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  1. upsidedown's Avatar
    I think my time has come. After being with Windows from the beginning (and coming from WebOS), I am about to move to Android. I am currently on Verizon UDP, and the UDP trumps most other features for me and there is no reasonable upgrade path. I am on a Icon now, but I have intermittent GPS issues (it stops and starts navigating), and a relatively slow camera shutter; both critical features for me. I love W10M, have been an advocate, and wish there was an alternative. While I have missed certain apps, I usually find workarounds for the critical ones (ZONOS, PHONOS, HUETRO).

    Hopefully I will be back someday, but for now Samsung S7 is my next stop (because it has wireless charging!).
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    10-18-2016 02:04 PM
  2. antiochian2010's Avatar
    My experience with the 6S+ was short-lived. Camera is a major thing. Thought about the LG, but my friend who has the LG G5 says that while the camera is spectacular, the rest of the phone feels like it has aged 5 years - he's only had it for one year. That didn't sound good, but the camera is a serious item. We took the Staten Is ferry a week ago Friday. Water flat, but serious vibration from the engine. Went at dusk and shot South Manhattan. His shots were crystal clear - mine looked ok, but enlarged to 100% had some motion blur which was absent from his photos. So dug out the credit card and $1,000 later have the iPhone 7+ with 256GB and extended AppleCare.
    Gotta say, the difference in the camera shoot low light is night and day better compared to the 6S+.

    Why am I posting this here? Because I think that while iPhone has been closing the gap to PureView, I think they finally did it with the 7Plus version camera! I am getting phenomenal shots now.
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    10-18-2016 03:05 PM
  3. libra89's Avatar
    Really considering selling my 640. Not because I want to be done with Windows 10 Mobile but because it's been a hassle on Windows 10 Mobile, and for me, there's no point of owning 2 phones from any OS. One of each is plenty (again, I'm, speaking for myself and my lifestyle). I know someone will probably come out of the cracks and call me crazy for selling the 640 to keep the 550, but that's just how I feel. I know it's not worth much but still.

    For now, the 550 has been nice even though I only used it as a phone for one day out of the week I have owned it. Sometimes, I question if I would want to switch from my Honor to it but I don't know (that goes for any Windows 10 Mobile phone in general).
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    10-19-2016 07:38 AM
  4. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    Really considering selling my 640. Not because I want to be done with Windows 10 Mobile but because it's been a hassle on Windows 10 Mobile, and for me, there's no point of owning 2 phones from any OS. One of each is plenty (again, I'm, speaking for myself and my lifestyle). I know someone will probably come out of the cracks and call me crazy for selling the 640 to keep the 550, but that's just how I feel. I know it's not worth much but still.

    For now, the 550 has been nice even though I only used it as a phone for one day out of the week I have owned it. Sometimes, I question if I would want to switch from my Honor to it but I don't know (that goes for any Windows 10 Mobile phone in general).
    What problems have you faced on W10 on the 640?
    10-19-2016 09:27 AM
  5. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Really considering selling my 640. Not because I want to be done with Windows 10 Mobile but because it's been a hassle on Windows 10 Mobile, and for me, there's no point of owning 2 phones from any OS. One of each is plenty (again, I'm, speaking for myself and my lifestyle). I know someone will probably come out of the cracks and call me crazy for selling the 640 to keep the 550, but that's just how I feel. I know it's not worth much but still.

    For now, the 550 has been nice even though I only used it as a phone for one day out of the week I have owned it. Sometimes, I question if I would want to switch from my Honor to it but I don't know (that goes for any Windows 10 Mobile phone in general).
    Sometimes the best phone for you is not the most powerful or fully featured, it's the one you feel most comfortable with :)
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    10-19-2016 09:35 AM
  6. libra89's Avatar
    What problems have you faced on W10 on the 640?
    It seems like every time I install an update, it works but something breaks. My issues have been random but one of those issues is that the lock screen clock disappears often. I can't recall other issues at the moment, but it also felt kind of laggy at times. I felt like I had to hard reset each time after having issues, and no, I never restore, I always start fresh. How many hard resets does it take to not have issues?

    I have had a 950 and now this 550. After trying both, I feel like there's a difference with native Windows 10 Mobile phones.

