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  1. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    07-31-2013 09:33 AM
  2. gab1972's Avatar
    Read it fully

    Here's are some reasons :

    1.Integrated Facebook Doesn't work properly (check-in occasionally doesn't work , Facebook chat couldn't connect at times and sent messages sometimes not received by others).

    2."Other Storage" issue is still not fixed properly , Nokia cleaning app or shrink storage app only help to solve the problem to some extent.

    3.Notifications : Main issue I face is , Buggy notifications especially toast notifications.Lets say that I am doing something on my device and a toast notification came out , I press that and I go straight to the app but when I come back to the homescreen , I still see "1" or some number on that app.It shows as if there is 1 notification which need to be seen.
    Lot of apps behave this way.and Lastly If an app is not pinned to start , there is no way to know if there is notification for that.

    4.Apps and Games : Some would be saying "This client is better than the first party app" , Yes I agree. Some clients are more beautifully designed than original apps and also work well.
    But here are two issues : Clients get new features much later than original apps and second is you must pay for some (example : Official Youtube on iOS and Android are free while Metrotube is Paid)

    But I am fine with clients but still there is a need for official apps like Pulse , Flipboard (coming soon) etc. Some are arriving but still there are lot of apps which need to come.

    Late Updates : Lot of games/apps get new features much later on WP. I play simple games like cut the rope , subway surfers , ski safari , pudding monsters etc.Cut the rope got updated on iOS for new levels while WP8 version still in old version.Instagram Video feature also came out much later because client's dev needed time to update the app.

    Too late arrival : Cut rope time travel still hasn't arrived WP8 yet. Pudding Monsters also haven't arrived on WP yet.

    Poorly Optimized Apps : For example , WP8 Asphalt 7 graphics are a joke , Many effects are missing. It looks like "high graphics" instead of being "Ultra Graphics" (Not a fan of these kinds of games but couldn't stop noticing it)

    5.Store Updates are not at all notified , Even with medium size "store tile" on homescreen . Store tile gets updated in batches (for example , it suddenly shows 14 app updates , while no updates are shown 1 hour ago)

    6.Network Bug : I switch from 2G to 3G and network won't switch at all and remains on "E" . Sometimes when I switch to 3G , it immediately shows "H+" while some other times it doesn't......
    To solve this , I have to reboot the device.

    7."Chat App" Bugs : On 3G , Occasionally I don't receive any updates even when I am inside the app , It says "connecting" but never connects.While on Wifi , connection is instantly connected.

    8.FM Radio : OK , Coming in GDR2

    9.No Equalizer on Bluetooth Streaming : WTF MS/Nokia ? Why can't I use Equalizer on Bluetooth streaming , Only possible via earphones.

    10.Lock Orientation

    11.--Terrible Music Player : Can't display Lyrics , Sometimes Music Duplicates , No Scrubbing and Unified Media Controls w/ Ring Volume...
    ---Terrible Video Player : Can't choose between Multiple Audio Streams in a Video , Doesn't display Subtitles (Tried purchased iTunes movies from my library and even pirated ones etc.) and terrible thing is "Capacitive Keys" glow in full brightness when Video is playing during night/dark places while in Day-time capacitive keys are turned off when playing video (this is probably the most "basic" thing of all)....
    --Photos App : No Slideshow option , Photos stored in very Low resolution.

    12.Cannot attach Multiple docs on a Mail. Cannot forward the Mail w/ attachements until all attachments are fully downloaded. All Received Mails never download pictures or anything.I must go into Mail and then "download full content" to view "Entire Mail".

    I waited till now because I was under the impression that "next update" (which turned out to be GDR2) will solve most of the issues but it didn't , it turned out to be a small update.

    I will not say that other platforms are perfect or better but Android/iOS platforms got most of the "basics" rightly implemented while WP concept/design is superb but implementation is terrible.
    This is probably the first time I am going to sell a device within 6 months of usage.I used many devices for a minimum time of 4-5 years actively and some of them are working nice even now.

