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  1. libra89's Avatar
    I admit that I sometimes wonder how it would be to use a phone with a physical QWERTY keyboard, just for a week. Not enough to find one to buy though, because I just know that I would complain about the slow speeds for data unless I use a blackberry, of course.

    Random thought aside, I'm looking forward to having this battery anxiety pass. It seems like I am getting a day and some of battery life from the Nextbit Robin. I would even say that it is kind of similar to the battery life of the iPhone SE. However, out the box, you wouldn't get that sadly. I also noticed that I haven't tweaked as much as I thought I would by now.

    Something small that wins for iOS and W10M is that if you used a picture for a background, change the background and then delete the 1st picture, you wouldn't see the picture on your device again to choose from for wallpapers. I'm fighting the urge to factory reset my device because I hate seeing pictures that I deleted as choices for my wallpaper :/
    07-05-2016 04:44 PM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    I get what your saying, however "iOS beta" doesn't last a year...
    And to add to this, I've been using iOS (and OS X) beta builds, and I couldn't tell I'm not using production builds based on the stability. The betas are very solid. I'm guessing that Microsoft pushes them out a bit sooner than Apple does.
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    07-05-2016 04:45 PM
  3. chmun77's Avatar
    And yet it works flawlessly on my P9 lite. :D
    Ironically, both Android and iOS are still having updated Here maps while Here maps is discontinued on windows phones. I know the fans will say WP has MS maps but sadly MS maps do not work as good as Here and Google maps outside USA.
    07-05-2016 10:34 PM
  4. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Ironically, both Android and iOS are still having updated Here maps while Here maps is discontinued on windows phones. I know the fans will say WP has MS maps but sadly MS maps do not work as good as Here and Google maps outside USA.
    My family has always used the NAVlGON app and it uses Navteq (now, HERE) maps and still works great on our Windows Phone 8.1 phones. I recently received an update to the maps. The NAVlGON app is great and worth every cent we paid for them.
    07-05-2016 11:20 PM
  5. eddydu's Avatar
    Man this is tough. I currently bought a note 4, prior using the lumia 1520 for two years. I switched because of my need of google drive, docs, and other services and the app gap. I recently bought a 1520 again on ebay, and installed windows phone 10 on it. i have to admit its pretty stable on the 1520 and gave me a new sense of love for windows phone. Also the screen size of the 1520 is so amazing I dont need a tablet or in some cases my laptop as well. I dont care about banking apps I prefer the website anyways but if windows phone supported google stuff more then i would totally stick with the 1520. If I can i would love to keep both, but would have to sell one.
    07-06-2016 12:42 AM
  6. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I get what your saying, however "iOS beta" doesn't last a year...
    Windows 10 Insider Preview will last for years. Not just one. The reason being it is an open developmental branch. You don't get that priviledge with iOS betas. You get them at a stage equivalent to "release preview ring" on W10. There isn't any equvilalent exposure of the software to consumers, as "fast ring" on WIP.
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    07-06-2016 07:28 AM
