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  1. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    And that's the thing. Google and Apple are using that leverage to try and kill off Windows Phone and perhaps Windows desktop too. My worry is they have enough clout to actually succeed...
    No one's leveraging anything. They're all supporting whatever standard is most popular, be it standardised or not. BlackBerry did the same and their web browser is on par with iOS and Android. This non-standard WebKit isn't something illegal, Microsoft can implement it easily through a software update, but they don't. Who gets left behind? Microsoft. Why? Too stubborn to adapt. Who's the loser? End consumer. Who's at fault? Microsoft.
    03-28-2013 08:57 AM
  2. austinlam's Avatar
    Wow, I can't believe how much you guys hate MS... I love WP... Started with a Samsung Focus, moved to a Lumia 900. After two phone with charge port issues, I can't believe I bought another Nokia... The 920 other than the "massive" size is a great device.

    The OS granted has some maturing to do, but I previously had BlackBerrys and daily access to both ios and Android. Android is useless and ios was old two years ago.



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    Windows 8 is a year away from being "done" but MS knew the OS need a radical change. Kudos to MS for having the guts. IE 10 is a great browser... Web developers need to stop targeting one browser and start targeting web standards.
    Frankly, I like Microsoft a lot, especially the OS for desktop PC. Surface pro is the way to go and I agree.

    I just can not stand for the Window Mobile as it has been developed for few years and even the basic features is not working well.
    I feel disappointed for such a giant software co. Working on the mobile OS not seriously and do not understand how users would like using the features .....etc. money is not the limited resource for Microsoft just they do not give heart on developing their products.

    Like Skype, Microsoft owns it now but did not integrate the contact info well with hotmail/outlook contact info. You can see that they never spend time to work on it. Buy it ,but do not go further. it seems to me that Microsoft is performing like Sony corp. No leadership & lazy. No listening to users experience
    03-28-2013 09:03 AM
  3. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    No one's leveraging anything. They're all supporting whatever standard is most popular, be it standardised or not. BlackBerry did the same and their web browser is on par with iOS and Android. This non-standard WebKit isn't something illegal, Microsoft can implement it easily through a software update, but they don't. Who gets left behind? Microsoft. Why? Too stubborn to adapt. Who's the loser? End consumer. Who's at fault? Microsoft.
    I agree in the short term consumers lose out, but I also believe if Microsoft went WebKit in the long term consumers would lose even worse due to the dictatorship. We always say competition drives innovation and I won't deny for a second that Google are on the right side of the law with this. It's just if Microsoft drops Trident for WebKit, you can kiss goodbye to Firefox, Opera, etc, that don't use WebKit. Apple and Google are trying to make WebKit the number one rendering engine, and destroy all others (natural for companies) but we need the competition to avoid a dictatorship. Remember Microsoft of the 90s where they used their power to ensure competitors couldn't get a foot in the door? Well this is that all over again, except this time Microsoft is the competitor. Consumer lost out last time, they will again.
    Muessig, eric12341 and ChMar like this.
    03-28-2013 10:25 AM
  4. stevethenerd's Avatar
    I agree in the short term consumers lose out...

    ... Well this is that all over again, except this time Microsoft is the competitor. Consumer lost out last time, they will again.
    you nailed it!
    03-29-2013 07:37 AM
  5. austinlam's Avatar
    you nailed it!