    Sometimes the best phone for you is not the most powerful or fully featured, it's the one you feel most comfortable with :)
    Well said, I agree with you. My favorite thing about the 550 is the size. The camera is good for the daytime. If I need nice quality low light pictures, I have my iPhone SE and my Honor 8 for that.
    10-19-2016 10:00 AM
  7. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Well, let me take the honors of being the weird one coming out of the cracks then Libra. :P But really, at the price for how much it will sell. Does it make sense to even sell it? I was half tempted to tell you to send it over to me to safe keep it for you until the regret settles in proper and you want it back. And then I just mail it back to you with a little note that says I told you so girl. :P :D ^_^

    But then, sadly, I just started counting the number of windows phones I've accrued over the past year for myself or immediate members. And that count came in at 10 or 11. All devices counting. Depending on how you count that figure. And I started doubting the health and sanity of my mind. So I'm not sure my suggestion holds much weight any longer. Sadly. *sniffs* :'( *Crying in a corner* :'( :'( :'(

    So yes, my suggestion stands, though I'm not so sure of the mental health of it anymore now Libra. :P But I would legitimately be interest in seeing user images/pictures/photos of all three phones put together. The 550/Honor 8/SE, and even the 640 with it. Since I've never seen anyone using two of those three devices in person. :) ^_^ Makes a huge difference in understanding the relative size and screen comparisons, and the ergonomics of each device. ^~^ :3

    And for a serious suggestion, I would recommend using the 550 for a little more/longer, before you decide on which device you would like to let go of. :) A little more investment in time now will help save in a little regret later. :) (^_^)

    Edit: And strangely, on that note. Both my active use WM10 devices have only seen one hard reset each. At the update to the initial 10586 builds. I've only ever done those. And my devices have both managed to fetch along just swimmingly fine. Or maybe I'm just more tolerant. Or have been luckier. I'm really not sure at this point anymore Libra. :/

    -- W
    Last edited by Werentuckl; 10-19-2016 at 11:25 AM. Reason: Typos Galore. T_T
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    10-19-2016 10:48 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Well, let me take the honors of being the weird one coming out of the cracks then Libra. :P But really, at the price for how much it will sell. Does it make sense to even sell it? I was half tempted to tell you to send it over to me to safe keep it for you until the regret settles in proper and you want it back. And then I just mail it back to you with a little not that says I told you so girl. :P :D ^_^

    But then, sadly, I just started counting the number of windows phones I've accrued over the past year for myself or immediate members. And that count came in at 10 or 11. All devices counting. Depending on how you count that figure. And I started doubting the health and sanity of my mind. So I'm not sure my suggestion holds much weight any longer. Sadly. *sniffs* :'( *Crying in a corner* :'( :'( :'(

    So yes, my suggestion stands, though I'm not so sure of the mental health of it anymore now Libra. :P But I would legitimately be interest in seeing user images/pictures/photos of all three phones put together. The 550/Honor 8/SE, and even the 640 with it. Since I've never seen anyone using two of those three devices in person. :) ^_^ Makes a hug difference in understanding the relative size and screen comparisons, and the ergonomics of each device. ^~^ :3

    And for a serious suggestion, I would recommend using the 550 for a little more/longer, before you decide on which device you would like to let go of. :) A little more investment in time now will help save in a little regret later. :) (^_^)

    Edit: And strangely, on that note. Both my active use WM10 devices have only seen one hard reset each. At the update to the initial 10586 builds. I've only ever done those. And my devices have both managed to fetch along just swimmingly fine. Or maybe I'm just more tolerant. Or have been luckier. I'm really not sure at this point anymore Libra. :/

    -- W
    You have a good point about selling it. That is what sucks. Haha @ your suggestion.

    Whoa, that's a lot. Not sure what I would do with myself having that many lol, but it sounds like it works for you....generally.

    Interesting that you mention that. I have thought of doing something like that with the Honor 8, iPhone SE and Lumia 550 together. I have put them together side by side once and the size differences look less crazy. Imo, the 550 is the perfect middle ground between those two.

    Yeah, you're right, that is a great suggestion, thanks. To be fair though, I have had the 550 before (like before my Android/iPhone journey started) and I really liked it. My only personal downfall was low light video and pictures. They are bad. So bad. Otherwise, I remember liking it a lot. In the week I have had it, the same stands. I have turned it on every day since, which isn't the case for my iPhone, which I turn on to get free apps of the day.

    On that note, having the 550 has actually made me lust less for the iPhone just for the size of it. My true lust with that was all down to the size, and now that I have another phone that size, it isn't doing it for me as much.

    You are a lucky one. The 640 has only been annoying and somewhat laggy...and to me, the camera performance went down, but I'll still use it to take a picture of the other three...in a good lighting situation.
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    10-19-2016 11:24 AM
  9. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Yup, 11 it is. From the four 640's across the family combined, the ATIV SE, the recently reacquired 521 over the summer, the 720 sitting with the rest of the collection in the drawer, the 920 and the 640XL courtesy the kindness of ScienceGuy, and the two unicorns in need of fixing that have come into my possession from earlier this month. Maybe, just maybe. One device too many.