    Thanks for all being so supportive here.

    If there are any suggestions , Please do give them.

    I am thinking of getting HTC One or Galaxy S4 from my current Lumia 820
    Please forgive the forthcoming sarcasm, but here's the best suggestion anyone is going to give you on this or any other forum. Please, take this suggestion and use it wisely, and by all means, pay it forward! If you haven't seen the movie, Pay It Forward means to give someone else the kindness you just received.

    Are you ready for it?

    Do. Your. Research!

    Did you seriously just go into a store and buy the first Windows Phone you saw? Did you not check CNet or YouTube or this site or...I don't know...Google it? Did you not go into the store and actually look at the phone or ask questions?

    This gets me every time. The ones who complain the loudest about WP8 fall into two categories: those who have religiously stuck with WP since inception [they have every right to b!tch about things], and those who saw a commercial and went out and bought a WP without any real research [you have *zero* right to b!tch]. For the latter, before you say you did your due diligence in researching the WP you're about ready to ditch...did you really? Because if you did, you'd have known EXACTLY what you were getting into. The only thing you *might* be able to complain about is that you thought the update that was promised in June would be here. But even that's a stretch. Do you think that the very day that KeyLime Pie hits the Googlesphere that your shiny new Android phone is going to get it? Nope. First Google will have to release it. Then Samsung/Motorola/HTC will have to get their hands on it and put their flavor on it (TouchWhiz, whatever Motorola has, or Sense). Then do you think you'll get it? Nope. Next Verizon or AT&T, or whoever will have to get it and put their crapware on it and then make you sweat a while in hopes you'll get bored of waiting and decide to get the LATEST phone (which is now only several months newer than yours). After all of that...then you can hope for a release date. Once you have that release date...go ahead and add another 4 to 6 months on that. It's like that for each OS. Do you *REALLY* think iOS7 is going to drop for everyone by October? Really? Do you?

    So there you have it. The best advice you're going to receive on this forum. Did you miss it? Let me give it to you again...

    Do your research and know what you're getting into *BEFORE* you buy it. That way you don't look like a D-bag when you complain.
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    07-31-2013 10:25 AM
  3. ADWtech's Avatar
    My 900 contract ends in early November. Will I get a 1020? Absolutely not. Why? Because when the 920 was released, my 900 was suddenly dated and irrelevant. I along with all other 900 owners had major 920 envy & a growing resentment against Microsoft for this pre-meditative shafting.

    Although Microsoft has vowed not to do this again to consumers, I still don't want to purchase a 1020 & see a next generation Nokia/Windows phone hit the market w/ a much faster processor, making my phone feel once again inferior. It will depress me. The whole 'fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me' thing.

    Another thing... as a hardcore evernote user, I've never experienced more lag in an app. It's borderline frustrating to use because of the loading time.

    I'll either ride hard w/ my 900 till the next generation 920 is released or get the next iPhone to experience a new OS. Yes, this is on me... but I happen to hold a grudge against Microsoft for making my 900 seem like mincemeat for 13 months. Simply tired of waiting. I think developers are inherently wired to hate Microsoft. Tough facts of life. Until this plays out however, I'm enjoying a game called 'I Am Box' to no end. It's a simple and genius game and I'm surprised it's not more popular.
    07-31-2013 06:41 PM
  4. OzRob's Avatar
    So there you have it. The best advice you're going to receive on this forum. Did you miss it? Let me give it to you again...

    Do your research and know what you're getting into *BEFORE* you buy it. That way you don't look like a D-bag when you complain.
    It's almost impossible to find out all you need to know about something as complicated as a smart phone by simply 'googling' or reading forums like this. The problem is not that the information isn't there, it's that you really don't know what problems and shortcomings you'll face and, therefore, don't know what to search for. Before I bought a Windows Phone I DID do a lot of research, including through those avenues you recommended in you post. But this simply didn't forewarn my about the issues I'd personally face in day-to-day use.

