'm using to type this. So, the iPad pro would definitely come last. No question there. Next, while it's admitedly only a very pale shadow of a real Microsoft Surface, and indeed, was only ever intended to serve as a stopgap for me, I already have a Nextbook Flexx 11, which more or less approximates a Surface, and is serving me just fine as an intermediate tide-me-over. However, what I DON'T have is any meaningful solutions for an Android tablet. I have a 2011 HP Touchpad, which originally ran WebOS, but has been rooted, and hacked to run cyanogenmod12 (Android Lollipop.) It's technically usable, which does make it better than nothing, I suppose. But it's soooooooooo slow, and sooooooooo buggy, and often crashes, that it is not a solution at all for anything more than a rare super casual dabble with Android.

    So, without a doubt, the Pixel would be the one I'd get first chronologically, followed by the Surface, and again, the iPad Pro would bring up the rear. But once again, assuming I could ONLY have one - EVER, then it'd definitely be the Surface.

    Cheers!
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    10-03-2015 06:04 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    Okay, this is assuming a lot, but assuming that I'm limited to picking ONLY ONE device, and it has to be one of these three, and I can't get another one later, then this is a VERY EASY question for me:

    The Surface, no doubt.

    The other two are tablets with a keyboard. ONLY the Surface is a TRUE 2-in-1, providing ALL the functionality of a laptop, -AND- ALL the functionality of a tablet, and switches between them with the snap of a keyboard! The other two are ONLY tablets, and as impressed as I am with the hardware on each, as well as being quite pleased with iOS and especially Android, this is still a "no-contest" situation for me. The Surface.

    Even the app gap doesn't dissuade me, because a) all signs point to it improving radically in not too much time, and b) even if it doesn't, most of those apps have win32 or web-based equivalents that I can use when in desktop mode and/or via Edge.

    However, my REAL answer, no longer playing along with the parameters of the thread is "I want an iPad, AND a Pixel, AND a Surface." And assuming I would get all three, then it only comes down to the matter of "firing order", which once again, is a very easy question for me.

    I have an early 2015 iPad Air 2 already WITH an aftermarket bluetooth keyboard cover - in fact, it's what I'm using to type this. So, the iPad pro would definitely come last. No question there. Next, while it's admitedly only a very pale shadow of a real Microsoft Surface, and indeed, was only ever intended to serve as a stopgap for me, I already have a Nextbook Flexx 11, which more or less approximates a Surface, and is serving me just fine as an intermediate tide-me-over. However, what I DON'T have is any meaningful solutions for an Android tablet. I have a 2011 HP Touchpad, which originally ran WebOS, but has been rooted, and hacked to run cyanogenmod12 (Android Lollipop.) It's technically usable, which does make it better than nothing, I suppose. But it's soooooooooo slow, and sooooooooo buggy, and often crashes, that it is not a solution at all for anything more than a rare super casual dabble with Android.

    So, without a doubt, the Pixel would be the one I'd get first chronologically, followed by the Surface, and again, the iPad Pro would bring up the rear. But once again, assuming I could ONLY have one - EVER, then it'd definitely be the Surface.

    Cheers!
    I agree, if it wasn't ANOTHER device, but would be my ONLY device, I'd want the laptop over the tablets.

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    10-03-2015 06:56 PM
  6. TheWOfficial's Avatar
    Well this seems it be a good time to ask, I'm looking for a 10 inch Windows tablet that can run Photoshop decently and a few games(Minecraft, maybe a bit if NFS U2) but I have a 200 budget. Any suggestions?
    10-03-2015 07:09 PM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    Well this seems it be a good time to ask, I'm looking for a 10 inch Windows tablet that can run Photoshop decently and a few games(Minecraft, maybe a bit if NFS U2) but I have a 200 budget. Any suggestions?
    Is a surface pro 3 more than 200?

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    10-03-2015 07:12 PM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Is a surface pro 3 more than 200?

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    10-03-2015 07:17 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    Woah, little bit. Yeah....

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    10-03-2015 08:18 PM
  10. sri_harsha900's Avatar
    surface pro 4!!!! cant wait to see the launch
    10-03-2015 10:43 PM
  11. KK SARMA's Avatar
    I'd say Surface unless I wanted any possible app to be available on it, then I would go iPad/Pixel. I really am concerned about MS product delivery and execution these days.
    Dude! you can install Bluestacks on Surface to get every Android App working on it!
    10-04-2015 08:03 AM
  12. TheWOfficial's Avatar
    Is a surface pro 3 more than 200?