  7. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Man this is tough. I currently bought a note 4, prior using the lumia 1520 for two years. I switched because of my need of google drive, docs, and other services and the app gap. I recently bought a 1520 again on ebay, and installed windows phone 10 on it. i have to admit its pretty stable on the 1520 and gave me a new sense of love for windows phone. Also the screen size of the 1520 is so amazing I dont need a tablet or in some cases my laptop as well. I dont care about banking apps I prefer the website anyways but if windows phone supported google stuff more then i would totally stick with the 1520. If I can i would love to keep both, but would have to sell one.
    Windows Phone loves Google. Also, it 100% supports all the Google stuff. The problem is, Google doesn't support Windows Phone.
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    07-06-2016 07:33 AM
  8. murtaza_p's Avatar
    this platform drives you crazy but you just cant leave it.
    while I have two numbers one work and one personal I tried using both by using 2 android phones . while my personal phone still is a Samsung S7 Edge my work phone has seen may changes. Initially starting of with a humble moto e, giving up that for a Lumia 830 the Lumia 1520 which in my opinion was the best windows phone ever however due to a camera issue had to let go of that phone which landed me up with a Lumia 930 which had a brilliant screen but a horrible battery life and terrible phone heating issue irrespective of the build or even on windows 8.1 which finally landed me with the Lumia 950 XL DS (with one sim in it,work sim).
    while I am actually surprised with the performance of this phone camera and battery life I still cant keep this as my daily driver and only as my work phone mainly due to the occasional freezing up of the software the random reboots (which rarely happens to be honest).
    While the s7 edge is the better phone I still find my self using the Lumia 950XL DS more , as to be honest I find android OS to be boring .
    lets hope the HP falcon lands in my country (india) which I highly doubt it will as most of the Microsoft stores itself have wound up due to the lack of business .
    Microsoft made the biggest mistake by releasing builds of their upcoming OS to the public as it lost the element of surprise , had they launched the official OS with the Lumia 950 twins , as the public got a bad taste of W10 initially not realising that these are preview builds and treating them as daily drivers , very few people like us in this community realise that importance .
    While W10 is still isn't complete and still has a few bugs , I can say its close after my brief 6 month absence with this OS and coming back to the platform as my work phone with the L930 I was actually impressed from what my experience last was with the L1520.
    The L950XL is a worthy successor to the L1520 ( no I am not biased to the 950XL just because its my current secondary phone ) but it does lack the old charm of the previous Nokia made phone with the beautiful design with the curved glass panel and good fit and finish. Infact that's the only flaw I can find with the L950XL is the bad fit and finish . The buttons feel crude and the back panel creaks like a cheap phone and not a Rs.40,000+ phone .
    The camera is amazing so is the screen quality . infact in some occasions it takes better shots than my S7 Edge, battery lasts almost as good as my S7 Edge .
    Microsoft is brilliant at working at the OS however in process of fixing some things they break the others at times .
    I really love the OS which is why I use it more than my S7 edge but Microsoft is nearly there and I really hope the HP falcon is a turning point for the OS
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    07-06-2016 07:59 AM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    Alright, so it's been about a week for me with the Nextbit Robin and by this point, I have seen everything I wanted to see about it.