    For example, there is no way to turn off the sound the phone makes when you plug it in to charge bar putting the whole phone on silent mode. This is a real PIA for me as I use my phone as an alarm clock and when I plug it in at night it wakes my wife (who often works shifts, so is often in bed earlier than I) if I forget to put the phone on silent. Now this is something that I didn't come across in reviews of the phone, nor was it mentioned (and why would it be) when I asked questions about the capabilities of WP on forums like these.

    Even the lack of separate volume control for media and ringtone is not something that is obvious to someone who isn't aware of the problem in the first place. Even though I'd browsed through some forum threads, they tended to be ones where the title looked interesting or relevant to me. I wasn't 'searching' for info on separate volume controls because I never would have considered that WP didn't allow this. Equally it's not something you find out about when you play with a phone in a shop because you typically don't plug in headphones and listen to music or videos in this sort of environment. And even if you did, you probably wouldn't notice that the headphone volume couldn't be set discretely from the ringer. You'd make the assumption that the feature's there somewhere, you just don't know the system well enough to find it.

    I'm sure a lot of people posting in this thread did do quite a bit of research before they purchased a Windows Phone. But even those that didn't are entitled to expect that WP would have what most people would consider fairly 'basic' features that a 'smart' phone operating system today should have. The fact is that it does lack some really basic capabilities, and this does more often than not come as a surprise to even those who have done their research. Most people are time-poor, so there's very few phone buyers who have the time to immerse themselves in the Windows Phone 'community' and learn all the pros and cons of an unfamiliar operating system before we buy. Typically we read a bunch of expert reviews (which never mention any of these 'gotchas' 'cause they're usually pretty superficial and focus on specs and performance), a few user reviews (which are a real mixed bag where it's hard to sort out the useful info from the ignorant speculation), and browse through a few forum threads (which can be hit and miss and tainted by the knowledge that most people posting are the minority that have problems so the overall message is biased). We mostly simply don't have time to try to find out if the basic things that we expect will be there are there.

    So my advice to you (in case you missed it in the subtext) is to be a little more tolerant of people's b!tching, particularly given the title of this thread, lest you be labeled a D-bag yourself.
    07-31-2013 07:10 PM
  5. B1zzle's Avatar
    Even the lack of separate volume control for media and ringtone is not something that is obvious to someone who isn't aware of the problem in the first place. Even though I'd browsed through some forum threads, they tended to be ones where the title looked interesting or relevant to me. I wasn't 'searching' for info on separate volume controls because I never would have considered that WP didn't allow this. Equally it's not something you find out about when you play with a phone in a shop because you typically don't plug in headphones and listen to music or videos in this sort of environment. And even if you did, you probably wouldn't notice that the headphone volume couldn't be set discretely from the ringer. You'd make the assumption that the feature's there somewhere, you just don't know the system well enough to find it.
    I just found this out for myself today in Starbucks; I was like hmm I'll turn the ringer down in case a call comes, didn't want to mute because of texts----then my music went down in volume---i laughed

    I am using my first WP, the new 1020, leaving galaxy land behind.

    So far I like it.
    Each OS will have its quirks, no way around this; it is a fact of life; there will be no perfection.

    Overall I really enjoy Windows Phone; the layout is very unique and completely new, not just a rehash of desktop computing models of folders and files and apps.
    Windows has truly made a GUI that is different; and Nokia has made a phone that is not a phone, but is a camera.
    Pair this new tech with WP8 and one has quite the gadget that pushes boundaries in regards to phone tech. Whilst more processors and cores are added to plasticsung and pixels to fruitPhone, these additions don't do too much to increase the experience we have with our devices. Pretty much any phone today can handle our present tech needs. The only thing remaining was pictures.
    So great pictures + a great OS has made me very happy.
    Sure i was a little miffed when I found out about the volume thing, and I am sure some more things will pop up since I am on my 7th day with windows phone.