    Well, I do only use my 640 for telephony and text mostly/primarily. Sparingly for other uses. Thus the secret of my magical week plus battery life/charges. So I'm sure I would get a lot more issues if it was my primary 'smart' device instead of my primary phone. And yes! Less lust is always good, seven sins and all. You know. Mostly. But Im personally all for more lusting. Just sayin woman. Even though you make it sound much more wrong than it should be. O_O :O

    I think we can all agree to the horrible things the WM10 camera algorithms have done to us. But really. I am very interested in seeing those comparisons now. Since you talk up the perfect middle ground. It would be really interesting to see now. :)

    -- W
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    10-19-2016 11:54 AM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    Yup, 11 it is. From the four 640's across the family combined, the ATIV SE, the recently reacquired 521 over the summer, the 720 sitting with the rest of the collection in the drawer, the 920 and the 640XL courtesy the kindness of ScienceGuy, and the two unicorns in need of fixing that have come into my possession from earlier this month. Maybe, just maybe. One device too many.

    Well, I do only use my 640 for telephony and text mostly/primarily. Sparingly for other uses. Thus the secret of my magical week plus battery life/charges. So I'm sure I would get a lot more issues if it was my primary 'smart' device instead of my primary phone. And yes! Less lust is always good, seven sins and all. You know. Mostly. But Im personally all for more lusting. Just sayin woman. Even though you make it sound much more wrong than it should be. O_O :O

    I think we can all agree to the horrible things the WM10 camera algorithms have done to us. But really. I am very interested in seeing those comparisons now. Since you talk up the perfect middle ground. It would be really interesting to see now. :)

    -- W
    Wow. To be fair, the way you spread it out, it doesn't sound as bad. I thought that you had 11 as an individual. Still a lot but not as bad.

    I recall you saying that around the forums about how you use your 640. Lol @ your other part of this comment.

    @chancooluk did a great main camera comparsion here between the 2 phones. What I mean by the middle ground is sizewise. Just that only. Specs wise, both phones blow it out of the water but I figured you meant in size anyway.
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    10-19-2016 12:32 PM
  11. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Well, six of those out of 11 are still in my active keeping, so make of it what you will - I'm sure some people would still say thats one phone too many Libra. :P

    And yes, size is exactly what I meant here. Which is exactly what made the whole conversation sound all wrong. But we're all good now. ^_^ :P I know all the specs, and cameras and all those shenanigans already. :3

    -- W
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    10-19-2016 12:53 PM
  12. Doohickie's Avatar
    Check out "Square Home 2" in the Play Store. It's got so many options that you can make it almost an exact copy of your windows phone interface. Best 4.99 I have spent in a long time.
    Thanks. I'll look into it.
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    10-19-2016 01:13 PM
  13. libra89's Avatar
    Well, six of those out of 11 are still in my active keeping, so make of it what you will - I'm sure some people would still say thats one phone too many Libra. :P

    And yes, size is exactly what I meant here. Which is exactly what made the whole conversation sound all wrong. But we're all good now. ^_^ :P I know all the specs, and cameras and all those shenanigans already. :3

    -- W
    For me, it is too many, but that's just for me. Doesn't matter what I think lol.

    I will see if I am able to share a picture sometime tonight or tomorrow, which I will probably post here, because I doubt that you are the only curious one.
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    10-19-2016 01:19 PM
  14. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Its too many for me too, honest! :P I only have two in active use. Which are my mainstays. The rest are all either my collecting, or picking up the devices for a certain use or a certain thing only. So yes, I am not completely insane. ^_^

    And yesh! Pictures!!! But you have to admit though. I am the most curious. Legit! :P

    -- W
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    10-19-2016 01:59 PM
  15. mark233's Avatar
    ...too many phones eh?
    ...and here I am yearning to try a Pixel ... am anxious for next years iPhone ... can't wait to get my 950XL tomorrow ... wish that dang Idol 4s with Windows 10 would hurry up ... wish I could collect sports cars too lol

    .... still have my Nokia 925, iPhone 6s, Moto X Pure, Lumia 950 ... and a cantankerous Sony Xperia Z3
    10-19-2016 06:05 PM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    Its too many for me too, honest! :P I only have two in active use. Which are my mainstays. The rest are all either my collecting, or picking up the devices for a certain use or a certain thing only. So yes, I am not completely insane. ^_^

    And yesh! Pictures!!! But you have to admit though. I am the most curious. Legit! :P

