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  1. Mindi B's Avatar
    iOS is definitely boring - but the ecosystem is far from that. It's a joy to have practically anything I'm looking for available. That's what keeps me on iOS, as well as the excellent customer support.

    If WPs ecosystem existed, I would never have left.

    So, according to The Verge, Microsoft's mobile marketshare has now dipped to under 1%. That's REALLY really bad.

    Apologists will make their comebacks with "oh but they're just chilling until next year". Yeah sorry, imagine if Apple or Google said that?

    So at what point do you say "It's DEAD"? Seems like it's pretty clear it's dead to me.
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    05-23-2016 06:28 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    So... back on OT (I thought this was meant to be a thread about leaving WP/W10M and the like as opposed to playing with your new L640 i.e. the posts above) - according to The Verge, Microsoft's mobile marketshare has now dipped to under 1%. That's REALLY really bad.

    Apologists will make their comebacks with "oh but they're just chilling until next year". Yeah sorry, imagine if Apple or Google said that?

    So at what point do you say "It's DEAD"? Seems like it's pretty clear it's dead to me.
    The difference being Apple and Google are not in the position where they HAVE to re-strategize their approach.

    BlackBerry tried to re-strategize by letting in Android Apps and it didn't save them.

    I'm still waiting to see how the retrench goes. I like where the rumors say this is going with UWP and more flexible definitions of form factor.
    05-23-2016 09:40 PM
  3. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    iOS is definitely boring - but the ecosystem is far from that. It's a joy to have practically anything I'm looking for available. That's what keeps me on iOS, as well as the excellent customer support.

    If WPs ecosystem existed, I would never have left.

    So, according to The Verge, Microsoft's mobile marketshare has now dipped to under 1%. That's REALLY really bad.

    Apologists will make their comebacks with "oh but they're just chilling until next year". Yeah sorry, imagine if Apple or Google said that?

    So at what point do you say "It's DEAD"? Seems like it's pretty clear it's dead to me.
    The Verge is biased and I blocked them long ago. That said, yes, no one can argue that the numbers are down, even in the countries where Windows phone had good respectable numbers. I prefer to do my own research to understand the real facts.

    The word "dead" is an exaggeration for the "click bate" media, haters, and of course trolls. I looked up the definition of the word. For example, no one who had a car, or say, a friend, that was having troubles, would ever use that word unless they had an agenda. Certainly no friend, especially if they were working on improving.

    Best Wishes for the future.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 05-24-2016 at 08:23 AM.
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    05-23-2016 11:07 PM
  4. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    I ordered a (yet another) iPhone this week, because I just can't take the frustration of using my Lumia 925 anymore. I have come back time and time again to WP, hoping "this time they get it right".
    I tried hard to stay, but Microsoft is not trying hard on their part. It's a total struggle just to download a podcast reliably. The number one use for my smartphone. They just go on "pause"... who the heck "pauses" a download and for what purpose? Android never does that, even if its running on 2g. iOS never does that. What kind of programming is Seattle doing there? Microsoft is literally fighting for its life here, and they seem to close their eyes to the fact that smartphones are the lion's share of tech.
    Try to download an app and it goes on "pause", be it on Wifi or LTE, it doesn't matter. The OS just decides to go to sleep. And I've had various models, and they all do that.
    Apps constantly crash. The OS is a disaster.
    Torrenting is also a big disappointment. The apps just stand still, waiting for something, even with a 60mbps connection.
    I don't care for the fact that there's less apps than for iOS or Android. I could care less. But Microsoft is lacking something more than apps. Next time I come back (if I ever come back), I hope Microsoft gets its act together.
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    05-24-2016 04:37 AM
  5. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    So long. And next time buy a 650. Nice value for money. Flawlessy and fast. And got a real 2nd gen OLED screen
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    05-24-2016 04:58 AM
  6. libra89's Avatar
    You just have to do what works for you, even if that means watching from afar, or just really hating the platform.

    I did notice that about the pause for downloads, it is kind of annoying.
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    05-24-2016 07:39 AM
  7. aximtreo's Avatar
    Microsoft is literally fighting for its life here, and they seem to close their eyes to the fact that smartphones are the lion's share of tech.