    If Microsoft can release Windows Blue or Win 9 for solving sending Vedio or Mp3 through Using Whatsapp
    & China WeChatts Apps; facebook etc..........and then more popular apps like Instagram & Candy Crush game ........etc....... within the next half year along with Nokia quality & innovative phone. I strongly believe that WP will succeed.
    03-29-2013 08:12 AM
  6. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    If Microsoft can release Windows Blue or Win 9 for solving sending Vedio or Mp3 through Using Whatsapp
    & China WeChatts Apps; facebook etc..........and then more popular apps like Instagram & Candy Crush game ........etc....... within the next half year along with Nokia quality & innovative phone. I strongly believe that WP will succeed.
    That same stuff you've written 9 times in this thread. We get it. Write a letter to Microsoft, will you? Other than 2 FUD posts, rest of your posts surround around this. I know you want to share videos. But on WP you can do it via Skydrive. Don't like it? Yes Microsoft will make it for you in WP9, next year.
    03-30-2013 11:23 AM
  7. austinlam's Avatar
    That same stuff you've written 9 times in this thread. We get it. Write a letter to Microsoft, will you? Other than 2 FUD posts, rest of your posts surround around this. I know you want to share videos. But on WP you can do it via Skydrive. Don't like it? Yes Microsoft will make it for you in WP9, next year.
    One more important thing, I just found that when you receive email with attached video, you even can not download it to your Window phone at all. That's really embrassed while I am trying to show some video to my Clients. I said sorry, I need to forward the mail to my client next to me. Then i have requested my client to use his iPhone to download it . What a joke ,,,,,,,:). My client get shocked and kept asking , why why......you r phone not work. What a joke .....and then I just said as my new phone is like this. May have to wait for the upgrade version but not sure.
    Last edited by austinlam; 03-31-2013 at 05:21 AM.
    03-30-2013 11:01 PM
  8. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    That same stuff you've written 9 times in this thread. We get it. Write a letter to Microsoft, will you? Other than 2 FUD posts, rest of your posts surround around this. I know you want to share videos. But on WP you can do it via Skydrive. Don't like it? Yes Microsoft will make it for you in WP9, next year.
    I'm wondering, even if we do upload the video to Sky Drive and send that link to WhatsApp on iOS, will the iPhone be able to play that video?
    03-31-2013 06:11 AM
  9. JMBasquiat's Avatar
    No one's leveraging anything. They're all supporting whatever standard is most popular, be it standardised or not.

    1. It can't be a "popular standard" and still "be it standardized or not".
    2. It's either a standard - or it isn't.
    3. WebKit is not a standard, but a popular mobile rendering engine.

    This is like Microsoft saying it's not their fault your 2013 laptop doesn't work with their website, since they're using the most "popular standard", Internet Explorer, "be it standardized or not". No amount of mistakes MS has made with its mobile effort justifies Google's arrogance and complete refusal to play nice with the contender(s) for the third spot. Or do you mean to tell me that IE for WP has no problem rendering an incredibly complex website like The Verge, but has a problem rendering the incredibly simple GMail mobile website Google serves to Android and iOS phones? Yet Google doesn't allow WP phones to use the new spiffy mobile website, but redirects them to that piece of **** they served Blackberry phones in 2005.

    It's done on purpose, and should not be excused.
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    04-03-2013 05:13 PM
  10. VoodooKing#WP's Avatar
    I.... I.... cannot...... understand..... what..... you..... said......

    One more important thing, I just found that when you receive email with attached video, you even can not download it to your Window phone at all. That's really embrassed while I am trying to show some video to my Clients. I said sorry, I need to forward the mail to my client next to me. Then i have requested my client to use his iPhone to download it . What a joke ,,,,,,,:). My client get shocked and kept asking , why why......you r phone not work. What a joke .....and then I just said as my new phone is like this. May have to wait for the upgrade version but not sure.
    04-06-2013 05:32 AM
  11. austinlam's Avatar
    For example, when someone try to email you with some attached video and you open your mail using windows phone . You can only watch the video but can not save the attached video on your windows phone.

    For iPhone or Andriod, when you open your mail with attached video. Not only you can save all attached video on your phone . You can also choose to share your attached video through different App instantly on your phone too.
    04-08-2013 07:33 AM
  12. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Does getting a BlackBerry as an extra device which I am selling next month for a small profit count before going back to using only my Nokia (or my HTC should my Nokia be in repair) count as requiring a post here?
    04-19-2013 04:11 AM
  13. Gergolos's Avatar
    For example, when someone try to email you with some attached video and you open your mail using windows phone . You can only watch the video but can not save the attached video on your windows phone.