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    Yep,little bit
    10-04-2015 08:38 AM
  13. KK SARMA's Avatar
    iPad for backup if either die on me. It also functions as a paperweight.
    Seriously I ROFLed not less than 15 minutes after seeing this!!!! LOL!
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    10-04-2015 08:57 AM
  14. ajj3085's Avatar
    The area where I see the iPad Pro being adopted is in the medical profession. My mother recently had surgery. Her doctors and nurses used iPads. There are a lot of medical apps for iOS. Using those apps on the iPad Pro while working in the hospital would be a lot easier than using the Surface Pro 3. This hospital also uses Macs, not PCs, in the doctors' offices.
    That varies from place to place though. Doctors here use two in ones with Windows or Windows tablets. I'd love for you to explain how exactly an ipad is easier to use than a surface. Both are touch screens, both have a stylus, both have keyboards, etc.
    10-04-2015 09:45 AM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    That varies from place to place though. Doctors here use two in ones with Windows or Windows tablets. I'd love for you to explain how exactly an ipad is easier to use than a surface. Both are touch screens, both have a stylus, both have keyboards, etc.
    Battery life, apps, accessories and OS designed for touch.

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    10-04-2015 10:21 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That varies from place to place though. Doctors here use two in ones with Windows or Windows tablets. I'd love for you to explain how exactly an ipad is easier to use than a surface. Both are touch screens, both have a stylus, both have keyboards, etc.
    Simple, iPads have 4:3 Ratio displays making it a ton easier to use in portrait mode. With the proper palm rejection the iPad is a no-brainer.

    Sent from my BlackBerry Classic on Tapatalk
    10-04-2015 02:30 PM
  17. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Dude! you can install Bluestacks on Surface to get every Android App working on it!
    I'm sorry I use Bluestacks and it's a band aid, it doesn't fix the problems.
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    10-04-2015 03:06 PM
  18. fdruid's Avatar
    Surface. Though it doesn't make a lot of sense to compare recently updated devices to past-gen Surface Pro 3, should have waited until the new Surface Pro 4 is announced.
    I don't see the point in this thread anyway, but well.
    10-04-2015 09:48 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Surface. Though it doesn't make a lot of sense to compare recently updated devices to past-gen Surface Pro 3, should have waited until the new Surface Pro 4 is announced.
    I don't see the point in this thread anyway, but well.
    I'd agree with both points. Surface 4 vs other 2015 stuff and tablets not vs Surface anything.

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    10-04-2015 10:03 PM
  20. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Hmm, I would pick a macbook pro retina, an ipad as a tablet and an iphone as a phone. Surface 3 pros are great but windows 10 on them is killing the good stuff: quality so I'll skip, surface as a tablet? no way no thanks, there are barely any apps in that store and I want a tablet not a 2in1. windows phone as phone, well nope, missing apps, outdated apps, win10 mobile is something I cannot stand, plus I ain't gonna spend 700EUR on those flagships 950 or 950xl...At that money I can get a much nicer and more usable phone with either android or ios.
    10-05-2015 05:34 AM
  21. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    Skype app will come back. Don't worry. Its still being developed. When it comes back, you'll see what a universal windows app (UWA) can do.
    10-05-2015 07:33 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    Skype app will come back. Don't worry. Its still being developed. When it comes back, you'll see what a universal windows app (UWA) can do.
    What's that mean?

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    10-05-2015 07:58 AM
  23. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Skype app will come back. Don't worry. Its still being developed. When it comes back, you'll see what a universal windows app (UWA) can do.
    This is not the first time that Microsoft has promised this (universal/convergence). All previous attempts have failed. I have no reason to believe that this time the outcome will be different. If history is any indication, these UWA's will not be truly universal and will not have the capabilities of their non-UWA counterparts.

    I wish that it would be different. I wish Microsoft would actually deliver on the vision they promised. I wish Microsoft would have faith in their products to see things through no matter what. But I know that wishing doesn't make it so.

    As I've said before, Apple's release of the iPad RT...err... Pro, is acknowledgement by Apple that Microsoft was right. Seriously, except for the lack of support for an active stylus, my Surface 2 running Windows RT is more "pro" than the iPad Pro.

    Microsoft botched the release of the Surface line. Rather than make the hard decision to fix what they did wrong and follow through, they took the "easy" way out and write it off. If they're willing to write off $1 billion for a quick fix don't think that they won't drop UWA if things go south.
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    10-05-2015 08:31 AM
  24. realwarder's Avatar
    Simple, iPads have 4:3 Ratio displays making it a ton easier to use in portrait mode. With the proper palm rejection the iPad is a no-brainer.

    Sent from my BlackBerry Classic on Tapatalk
    Have to say the Surface 3 with 3:2 is a lot better at portrait than my old Surface RT which was a widescreen device and the Surface 3 is now better than the iPad in portrait mode. 3:2 is the best balance between portrait and landscape as videos are better than an 4:3 and yet it works great for document reading as it is closer to real paper ratios than 4:3.
    10-05-2015 09:33 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Have to say the Surface 3 with 3:2 is a lot better at portrait than my old Surface RT which was a widescreen device and the Surface 3 is now better than the iPad in portrait mode. 3:2 is the best balance between portrait and landscape as videos are better than an 4:3 and yet it works great for document reading as it is closer to real paper ratios than 4:3.
    Doctors and nurses don't go watching videos while seeing patients. The context of my post was only related to input via stylus while on the go, nothing else.
    10-05-2015 11:14 AM
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