A couple of thoughts:
1) Most importantly, thanks to all in this thread for disagreeing without taking pot-shots at each other. THAT is what sets this group aside from other sites. By about Winterfang's second post where he is disagreeing with most everyone else about Nokia's early WP8 offering, people from other sites would be calling him a moron, idiot, telling him to go away, so on so forth. I enjoy Winterfangs postings. I find his arguments based in real life experience, and still see someone who wants WP on top. I appreciate everyone being respectful. (When I disagree, I tend to put a little humor into it. I did that recently with Winterfang, and hope it NEVER comes off snotty.)
2) As for these bad boys, I like them in the pictures. But I am also not thinking this is it for WP 8 from Nokia. The way Android handset makers keep churning out devices with ICS, and soon Jellybean, with different form factors and different price points, so will Nokia with WP 8. That will be what sets them apart from Samsung, HTC, and others who make their living off of Android at this point. I like the ATIV, but if I don't love it, that will probably be it from Samsung except some smaller mid-range WP's. If I see these and don't love them, no sweat. I will give Nokia a few months and a different form factor will hit the shelves.
I miss keyboards. (I think I whine like a baby enough about that. Pretty much can see all off you all rolling your eyes at me at this point going: Yeah, yeah, Mutt. So what is NEW??) But, I know it isn't coming from Sammy. I have hope Nokia will offer a couple in 2013.