    Uh wrong. Admittedly this is a lull in MS Smart Phones but I believe that will change with more OEM's coming on-board during the next few months.

    Enjoy your iPhone and you are welcome back anytime.
    05-24-2016 07:47 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    I think I might be going back to my iPhone. Windows 10 Mobile has improved so much, but not having that one social app is making this hard for me. I hate that I feel like I have to sacrifice something to be pleased.

    If I go back to the iPhone, I miss customization and being different but I gain reliability, slightly boring (sorry, iOS just is) and that one app.
    If I stay on the 640, I miss that one social app, but I gain by having a phone that looks different (green back) and something interesting.

    For the interim, I have pinned the site to start, but it just doesn't work as well. It's not Snapchat, I doubt anyone would be able to guess it.

    Or I could try that other Android phone (it's old but it's a Sony phone, which apparently have great battery life) that I was considering, even though it only comes in black. Maybe it will meet me in the middle, or maybe I am just idealistically hoping?
    05-24-2016 07:58 AM
  9. hatie123's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 640XL with the latest WP10 fast build update & I don't have any problems downloading podcasts. I use the app Podcast Lounge & set the app to work in the background so it can download my favorite podcasts as new ones come out. With the app tile pinned, I even get notifications when new podcasts are there. I have been a loyal fan of WP for years & will keep being one till Microsoft kills it. There might be less apps in the store but I've found every one that I want easily. I don't play games on my phone 24/7 like many of my iPhone using friends.
    05-24-2016 08:17 AM
  10. digitaldd's Avatar
    My smartphone journey started with Windows Mobile 5 & 6.1 Samsung Blackjack & HTC Touch Pro 2, then went Android for several years on Nexus devices nexus One and Nexus 4. Came back to Windows phone 8.1 last year with a Lumia 640 LTE due to all the fragmentation in Android (Devices don't get the necessary security updates, look at the mess that stagefright has become no devices seem to be receiving the updates that fix it not even nexus devices), I'm not saying Windows Phone is better just that with 1% of the market you have a certain security through obscurity. I keep seeing full blown ransomeware on iOS (even devices fully up to date) and Android devices that cannot be update to whatever is deemed safe. The only Android vendor who supports their hardware for more than 1.5 years is Sony (Samsung supports flagship devices only for 2 years all other devices you are lucky to get 6 months). The other thing is the cost of a decent phone, the cheaper Android ones (under $200) generally have no support and don't get any OS updates. And Apple's thing seems to be not supporting iOS hardware more than 2 years old with new software. once again Microsoft isn't any better there but there are many under $100 devices, and if a $100 phone can last you over a year what is not to like?
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    05-24-2016 09:05 AM
  11. libra89's Avatar
    My smartphone journey started with Windows Mobile 5 & 6.1 Samsung Blackjack & HTC Touch Pro 2, then went Android for several years on Nexus devices nexus One and Nexus 4. Came back to Windows phone 8.1 last year with a Lumia 640 LTE due to all the fragmentation in Android (Devices don't get the necessary security updates, look at the mess that stagefright has become no devices seem to be receiving the updates that fix it not even nexus devices), I'm not saying Windows Phone is better just that with 1% of the market you have a certain security through obscurity. I keep seeing full blown ransomeware on iOS (even devices fully up to date) and Android devices that cannot be update to whatever is deemed safe. The only Android vendor who supports their hardware for more than 1.5 years is Sony (Samsung supports flagship devices only for 2 years all other devices you are lucky to get 6 months). The other thing is the cost of a decent phone, the cheaper Android ones (under $200) generally have no support and don't get any OS updates. And Apple's thing seems to be not supporting iOS hardware more than 2 years old with new software. once again Microsoft isn't any better there but there are many under $100 devices, and if a $100 phone can last you over a year what is not to like?
    Valid points, but some of them aren't correct. Last I checked, you can install iOS 9.3 (I think?) on the 4s.
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    05-24-2016 09:26 AM
  12. ramyZgHR's Avatar
    Hi again. Been coming back reading this thread for a few days now. Posted why I'm leaving WP a few pages back. Just wanted to fill in some thoughts; When the Lumia 920 was released here (Sweden) I directly bought one. Although it was hard to find a store that had those in stock. There were no advertising or commercials about this flagship cellphone. In fact all WindowsPhones were situated in the far, dark corner of every shop or retailer I visited. The knowledge from salesmen wasn't better....."Say what?? You want a WP?? Lets see where we keep them and IF we have any of them in stock....." and it wasn't better when you asked them to startup the phone and/or promote the WP for you to buy it. Almost everybody knew nada. Well, so far I've had this Lumia 920, Lumia 735 and now a 650. All of them I've been forced to know everything I want/need by browsing the web, including if they were available in Sweden. The situation is exactly the same today....no wonder nobody is seen with a WP among friends/colleagues or in public. As I feel it , it's like MS don't give a sxxt about this business or their customers. Yes, they release a few new models now and then but it dont feel like a solid interest in this from MS. I really, really like the OS but I'm leaving because of what I written above and because of the app gap. How are Lumias or WP's marketed and advertised where YOU live? Very curious....
    I live in Croatia and there is no advertising of MS products at all here! Not talking just about phones, no advertising at all!
    I understand that we're small market here, but still... If BMW can, I don't see the reason MS could not.
    Still, there is decent offerings of MS phones via carriers. My first phone was HTC 8x, then L925, 930, 735, all bought at my carrier for reasonable prices.
    About month ago I finally decided to quit the game and bought Z3c.
    I'm sorry to leave, but got sick of "soon" and "app name" decided to leave the platform. MS ruined their mobile division by not doing anything. Bad menagement, I guess.
    I hope that I'm wrong and that things will become better, but wouldn't hold my breath on that.
    If something change in their approach on great platform I'll be back. :)