    -- W
    Haha okay xd

    For you and anyone else curious, my iPhone SE, Lumia 550, and Honor 8 in a line (taken by my not so liked 640) :
    phonesize.jpg

    ...too many phones eh?
    ...and here I am yearning to try a Pixel ... am anxious for next years iPhone ... can't wait to get my 950XL tomorrow ... wish that dang Idol 4s with Windows 10 would hurry up ... wish I could collect sports cars too lol

    .... still have my Nokia 925, iPhone 6s, Moto X Pure, Lumia 950 ... and a cantankerous Sony Xperia Z3
    Haha, you're good. I'm just more of a minimalist (at least it is a process anyway, but I want to have what I would use). Congrats on the 950 XL! You're not alone on the Pixel, I'm also curious. I wasn't into it originally, but the reviews and the pictures from that phone are like whoa! And then the fact that the small Pixel is also similar is nice to have. If I'm still curious, I'll take a bite next year with hopefully a flash sale with a lot off. lol.

    It looks like you're liking that 950, so I'm curious how the size of the XL would be for you.
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    10-19-2016 07:22 PM
  17. mary beth hale's Avatar
    I am an unrepentant self-professed phone junkie. Waiting on that Idol for Windows as well. Was very disappointed about the Note 7's demise. Was saving for that too. Kind of an OS agnostic.
    10-19-2016 08:35 PM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    I am an unrepentant self-professed phone junkie. Waiting on that Idol for Windows as well. Was very disappointed about the Note 7's demise. Was saving for that too. Kind of an OS agnostic.
    It's interesting that you mention about being kind of OS agnostic because I feel similarly. If someone told me last year that I would be this way, I would have probably laughed at them. Hopping between the three OSes has made really appreciate the positives of each OS.

    Hopefully no one will come out with the pitchforks because of my next statement but here goes. I LOVE that Microsoft has their services on every platform and that they work decently well. (Outlook on iOS > Outlook on Android. Ugh!) It makes my life a lot easier. It's nice to know that whatever device I pick up, my contacts can remain on all of them, and whatever photos I take will upload to OneDrive. (Even though I'm currently that person who has text messages all over my phones and my switching interrupts things with a certain person )
    10-19-2016 10:08 PM
  19. dgr_874's Avatar
    It's interesting that you mention about being kind of OS agnostic because I feel similarly. If someone told me last year that I would be this way, I would have probably laughed at them. Hopping between the three OSes has made really appreciate the positives of each OS.

    Hopefully no one will come out with the pitchforks because of my next statement but here goes. I LOVE that Microsoft has their services on every platform and that they work decently well. (Outlook on iOS > Outlook on Android. Ugh!) It makes my life a lot easier. It's nice to know that whatever device I pick up, my contacts can remain on all of them, and whatever photos I take will upload to OneDrive. (Even though I'm currently that person who has text messages all over my phones and my switching interrupts things with a certain person )
    I feel exactly the same way too. I make it a point to only invest in things that are cross platform. Microsoft's apps certainly fit the bill on all three platforms. It's a great time saver to know that whatever phone I pop my simcard in for the day, I won't be missing any email, files, music, or videos.
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    10-20-2016 09:57 AM
  20. Rinsun's Avatar
    I needed a 4G phone so I decided to try out Android as the Lumia phones will not be produced any more and I am not sure about how much after sales service will be available in India now for Windows mobiles.I bought a Moto G4 Plus (3GB) and I am liking the experience ,though I am missing the start screen and live tiles very much.I am using MS apps on my Android ,including Cortana Preview.(Cortana is not available in my country on Android).I am also missing the week view in Outlook Calendar from W10M. Notifications from my Moto G4 Plus are syncing nicely with my laptop on W10 and photos are getting uploaded to OneDrive.I have my 535DS with my secondary sim in it and I use it too.
    10-20-2016 02:08 PM
  21. Joe920's Avatar
    For those switching and interested in joining Google Project Fi, they have dropped the pricing on the Nexus 6P. The 32 GB model is now $400 since the release of the Pixel XL, same as the current Lumia 950XL pricing.

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    10-21-2016 07:53 AM
  22. Woodchuck3400's Avatar
    I've been with Windows Phone a long time. 800=>900=>1020=>830=>950. I absolutely love Windows Phone. But he 950 has pushed me over the edge. Actually, I don't think its even the phones fault. Its just Windows 10 Mobile.

    In August, my phone started buzzing, loudly, when I put it on a wireless charging pad. Several trips to ATT store with a very good tech (wow, surprise) showed that it was simply the wrong adapter (needed more amps) with the wrong stand. Although, this wasnt a problem for other phones like a Galaxy S7.