    For iPhone or Andriod, when you open your mail with attached video. Not only you can save all attached video on your phone . You can also choose to share your attached video through different App instantly on your phone too.
    I have never done this before (watching a video from an email), but where is the problem? You said in your other posting that you wanted to show your client a video you recieved with an email...now you say you are able to watch it (but not download it). why do you have to download a video if you just want to show it to your client? Why did you send it to him so you can watch it on his iPhone? Does not make any sens to me...
    04-19-2013 04:32 AM
  14. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I'm wondering, even if we do upload the video to Sky Drive and send that link to WhatsApp on iOS, will the iPhone be able to play that video?
    Of course yes! It opens in a browser - any browser! I've done it tons of times. It works! Same with all my Office documents.
    04-19-2013 09:56 AM
  15. badMojo69's Avatar
    Guess I'm going back to Droid.

    I can't stand not having access to my DRM video these long commutes are killing me and my data plan. Whoever at MSFT has to smart idea to break something that was working in WP7 needs to be fired. I hope that the next version of WP fixes this cluster. By the way I paid full price for this phone off contract, because that's how much faith I had in the product.

    Nokia rocks and I am sad.
    04-19-2013 10:17 AM
  16. Mahdi Ghiasi's Avatar
    If Microsoft can release Windows Blue or Win 9 for solving sending Vedio or Mp3 through Using Whatsapp
    & China WeChatts Apps; facebook etc..........and then more popular apps like Instagram & Candy Crush game ........etc....... within the next half year along with Nokia quality & innovative phone. I strongly believe that WP will succeed.
    Create a folder inside Pictures folder, then put your video files there. You'll be able to view them from Photos app, and send them via Bluetooth or anything, you'll actually have the share option :)
    04-19-2013 10:27 AM
  17. bilzkh's Avatar
    I'm wondering, even if we do upload the video to Sky Drive and send that link to WhatsApp on iOS, will the iPhone be able to play that video?
    Just responding to your earlier posts. The only difference between you and I is that I am still using a Windows Phone (L920) as my only mobile, but I completely agree with what you have said on this thread. It's not so much of WP being closed is it is the Microsoft team completely dropping the ball on delivering this product. For God's sake they've got it on the NT-kernel, why can't they shift their paradigm and emulate key elements of Android - i.e. the flexibility developers have in accessing core aspects of the OS, e.g. file management, among many other things.

    I played around with a Nexus 7 for two days, and I only returned it because I couldn't fit it into my usage patterns but I am certain I could so with a solid Android phone. Looking back, I agree with Microsoft's idea in locking the UI down, sure, keep things simple and elegant, but if you're unable to keep up with the industry with regards to functionality, then why control it? Just stick with ensuring UI conformity, but leave it to the developers to do the rest by giving them the access and functionality they need in order to get stuff done! That is the only way you'll have even as much of a real chance at taking on Android and iOS. In fact, if you can demonstrate to developers that Windows Phone (from a functionality standpoint) is as 'open' and 'flexible' as Android, you'll have them on board, and pairing that Android-like power with the iOS-like elegance and visual UI conformity is bound to be a stellar combination. In fact, that could very well disturb the current market inside and out.