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    05-24-2016 02:13 PM
  13. wplee's Avatar

    So at what point do you say "It's DEAD"? Seems like it's pretty clear it's dead to me.
    Its NOT dead.

    Its only just starting. And you really need to understand and be clear what your talking actually about.

    Sure, if your talking about old Windows Phone 8.1 or Lumia as a market share then yes, its declining, dead even. But your looking backwards to the past. I understand your frustration with Microsoft, but this time really is different.

    In 2016 were now talking about Windows 10. TEN!!!!! The Mobile version of the desktop that is now on over 300M+ desktops - that's 300,000,000+ in just two years. Windows 10 is HUGE - a smash hit.

    How much have a percentage do you think Android Marshmallow is on? Less than 10%? You do also realise that iPhone sales and iPad sales are in decline according to Apple's own last two quarters. That's why looking back at what's currently popular is pointless.

    There is no risk of Windows Mobile being killed off because its 99% of the desktop version anyway. With Universal Apps we are not waiting for developers to make phone only Apps. They will target the desktop users 300 HUNDRED MILLION SO FAR and make them universal to include phones. It's a win-win.

    But I understand that for those of us here its been a long wait with little to show for. I've been angry too. But Microsoft are finally at the right place. By the time Surface Phone launches Windows 10 will have almost 500M installs. Even Snapchat would not be able to ignore that number.

    Unfortunately for those of use who started on Windows Phone 7, 8 and Lumia's etc we've all been test mice. So yes, be angry but that doesn't mean that Windows 10 Mobile is dead. Its brand new with Microsoft's $100 Billion war chest behind it. Windows 10 Mobile is here to stay in the next mobile OS wars for sure.
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    05-24-2016 04:14 PM
  14. anon(9573638)'s Avatar
    So... back on OT (I thought this was meant to be a thread about leaving WP/W10M and the like as opposed to playing with your new L640 i.e. the posts above) - according to The Verge, Microsoft's mobile marketshare has now dipped to under 1%. That's REALLY really bad.

    Apologists will make their comebacks with "oh but they're just chilling until next year". Yeah sorry, imagine if Apple or Google said that?