    2 weeks later and my phone started restarting. Randomly. For no reason. AT&T actually swapped it out for a new (reconditioned) phone. Ok, still sticking with it. Slowly started to reload apps. Working great. Smoother then it was before. Then I reloaded my music and my SD card. Then it started randomly restarting again! Turns out it was the SD card. Stopped using an SD card and I was happy again

    About 2 weeks later, I started getting annoyed by that texting delay thing. You know, where you hit send on a text and it just hangs with a greyed out send button. A big annoyance, but I'll live with it. Last Saturday night, my girlfriend asked me to snap a picture of a menu and send it to her son. She couldnt get enough bars and I was all cocky because my phone was working fine. Snapped the pic with that beautiful camera, looked good, started processing the pic, and the phone just shut off. Booted up, tried it again and again it just shut off.

    Sunday I went to Best Buy and bought a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge off contract.

    I miss my Windows Phone. I relied on Cortana. The Glance screen was awesome. I loved that user interface and Live Tiles. I loved being able to see if a new email was spam or something I needed to read right away. Same thing with the previews of the text on the Message tile.

    But heres the thing, everything works now. If I get a call in the car, the music turns back on when I hang up. When I hit send on a text, it sends. I can actually use Samsung Pay (couldnt get MS Wallet to work either). I no longer have to copy and paste from that crappy LastPass app to log into websites, it just uses your fingerprint in Android (and yes, the fingerprint reader is better than the retinal scan)

    This is what really P!$$#$ me off but its trueTHE MICROSOFT APPS REALLY ARE BETTER ON ANDROID (Except Cortana, but its not her fault).

    Im not getting into the whole app thing. Never needed them, still really dont. Makes things a lot easier.

    Before writing this, I read Paul Thurotts article where he says hes not even bothering to review the HP Elite X3 because he doesnt want you to buy it and get stuck with an expensive phone without an ecosystem.

    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/wind...tumble-october

    I kind of teared up when I read that.

    The only thing I have to decide is whether or not to pay the $200 to get off my contract with ATT for the 950 and turn it back in or pay $350 to keep it. I cant bring myself to turn it in yet. Its sitting here on my desk. I still have hope.
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    10-21-2016 11:18 AM
  23. mgd 57's Avatar
    I agree with you woodchuck, I also went out and bought a galaxy edge plus, (I like the big screen) as I was so fed up with the instabilities of windows 10, for a short time I was in the insider program just to see what was happening, just out of sheer curiosity but soon left and went back to production, nobody could convince me otherwise, but this is total shoddy rushed work. I have both 1520 and 950xl and use the 1520 daily as my work involves a lot of travel and a good camera is essential as are word, excel, and office for what I do as a troubleshooter for a national accountancy company.
    Too many times recently the camera failed, so it also was another reason why I decided enough is enough. I could rant on here for pages on the downside of Windows 10 mobile, but, I still really like the concept.
    When I set up the s7 edge I found it most impressive, one of the first things I did was take an 'awkward photo' and then printed it out, the results were astounding, I found it hard to believe that anything could be much better than Nokia, it's all very well doing tests on screen, the truth is in the printouts.
    Anyway, I missed the screen contents of windows to be honest, so looked for a windows 10 launcher in the store, there's one called 'square home', it's absolute genius, the customisation is endless, live tiles etc etc, then looked for all things Microsoft, and trust me, everything including glance screen is there, but what really raised my eyebrows was how well every one of their apps work and I'm still trying to get my head round why they can't do the same in their own platform!! Not having overly studied it all but I think it's safe to say they have more there than here, all totally stable and work as they should. Unbelievable!!
    Anyways, I'm starting to rant, I stumbled on your post and thought I'd write back. Look for square home, plus the key, play with it for a while, it's very comprehensive and every single tiles is fully customizable so it takes time to get it the way you want, then add a glance screen and you'll never know it's android!!
    10-22-2016 04:48 AM
  24. libra89's Avatar
    Whoa I just read a shootout between the Galaxy S7 edge and the Pixel XL on Android Central...and the Pixel is a heck of a shooter. Better than I actually thought it would be. Not helping my curiosity.

    Edit: So seeing all of this Pixel goodness has me feeling a strong sense of wanting to use a smaller phone again (the Honor 8 is the biggest I would go). I think the combo of the regular sized Pixel is like no other.
    Last edited by libra89; 10-23-2016 at 09:16 PM.
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    10-22-2016 08:18 PM
  25. libra89's Avatar
    That moment when you are trying to switch your sim to another phone but your sibling keeps sending MMS messages. Only I really have these problems
    10-23-2016 09:16 PM
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