    Battery life on it after my tweaks put me at the 20-24 hour regular usage before needing to charge again. It's way better than what I experienced the first time around when I tried the Robin, and that's good. However, I am still charging every day, just never more once a day though.

    Camera is adequate enough for my needs, both of them. Sound is great, so glad they fixed the sound issue in the June update.

    My overall review of it is that it's great looking, nice OS, and I am mostly pleased with it. The size is an adjustment, especially coming from the iPhone SE, but I adjusted fast. It fits most of my work pants pockets (and even some of my jeans, even though the end sticks out), aside from one that has silly pockets anyway lol.

    I said this a few posts back:

    I got my Nextbit Robin last night, and I'm hoping that it could be a decent middle ground for me. I'll see how the battery life goes. If it is decent enough for me and my usage, I can take a break on the switching hopefully (unless I just feel like it, which can happen too based on what I'm doing).
    The real question is, does it meet that for me?
    -drumroll-

    I would say it does. I think I might have found a winner for that middle ground! I kind of wish it was slightly smaller and that I can charge it every other day, yes but otherwise, it's pretty cool. Going to try to hang out with it for the rest of the month at least.
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    07-07-2016 08:24 AM
  10. Smiggyy's Avatar
    Bought myself a Sony Experia Z3 Compact (always loved the old sony ericsson walkman phones) to do a comparison of Android 6 and Windows 10.
    What I found has really amazed me and also got me stumped too. More a platform comparison before people state the obvious regarding hardware specs. The phone cost me the same as I paid for my 640 as a point of comparison!
    I've been an advocate of the Windows phone platform from 7 through to 8.1 but the competition I'm afraid has stepped up and frankly left W10 fopr dead.
    For example, 'Hey Cortana' isn't available for my Lumia 640 but 'Ok Google' is available across the board and boy its good too!
    Cortana of late on IP and Production release has been poor, can't understand me, can't dial or text over bluetooth when driving and didn't MicroSoft pioneer the whole digital assistant gimmick anyway?
    I really don't want to try Cortana on Android as it will probably be annoyingly better thanon Windows.
    The long standing 'joke' that is FB on W10 is just simply great on Android, fluid, fast and well defined/laid out.
    The app store is a nightmare on W10, not only in available content (I know this has always been the case) but layout and ease of use, not so in Google Play.
    Simple things I can find on Google Play like for example my breakdown provider GEM's app, doesn't exist on W10? The industry is voting with their feet here. Most people use Windows day to day but they are simply not taking W10 Mobile seriously, what do they know that we don't?
    Outlook app is ok at very best on W10, its miles ahead on the opposition's platform (how the hell did this happen?).
    Google Chrome is like lightening, Edge on it's own platform is pants! I know its new but seriously, it's like driving out of the garage in a shiny all new Model T Ford!
    Word and Excel on Android are fantastic, yes I know some will say it's down to fact that 640 only has 1GB RAM and Z3 has 2GB but there are other subtle differences too.
    The battery drain issue that has been a blight on W10 appears to be not going away yet Android Marshmallow has 'Doze' which again I was completely amazed at. Put my andrroid phone on aiirplane mode last night alongside the 640, no apps running and this morning the android phone has lost 1% charge overnight, the 640 has lost 11% and looking at these boards its worse for other handsets.

    I really, really wanted Android to come up lame in comparison but to find bespoke Microsoft apps performing better on other people's platforms has made me decide it's time to end my love affair with this lady and take up with a new 'woman'!
    God knows what Android 'N' will deliver but if it's anything like the current version or better then the hill just got that bit steeper for W10!
    This isn't meant to be a slate on W10 I'm just simply reporting on how annoyingly polished and good this platform is compared to W10 and I'm really, really sad about it.

    Nobody will miss one person moving platform but I really wanted Android to fail in comparison.
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    07-08-2016 05:27 AM
  11. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    your experience isn't the norm nor the exception. I've just read another forum post by someone comparing an android device and windows device and he definitely found the windows phone better, especially in some of the areas where you found the other way around
    07-08-2016 06:08 AM
  12. wizbit's Avatar
    They'll be back. My wife has an Android and I'm having to constantly try to fix it. I'm an IT manager and have used them all. I've had people complain about Windows on their phone and wanted Android. A year later, when the contract is due for renewal, wanting to switch back.
    07-08-2016 08:58 AM
  13. ananve's Avatar
    Smiggy,
    Please report back your experience after some months with this phone. We would like to hear how you have been with your decision after some months.

    By the way, you said you think Nougat would be great. Do you think when will your phone get Nougat?
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    07-08-2016 09:47 AM
  14. rhapdog's Avatar
    Bought myself a Sony Experia Z3 Compact (always loved the old sony ericsson walkman phones) to do a comparison of Android 6 and Windows 10.
    What I found has really amazed me and also got me stumped too. More a platform comparison before people state the obvious regarding hardware specs. The phone cost me the same as I paid for my 640 as a point of comparison!
    You state that it's not a "spec" comparison, but you made a few errors I'd like to point out. The cost of the phone aside, there are VAST differences in the specs. If you got them for the same price, then you bought the 640 new when it first came out (paid too much) and picked up the Sony on a real deal after it has been on the market for a long time. That's the way all phone products work with every brand. They are more expensive when they first come out, and the price drops later.

    A more accurate comparison between the platforms would be between a Lumia 930 or 1520 and the Sony Experia Z3. If you aren't matching hardware, you can't accurately compare the platform on how "speedy" it works, as you made those comparisons yourself.