    So at what point do you say "It's DEAD"? Seems like it's pretty clear it's dead to me.
    That <1% is sales. Marketshare is 2.4-ish%.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    05-24-2016 04:54 PM
  15. Kieta's Avatar
    Marketshare is .7% for 1st qtr of 2016 down from 2.5% from qtr 1 of 2015. Fat lady is clearing her throat.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Smartphone Sales Grew 3.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2016
    05-24-2016 06:01 PM
  16. Joe920's Avatar
    Fat lady is clearing her throat.
    This is going to be a mysterious comment for non-native speakers. :)
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    05-24-2016 06:08 PM
  17. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Marketshare is .7% for 1st qtr of 2016 down from 2.5% from qtr 1 of 2015. Fat lady is clearing her throat.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Smartphone Sales Grew 3.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2016
    And then she'll more than likely come down with a bad case of Laryngitis
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    05-24-2016 06:51 PM
  18. Queen Kong1's Avatar
    Windows Phone Is Basically Dead, Gartner Says | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    I think they shouldn't have released a phone with a Alpha O/s for $900 bit cheeky! Apple/ Android would never do that.......plus the no Apps!! most ppl I know have jumped ship now anyhow. Smartest thing to do now is let Android run on all the lumias hehhehe. If you buy a phone you want it to run work not be buggy for a whole year!!! OR MORE
    05-24-2016 07:10 PM
  19. libra89's Avatar
    Windows Phone Is Basically Dead, Gartner Says | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    I think they shouldn't have released a phone with a Alpha O/s for $900 bit cheeky! Apple/ Android would never do that.......plus the no Apps!! most ppl I know have jumped ship now anyhow. Smartest thing to do now is let Android run on all the lumias hehhehe. If you buy a phone you want it to run work not be buggy for a whole year!!! OR MORE
    From what I see of this, Blackberry is the one that is truly dead. Windows phone is on it's way there...but to be fair, there has been a huge gap in releases, and general availability. Hopefully it will just appear to be that way for now.

    As for me, I'm back in the wings of watching from afar.
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    05-24-2016 10:48 PM
  20. Jordan Griesshaber's Avatar
    I miss my Lumia 1020, I miss the fantastic WM8.1 OS (not joking) and wonderful Cortana. But lack of Apps finally made me buy a Nexus 6. Android 6.0.1 is not perfect, but with WM10 dead and the industry has clearly moved on, everyone clinging to WM10 are just deniers...its sad. If microsoft had gotten the iOS app converter going like 2 years ago, I would have held on...
    05-25-2016 12:38 AM
  21. TommyDeca's Avatar
    I'm switching platforms, but actually from iOS to Windows 10 Mobile. Guess I just wanted to try something new, and ordered a new Lumia 950 on Friday on a specal offer that includes a Lumia 650 for free. I know you have had a 950XL / 950 offer in the US, but the 950/650 is the best offer I have seen here in Norway.

    I will get it delivered later today, cant wait to do the switch :)
    05-25-2016 01:49 AM
  22. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    Marketshare is .7% for 1st qtr of 2016 down from 2.5% from qtr 1 of 2015. Fat lady is clearing her throat.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Smartphone Sales Grew 3.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2016
    To be fair, Microsoft has never quit putting out smartphones. They invented them in 2002 with the original Pocket PC on TMobile. They will be around.
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    05-25-2016 02:12 AM
  23. Mindi B's Avatar
    Here's the full memo "released" today for your psychoanalytical pleasure:



    Team,

    Last week we announced the sale of our feature phone business. Today I want to share that we are taking the additional step of streamlining our smartphone hardware business, and we anticipate this will impact up to 1,850 jobs worldwide, up to 1,350 of which are in Finland. These changes are incredibly difficult because of the impact on good people who have contributed greatly to Microsoft. Speaking on behalf of Satya and the entire Senior Leadership Team, we are committed to help each individual impacted with our support, resources, and respect.

    For context, Windows 10 recently crossed 300 million monthly active devices, our Surface and Xbox customer satisfaction is at record levels, and HoloLens enthusiasts are developing incredible new experiences. Yet our phone success has been limited to companies valuing our commitment to security, manageability, and Continuum, and with consumers who value the same. Thus, we need to be more focused in our phone hardware efforts.

    With this focus, our Windows strategy remains unchanged:

    1. Universal apps. We have built an amazing platform, with a rich innovation roadmap ahead. Expanding the devices we reach and the capabilities for developers is our top priority.

    2. We always take care of our customers, Windows phones are no exception. We will continue to update and support our current Lumia and OEM partner phones, and develop great new devices.