    In fact, that really should have been the goal with Windows Phone 8 from day one. Tell everyone, "look, we [Microsoft] want to ensure that the UI is simple, clean and elegant for the end-user, we don't want people overwhelmed by a dozen widget options...but at the same time, we don't want to tie up the hands of developers and power-users...so guess what, as long as you ensure that you follow our Metro perspective, you're free to develop for Windows Phone as you would with Android...and if you're a power-user, then accessing the phone's file management, configuring it to work the way you want is just a menu way..." Done, done, done.
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    04-19-2013 10:49 AM
  18. cory.stapleton25's Avatar
    Great read up above, I really appreciate your honestly in your review. I have a lot of friends who feel the same way, and WP8 isn't for EVERYBODY, but like you said, I bet there are a lot if iPhone users that would enjoy a Windows Phone just as much, if not more than their iPhone. It all comes down to preference. IMO, Windows Phone is better 2 and a half years in than iPhone or Android was, but then again that's probably because technology is exponential, but I digress.
    04-19-2013 11:09 AM
  19. badMojo69's Avatar
    I ended up getting the lg Optimus g. I saw the htc one but had bad flash backs to my last htc phones . My G got the jellybean update on it and I refuse to ever root ( I never understood the need to do it). Anyway I miss the live tiles, but WP8 needs more cooking time. I really hope msft gets it together.
    04-20-2013 08:28 PM
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    04-22-2013 07:28 AM
  21. dragonstar101's Avatar
    There are no updates for unlocked phones?? :O
    04-22-2013 01:52 PM
  22. Bobert_123's Avatar
    I know I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but I feel I have to. Get the Q10! It's such a damn good looking phone, with great hardware and an awesome operating system. That's not to say there's anything wrong with WP8, but if qwerty means that much to you, than I would highly recommend it.
    04-22-2013 04:19 PM
  23. switchthreesixty's Avatar
    It has been frustrating. Side note: I must have been trying to copy a number in an edit mode instead of the standard people app. See I know that some of these issues are indeed a faulty phone. But, I just can't get over how Nokia just choose to not admit it, that it at least did not recommend sending it in. Instead they just sent me a canned general form on settings and software updates. That is the rub. I ended up sending it back to ATT, luckily they allowed me out of my contract if I sent it back and switched to the HTC One, wow what a difference. But, oddly enough when I did a phone reset with the Lumia to wipe my personal information it got to the gears spinning. It did that for an hour. I manually reset, and again the gears continue to just turn until the battery wore out another hour later. So yes obviously it had some hardware issues.
    I run a small business and I am just dumb founded. If a customer sent me a similar email with these issues, I would say, that doesn't seem right, send it in and we will get it fixed and get you (the customer) set up right, assuming there are no signs of user abuse to the product. I mean, I don't understand why this is so hard for major companies to do this. As a small business owner there is simply no way I'd let this happen. But poor customer service isn't the whole picture. There are so many software issues I would recommend steering far clear of this OS. Microsoft is so so far from polishing this OS. I question if they even understand mobile. I doubt they will even catch up with IOS and android within two years, let alone offer unique or better services that one could even argue has surpassed the other OS's.
    Good Riddance to the Lumia.
    04-22-2013 09:42 PM
  24. ripple23's Avatar
    Okay, bit the bullet and got a HTC One.

    Using both devices intermittently, and I have to say HTC has a superb device on hand. It is THAT good.

    What I miss from the Nokia 920 :

    synaptic super-sensitive touch
    xbox games
    nokia music

    That is about it. For everything else there is the HTC One. Already loving Flipboard (on the super crisp display) and Google currents on it. Swift-key blows every keyboard i've used till now. Really fine device. I mean this device surpasses Apple's build quality.

    I don't care much for apps. But it is very clear to me that Windows Phone has a long way to go after using it for 6-8 months.

    I sincerely hope HTC sells a ton of these and somehow overcomes Samsung's massive marketing machine.

    I do hope that the WP8 platform improves as I have no plans to give up my much loved lumia 920.
    04-24-2013 10:42 AM
  25. berty6294's Avatar
    I don't see why people have to keep creating posts every time they change a phone. I don't see how it adds anything worthy of discussion. You should post this on a HTC One forum, not on a 920 forum.
    I personally enjoy reading about peoples experiences switching devices!
    dgr_874 likes this.
    04-24-2013 10:59 AM
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