    For example, 'Hey Cortana' isn't available for my Lumia 640 but 'Ok Google' is available across the board and boy its good too!
    The reason for this is that both Hey Cortana and OK Google BOTH require a chipset that has passive listening capabilities. The Lumia 640 is running on an Snapdragon 400 chipset which does NOT have passive listening. The Sony has the Snapdragon 801, which has it. It is also a beast on processing power, which will leave the 400 in its dust for running apps even with the same memory on the phone. The 1520 has Hey Cortana and uses the Snapdragon 800 chipset. Go figure. You can get one around $200 right now if you look in the right places.

    Cortana of late on IP and Production release has been poor, can't understand me, can't dial or text over bluetooth when driving and didn't MicroSoft pioneer the whole digital assistant gimmick anyway?
    Yeah, that was irritating for a while for me as well. However, latest Redstone release has fixed those issues and Cortana works better than before. Getting great response now.

    Google Chrome is like lightening, Edge on it's own platform is pants! I know its new but seriously, it's like driving out of the garage in a shiny all new Model T Ford!
    Yeah, right. This has nothing to do with a Chrome and Edge comparison. It's all about CPU speed you're dealing with here. On exactly the same spec'd devices, Edge will outperform Chrome.

    Word and Excel on Android are fantastic, yes I know some will say it's down to fact that 640 only has 1GB RAM and Z3 has 2GB but there are other subtle differences too.
    To say they are fantastic on Android and say the difference may be because of the RAM difference? Yeah, you're talking about performance again. It's the CPU speed, not the amount of RAM. Sorry.

    The problem here is that you're comparing apples and oranges (OEM references not intended here). And I'm not talking the OS.
    1. You want to talk about how one has features another doesn't have (passive listening), but that's not in the OS, it's in the chipset, and you bought a higher end chipset for the Android comparison.
    2. You want to talk about how much faster apps are on the Android phone, but again, that's not the OS, it's the chipset.

    You're entire logic is flawed. If you want a real comparison, put up a 1520 with the latest 14383 Redstone release, and then come back and talk. Until then, I call BS.
    07-08-2016 10:01 AM
  15. Smiggyy's Avatar
    What the hell did you have for breakfast?
    My logic isn't flawed, its based on years of using one platform and comparing the changes I observed?
    I notice you've cherry picked all the things you can criticise?
    I know that spec is the issue in cases and as for how much I paid for th 640 when it came out may have something to do with the country I live in compared to yours, not that I got ripped off?
    If you're such a fanboy then please explain my comment on why so many app producers are avoiding producing apps on the W10M platform when windows is so widely used in the business community, in that case?
    Something I OBSERVED when frequenting the app store on Android (not mentioned in your critique)?
    The FB issue, not mentioned by you, but again, an observation?

    Like I said I'm just one person who has acquired, as you state, a higher spec'd phone than the one I was using for windows but I wasn't expecting the 'differences' I experienced. Store layout, amount of available apps, for example major banks that dont have a presence in W10M apps store? Simple GEM breakdown app. Battery drain issue, no mention again but then again why would you, not a point of criticism.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Windows Mobile days are numbered, if only by the consumer base migrating to the Android/IOS platforms. There aren't enough vendors willing to produce handsets with this OS onboard, again there must be a reason for this and again, like the app store issue, I don't know the reason.
    As for the last line of your reply "I call BS" then I think your title of "Retired Senior Ambassador" blatantly wasn't gained in the field of diplomacy.
    Are you a Yank by any chance?
    07-08-2016 10:30 AM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    As for the last line of your reply "I call BS" then I think your title of "Retired Senior Ambassador" blatantly wasn't gained in the field of diplomacy.
    rhapdog served quite honorably as a Senior Ambassador and has helped literally thousands of users with his guides and advice. He was super active in the SA role and remains always ready to help and very up to date on his knowledge and research.