    3. We remain steadfast in our pursuit of innovation across our Windows devices and our services to create new and delightful experiences. Our best work for customers comes from our device, platform, and service combination.

    At the same time, our company will be pragmatic and embrace other mobile platforms with our productivity services, device management services, and development tools -- regardless of a person's phone choice, we want everyone to be able to experience what Microsoft has to offer them.

    With that all said... I used the words "be more focused" above. This in fact describes what we are doing (we're scaling back, but we're not out!), but at the same time I don't love it because it lacks the emotional impact of this decision. When I look back on our journey in mobility, we've done hard work and had great ideas, but have not always had the alignment needed across the company to make an impact. At the same time, Ars Technica recently published a long story documenting our journey to create the universal platform for our developers. The story shows the real challenges we faced, and the grit required to get it done. The story closes with this:

    "And as long as it has taken the company, Microsoft has still arguably achieved something that its competitors have not... It took more than two decades to get there, but Microsoft still somehow got there first."

    For me, that's what focus can deliver for us, and now we get to build on that foundation to build amazing products.

    Terry
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    05-25-2016 05:00 AM
  24. chmun77's Avatar
    Here's the full memo "released" today for your psychoanalytical pleasure:



    Team,

    Last week we announced the sale of our feature phone business. Today I want to share that we are taking the additional step of streamlining our smartphone hardware business, and we anticipate this will impact up to 1,850 jobs worldwide, up to 1,350 of which are in Finland. These changes are incredibly difficult because of the impact on good people who have contributed greatly to Microsoft. Speaking on behalf of Satya and the entire Senior Leadership Team, we are committed to help each individual impacted with our support, resources, and respect.

    For context, Windows 10 recently crossed 300 million monthly active devices, our Surface and Xbox customer satisfaction is at record levels, and HoloLens enthusiasts are developing incredible new experiences. Yet our phone success has been limited to companies valuing our commitment to security, manageability, and Continuum, and with consumers who value the same. Thus, we need to be more focused in our phone hardware efforts.

    With this focus, our Windows strategy remains unchanged:

    1. Universal apps. We have built an amazing platform, with a rich innovation roadmap ahead. Expanding the devices we reach and the capabilities for developers is our top priority.

    2. We always take care of our customers, Windows phones are no exception. We will continue to update and support our current Lumia and OEM partner phones, and develop great new devices.

    3. We remain steadfast in our pursuit of innovation across our Windows devices and our services to create new and delightful experiences. Our best work for customers comes from our device, platform, and service combination.

    At the same time, our company will be pragmatic and embrace other mobile platforms with our productivity services, device management services, and development tools -- regardless of a person's phone choice, we want everyone to be able to experience what Microsoft has to offer them.

    With that all said... I used the words "be more focused" above. This in fact describes what we are doing (we're scaling back, but we're not out!), but at the same time I don't love it because it lacks the emotional impact of this decision. When I look back on our journey in mobility, we've done hard work and had great ideas, but have not always had the alignment needed across the company to make an impact. At the same time, Ars Technica recently published a long story documenting our journey to create the universal platform for our developers. The story shows the real challenges we faced, and the grit required to get it done. The story closes with this:

    "And as long as it has taken the company, Microsoft has still arguably achieved something that its competitors have not... It took more than two decades to get there, but Microsoft still somehow got there first."

    For me, that's what focus can deliver for us, and now we get to build on that foundation to build amazing products.

    Terry
    Indeed.... The next thing we know is that Terry quits too. LOL!
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    05-25-2016 07:46 AM
  25. chmun77's Avatar
    Windows Phone Is Basically Dead, Gartner Says | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    I think they shouldn't have released a phone with a Alpha O/s for $900 bit cheeky! Apple/ Android would never do that.......plus the no Apps!! most ppl I know have jumped ship now anyhow. Smartest thing to do now is let Android run on all the lumias hehhehe. If you buy a phone you want it to run work not be buggy for a whole year!!! OR MORE
    Fans will disagree (not me). They will tell you that they can survive without much apps, not using Facebook, Snapchat, UWP is the way to go, blah blah blah...... How I wish to see their faces when Microsoft throws in the towel for windows phone one fine day.
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    05-25-2016 07:49 AM
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