    But i highly doubt it will be anything that makes me hate the phone & OS (unless it is battery consumption.)

    So in the end, I do not understand why people b***ch so much when whichever OS they use can do the same sh** as everyone else's (cept photos). My iPad collects dust, the 80 or so apps on it never get used. The core functions are covered no matter if you use windows, iOs, or android.....so people need to come to terms that their d*ck isn't bigger than anyone else's and realize the only thing left are megapixels, sensors, and apertures. Until the other main companies jump on this bandwagon Nokia gets to keep using the Magnum condoms for a while...............


    - bizz

    Oh and I totally read the title of this thread as all those switching to WP. Sorry.
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    07-31-2013 08:36 PM
  6. kamikaze80's Avatar
    My 900 contract ends in early November. Will I get a 1020? Absolutely not. Why? Because when the 920 was released, my 900 was suddenly dated and irrelevant. I along with all other 900 owners had major 920 envy & a growing resentment against Microsoft for this pre-meditative shafting.

    Although Microsoft has vowed not to do this again to consumers, I still don't want to purchase a 1020 & see a next generation Nokia/Windows phone hit the market w/ a much faster processor, making my phone feel once again inferior. It will depress me. The whole 'fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me' thing.
    lol while everyone else is complaining that MS isnt innovating quickly enough, you're leaving the platform because they are innovating too quickly and making your purchases obsolete??

    ok....
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    07-31-2013 08:50 PM
  7. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    Please forgive the forthcoming sarcasm, but here's the best suggestion anyone is going to give you on this or any other forum. Please, take this suggestion and use it wisely, and by all means, pay it forward! If you haven't seen the movie, Pay It Forward means to give someone else the kindness you just received.

    Are you ready for it?

    Do. Your. Research!

    Did you seriously just go into a store and buy the first Windows Phone you saw? Did you not check CNet or YouTube or this site or...I don't know...Google it? Did you not go into the store and actually look at the phone or ask questions?

    This gets me every time. The ones who complain the loudest about WP8 fall into two categories: those who have religiously stuck with WP since inception [they have every right to b!tch about things], and those who saw a commercial and went out and bought a WP without any real research [you have *zero* right to b!tch]. For the latter, before you say you did your due diligence in researching the WP you're about ready to ditch...did you really? Because if you did, you'd have known EXACTLY what you were getting into. The only thing you *might* be able to complain about is that you thought the update that was promised in June would be here. But even that's a stretch. Do you think that the very day that KeyLime Pie hits the Googlesphere that your shiny new Android phone is going to get it? Nope. First Google will have to release it. Then Samsung/Motorola/HTC will have to get their hands on it and put their flavor on it (TouchWhiz, whatever Motorola has, or Sense). Then do you think you'll get it? Nope. Next Verizon or AT&T, or whoever will have to get it and put their crapware on it and then make you sweat a while in hopes you'll get bored of waiting and decide to get the LATEST phone (which is now only several months newer than yours). After all of that...then you can hope for a release date. Once you have that release date...go ahead and add another 4 to 6 months on that. It's like that for each OS. Do you *REALLY* think iOS7 is going to drop for everyone by October? Really? Do you?

    So there you have it. The best advice you're going to receive on this forum. Did you miss it? Let me give it to you again...

    Do your research and know what you're getting into *BEFORE* you buy it. That way you don't look like a D-bag when you complain.
    How are people supposed to detect "Other Storage" ? How come anyone thinks integrated FB fails ? How about Missing or Buggy Notification system ? None of them can be detected unless you use the device for a month or two.

    3 years back , I bought an iPod Touch and I never even ran into forums for help , everything worked so nice as if nothing is wrong and even today never faced a single issue except once where I wanted to know how to put location based reminders just to see how they worked.

    Bought an iPad last year , Never went to forums asking for help , I did visit forums but only for discussions or seeing what's going on in the community.

    In WP ? I visited forums to solve issues atleast once in a week , remaining times I just follow news/discussion but like I said , Every week I run to forums to resolve this or that.