    I don't think his well earned custom title needs to be called into question, sir. I take offence at your statement, though he probably will not. He's a most affable man.
    07-08-2016 11:11 AM
  17. mgd 57's Avatar
    I have to agree here albeit reluctantly, Windows is on very shaky ground, I've been a fan of both windows and android for many years since the HTC hd2 on Windows 6.5, undoubtedly one of the best or the best handset ever produced, I have the latest HTC on android now along side my favorite Lumia 1520 which I find so hard to put down and as a matter of interest it does acquire admiring looks and the occasional "do you mind me asking what is that phone"from jo public. However, let's look at this sensibly, if this were apple, (I'm no fan) or android, it would come together in no time, yes there may be a few glitches but ironed out in in a few days or hours, before anyone jumps to defend ms, think carefully, there has never been a bad build on android. Yes, this is new but no, really it's not, It's an update of a current system which threorically shouldn't be difficult with the skillset that they have to get it right, or have all the brains left MS? I digress. They have less than 1% of the current mobile market and falling, now we have buy one get one free with their flagship phone. In my local 02 store, in the last 12 months they have sold 5 units, 3 came back with major faults and were not replaced like for like. Poor marketing and products equals demise and termination. Simple. If this were apple, and the only real clever thing about them is their marketing, It's blindingly brilliant for such cheaply produced products, have you ever tried to listen to someone on an iPhone? Pillow case springs to mind. I rest my case, it should primarily be a good phone.
    So in summary, those if us who remain and have stuck with this almost painful mess of a system which should and could be brilliant are left wondering what next!! We get on every update.. "we have fixed this that and the other, but what really happens is what we forgot to tell you this that and the other is now broken. One step away from the final anniversary build???? I dread to see what comes out.
    Last edited by mgd 57; 07-08-2016 at 12:26 PM.
    07-08-2016 11:41 AM
  18. jdballard's Avatar
    What the hell did you have for breakfast?
    How the hell is that relevant?

    I notice you've cherry picked all the things you can criticise?
    Maybe because he agreed with your other points and didn't feel it necessitated replying with "I agree" to those points?

    I know that spec is the issue in cases and as for how much I paid for th 640 when it came out may have something to do with the country I live in compared to yours, not that I got ripped off?
    Well, gsmareana.com lists the 640 in "price group" 4 (190 EUR), whereas the Xperia Z3 Compact is in price group 7 (390 EUR), so there is a huge difference in price even when new. I would say that given that the phones are about 6 months in age difference (based on release dates) that if you paid the same for both, you probably overpaid. Heck, the Lumia $640 is now going for $30 in the U.S. - if you can find one. For the phone you get for that $30, that's a pretty good value.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Windows Mobile days are numbered, if only by the consumer base migrating to the Android/IOS platforms.
    That's hardly going out on a limb - people have been saying it for a long time. Now, MS has said they intend to stay in the game - even if shifting focus - and only time will tell if they truly stay in or completely exit.

    As for the last line of your reply "I call BS" then I think your title of "Retired Senior Ambassador" blatantly wasn't gained in the field of diplomacy.
    Are you a Yank by any chance?
    Cute. How is that relevant? Going to over-generalize that Yanks aren't good at diplomacy? Seems to me that you aren't very diplomatic either by generalizing and stereotyping all Yanks. I'd say a lack of diplomacy applies to your opening retort of "What the hell did you have for breakfast?" as well.

    Oh, and *I* cherry picked what I responded to simply because I'm a Yank and I can do whatever the hell I want.

    I think your post might have been a little more well received if you had said something, heck, anything, nice towards Windows mobile. Because it does have it's good points. Instead, it came across as completely one-side and nothing but bashing - even with your disclaimer that you wanted Android to come up lame in comparison.

    One more thing: I say all this as someone that has left Windows mobile myself. I hated doing it, too. The *only* thing that is keeping me away from Windows mobile is the lack and quality of apps. I fthe apps come to Windows mobile, I'll be back. The Android UI/UX is a mess - even on my HTC 10 which is not too far from stock Android. I love the customization abilities in Android but there is zero consistency across apps. But, the apps are there, and apps are what rule mobile.
    07-08-2016 03:21 PM
  19. mark233's Avatar
    ok ok ...... NEXT!
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    07-08-2016 08:06 PM
  20. libra89's Avatar
    Too lazy to quote but preach @jballard

    I was in a store tonight and I almost bought this just because it said Windows phones.

    However, I do agree with him. Can't say that I wouldn't be back, just hoping for app improvements on W10M

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    07-08-2016 08:43 PM
  21. wgs84's Avatar
    I was in a store tonight and I almost bought this just because it said Windows phones.
    Yes, it's really kind of neat when I see a "designed for Windows Phone" or "Download from Windows Phone Store" icon somewhere on a package or billboard since they're such a rarity. This is from the back of my sd card's package:

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    07-08-2016 09:29 PM
  22. ricardocr's Avatar
    So I got a S7 edge and I like it, especially the fact that all the apps are there and that Skype finally works properly, no more looking at a empty group chat window since rarely loaded the messages in WM, but I have to say that the twitter app for WM10 is much better, at android it chooses for you the first tweets in the same way as Facebook and there is no way to look at the tweets in chronological order
    07-09-2016 09:53 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    There really are other options if you use your phone as, well, a phone. It's not all about Snapchat or Instagram. When did MMS go out of vogue? I don't have a Twitter account because if I'm going to be limited to 140 characters, I'll stick with SMS and its 160 character limit. If a certain app is not available, I use a web browser. It all sounds ridiculous but except for the excellent cameras on modern smartphones, there are ways to simplify our lives without getting an aneurysm like some people here.

    Chill people, it's JUST a phone.
    07-09-2016 06:22 PM
  24. libra89's Avatar
    There really are other options if you use your phone as, well, a phone. It's not all about Snapchat or Instagram. When did MMS go out of vogue? I don't have a Twitter account because if I'm going to be limited to 140 characters, I'll stick with SMS and its 160 character limit. If a certain app is not available, I use a web browser. It all sounds ridiculous but except for the excellent cameras on modern smartphones, there are ways to simplify our lives without getting an aneurysm like some people here.

    Chill people, it's JUST a phone.
    You have a great point. I think it just depends on what people prefer for a phone. For me, I have multiple reasons why I use Twitter, but my friend thinks the same as you though.

    For me, I am not able to watch all of the baseball games I want to so having push notifications and video of excellent performances is great. Not having that to me makes me wonder why do I have a smartphone then? Having different ways to communicate is great imo.

    I think all of this really goes back to the individual. We don't know how the other person's life is. We don't know if the poster has a loved one in another country, with spotty internet, or they live somewhere far from the bank and don't own/lease a car but they get paper checks every week.

    People who have friends already who happen to share their interests are lucky ones. My friends only share my music tastes, which is awesome, but I'm also into other stuff that I want to talk and have discussions about.

    Edit: That aside, I did want to post that I'm missing how well iOS links with Microsoft stuff. Android is pretty decent but sometimes it acts funny. Like 2 days ago, a relative called me and I saved her number through Outlook. I'm pretty sure that I remember doing this. Today, the number is not saved, and I was confused about that. When I did it on my iPhone though, the change was instant, my Android even synced at the very time I saved that contact.
    Why is this?

    Edit 2: I keep editing but if anything, thanks for making me think. I opened this thread (as usual) but I was curious what you was going to say here.
    Last edited by libra89; 07-09-2016 at 07:45 PM.
    07-09-2016 07:26 PM
  25. mark233's Avatar
    Edit: That aside, I did want to post that I'm missing how well iOS links with Microsoft stuff. Android is pretty decent but sometimes it acts funny. Like 2 days ago, a relative called me and I saved her number through Outlook. I'm pretty sure that I remember doing this. Today, the number is not saved, and I was confused about that. When I did it on my iPhone though, the change was instant, my Android even synced at the very time I saved that contact.
    Why is this?
    I wish I knew why but I agree with you. Syncing is decent on Android but seems more efficient for some things on iOS. I prefer Cortana on Android over iOS also (not that that needed to be posted because it has nothing to do with your inquiry) :-/ .
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    07-09-2016 07:45 PM
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