    Theverge gave 9.3 score for the iPad and I was like "wtf ? that's ridiculous" , while for surface below 8 I think (lot of websites same thing) and after using WP , I now understood why reviewers give high ratings for Android or iOS in general.

    I like WP concept and Ideas but Implementation is terrible.

    Integrated FB on iOS 6 works super fine , never ran into troubles.On WP8 ? So many troubles and issues.It doesn't work at unpredictable times.

    Even the most advertised features never worked nicely.

    EDIT :

    In verge , one of the commentators gave excellent comment :

    does not own WP device – If you owned one you’d know it’s actually quite nice, way better than iOS/Android! You can’t say anything if you don’t own one.

    does own WP device – You should have known. Don’t’ worry wait for next update. Stop whining.
    Last edited by Sanjay Chandra; 08-01-2013 at 02:27 AM.
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    07-31-2013 11:44 PM
  8. broar94's Avatar
    I totally agree with Sanjay Chandra. The fact that I've installed wpcentral app and visiting forums just to see if there are new updates or how to resolve issues on wp or to know forthcoming wp system launches.
    Then i also drown myself lol reading other peoples opinion on how wp needs improvement. There are plenty of threads on that, and mostly those threads appear to be on top lol..
    If i was on android or ios i wouldn't have to be reading any of the threads because everything is already working on respective platform.
    Ms needs to take wp seriously if they want to grow beyond 3% market share. Its quite ok for a basic os, but very buggy(wp8), needs alot more features to compete against android, ios, nokia is making good hw, but software seems to be a huge let down for some folks after they decide to try out wp8 like myself, etc. I don't need to mention the missing or minor useful features as there are 100s of threads here.
    Last edited by broar94; 08-01-2013 at 06:06 AM.
    08-01-2013 01:18 AM
  9. phasar's Avatar
    Microsoft and Nokia are two dinosaurs facing extinction in the smartphone market. Nokia may still be viable, but in Microsoft's case the sooner the better!
    08-01-2013 06:22 AM
  10. sdc1's Avatar
    Microsoft and Nokia are two dinosaurs facing extinction in the smartphone market. Nokia may still be viable, but in Microsoft's case the sooner the better!
    That's quite a statement.
    08-01-2013 06:24 AM
  11. gab1972's Avatar
    It's almost impossible to find out all you need to know about something as complicated as a smart phone by simply 'googling' or reading forums like this...

    For example, there is no way to turn off the sound the phone makes when you plug it in to charge bar putting the whole phone on silent mode...

    Even the lack of separate volume control for media and ringtone is not something that is obvious to someone who isn't aware of the problem in the first place...

    I'm sure a lot of people posting in this thread did do quite a bit of research before they purchased a Windows Phone. But even those that didn't are entitled to expect that WP would have what most people would consider fairly 'basic' features that a 'smart' phone operating system today should have...

    So my advice to you (in case you missed it in the subtext) is to be a little more tolerant of people's b!tching, particularly given the title of this thread, lest you be labeled a D-bag yourself.
    So because you can't remember to turn the phone on silent or didn't check first to see if this feature was there and because there is no separate volume control for media/phone - this means WP8 is crappy enough to leave it? That's the whole gist of this forum...either you love it and keep it, or you hate it and can't wait to get rid of it. But volume control is something that is a deal breaker? And in all fairness, the iPhone didn't have this feature until iOS 6 of last year. So I wonder how many people said they'd ditch the iPhone because it didn't have Do Not Disturb - which, you know, should have been a "basic feature" of all smart phones. I mean, if iOS doesn't have, does that mean it shouldn't be considered basic? And pull-down notifications. Android was the ONLY major OS which had this. It sure didn't stop people from shoving their money down Apple's throat for a new iPhone. Again, it all comes down to app envy.

    And I *did* do all of my homework. Because WP is not the same as Apple or Android, I knew there'd be a lot of short comings. I browsed this site for a good few weeks reading what other people complained about. In fact, I knew it didn't have separate volume controls within a few minutes utilizing the search box at the top of this window. Is everyone as diligent as you or me to do suitable research - no. But I've bought enough phones in my time that I know what I'm looking for. You know you're going to be stuck in a two-year contract unless you have excess cash to throw around. So it only makes sense that the phone you're going to be stuck with for the next few years meets your needs. You knew Android and iOS have separate volume controls and other things like pulldown notifications, global phone search, playlist management, etc...why wouldn't you check first if WP had the same functions? And really, how much of those are deal breakers?

    App/function envy, dude. That's all this is.

    Are you right? Of course. Should WP have these "basic" functions? Yes. Hell yes. But dang dude, if you *really* went in and messed with this phone, you'd have known quickly it didn't have certain things. And if those missing features are that important to you, you'd have looked for those first. Obviously, something about this phone drew you to it. So either you didn't bother to check out the volume and it wasn't *that* important as you claim, or you saw something else that made you look passed it's flaws and now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
    08-01-2013 06:51 AM
  12. gab1972's Avatar
    How are people supposed to detect "Other Storage" ? How come anyone thinks integrated FB fails ? How about Missing or Buggy Notification system ? None of them can be detected unless you use the device for a month or two.

    3 years back , I bought an iPod Touch and I never even ran into forums for help , everything worked so nice as if nothing is wrong and even today never faced a single issue except once where I wanted to know how to put location based reminders just to see how they worked.

    Bought an iPad last year , Never went to forums asking for help , I did visit forums but only for discussions or seeing what's going on in the community.

    In WP ? I visited forums to solve issues atleast once in a week , remaining times I just follow news/discussion but like I said , Every week I run to forums to resolve this or that.

    Theverge gave 9.3 score for the iPad and I was like "wtf ? that's ridiculous" , while for surface below 8 I think (lot of websites same thing) and after using WP , I now understood why reviewers give high ratings for Android or iOS in general.

    I like WP concept and Ideas but Implementation is terrible.

    Integrated FB on iOS 6 works super fine , never ran into troubles.On WP8 ? So many troubles and issues.It doesn't work at unpredictable times.

    Even the most advertised features never worked nicely.

    EDIT :

    In verge , one of the commentators gave excellent comment :

    does not own WP device – If you owned one you’d know it’s actually quite nice, way better than iOS/Android! You can’t say anything if you don’t own one.

    does own WP device – You should have known. Don’t’ worry wait for next update. Stop whining.
    Honestly, I agree with you on all points. Those are things that you can't detect. And for those things, if they're important to you, I can see why people would complain. I actually knew about the "other" storage problem before I bought it because I read about it here first. But I suppose I can see where some would not have looked at that. I also knew that FB was having some problems with getting notifications. For me, this wasn't a deal breaker. But again, I can see where if FB is important (or just merely for convenience) this would be frustrating. So really, I can't argue your points.

    However, besides the "other" storage problems, again I have to ask...is a crappy FB experience (which, if you've owned an iPhone, it suffers the same plague) a reason to call WP a failure enough to make you want to ditch it? And what do you mean a buggy notification system? I seriously must be missing something because (besides FB notifications) I always get my sms/mms, email, work email, etc notifications on time.
    08-01-2013 06:59 AM
  13. tungha's Avatar
    Are you right? Of course. Should WP have these "basic" functions? Yes. Hell yes. But dang dude, if you *really* went in and messed with this phone, you'd have known quickly it didn't have certain things. And if those missing features are that important to you, you'd have looked for those first. Obviously, something about this phone drew you to it. So either you didn't bother to check out the volume and it wasn't *that* important as you claim, or you saw something else that made you look passed it's flaws and now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
    if everyone follow what you said then I think not so many people will pick a Windows Phone device, really!
    08-01-2013 07:01 AM
  14. gab1972's Avatar
    I totally agree with Sanjay Chandra. The fact that I've installed wpcentral app and visiting forums just to see if there are new updates or how to resolve issues on wp or to know forthcoming wp system launches.
    Then i also drown myself lol reading other peoples opinion on how wp needs improvement. There are plenty of threads on that, and mostly those threads appear to be on top lol..
    If i was on android or ios i wouldn't have to be reading any of the threads because everything is already working on respective platform.
    Ms needs to take wp seriously if they want to grow beyond 3% market share. Its quite ok for a basic os, but very buggy(wp8), needs alot more features to compete against android, ios, nokia is making good hw, but software seems to be a huge let down for some folks after they decide to try out wp8 like myself, etc. I don't need to mention the missing or minor useful features as there are 100s of threads here.
    And yet you still bought one...

    You just proved my point. "There are plenty of threads on that, and mostly those threads appear to be on top lol.."

    You can't tell me that if you decided to buy a Samsung Galaxy S4 or Note II or HTC One or even (God forbid) an iPhone 5 or 4S that you wouldn't look it up first. Doing a Google search will give you lots of information. And on forums, people tend to express when things aren't working right - just look at this site. So if you did a quick search for "iPhone 5 reviews", "Samsung Galaxy S4 reviews", "Samsung Note II forums", etc. within minutes you'd know a lot about that phone. And it's not like you have to find some secret passage forum or something buried deep within a post. Just go to the Nokia Lumia 928 forum on this site and browse the headings and you can get a good idea of what's going on with the phone. THAT's what I'm talking about. And on just about every Lumia forum there are headings regarding the "other" storage problem.
    08-01-2013 07:08 AM
  15. gab1972's Avatar
    if everyone follow what you said then I think not so many people will pick a Windows Phone device, really!
    You could very well be right. I fall into that "not so many people" category. I knew about the "other" storage problem, FB notification problem, volume control problem, etc. and yet I still bought one because the pros outweighed the cons for me. Again...for me.

    I will say this though, I agree with every one of you in the fact that you shouldn't *have* to do such extensive research when purchasing something so expensive. But, unfortunately, if that were not the case, CNet and other gadget review forums wouldn't exist.
    08-01-2013 07:12 AM
  16. munchk's Avatar
    From iPhone 5 to Lumia 925... Coming from a mature platform like iOS I think I expected certain things, which was slightly unfair given the age of WP8. Sound profiles is one of those for instance.

    I *really* want to like this and want to switch fully from the iPhone to WP8. My Google reliance is making the process hard. Email, contacts and calendar etc. I am persevering though!

    One disappointment was the scratches the screen has picked up. No idea where from, I have take care of this thing like its an egg. Bit disappointed on that front.

    Definite highlights, other that the customisation and smooth OS, are the camera and the music player. Not as fully featured, but generally speaking MP3 playback sounds amazing.
    08-01-2013 07:14 AM
  17. tungha's Avatar
    You could very well be right. I fall into that "not so many people" category. I knew about the "other" storage problem, FB notification problem, volume control problem, etc. and yet I still bought one because the pros outweighed the cons for me. Again...for me.

    I will say this though, I agree with every one of you in the fact that you shouldn't *have* to do such extensive research when purchasing something so expensive. But, unfortunately, if that were not the case, CNet and other gadget review forums wouldn't exist.
    hmmm i get the point, i'm also like you and after more than 2 years, moving from wp7 to wp8 and keep my hope for the OS, now i'm totally tired of the promising, planning,...The worst thing now is that Microsoft still cannot give me (and others) anything to keep us be happy with the OS
    08-01-2013 07:17 AM
  18. gab1972's Avatar
    hmmm i get the point, i'm also like you and after more than 2 years, moving from wp7 to wp8 and keep my hope for the OS, now i'm totally tired of the promising, planning,...The worst thing now is that Microsoft still cannot give me (and others) anything to keep us be happy with the OS
    And to me, you have every right to complain. You've been with the OS and know about just about every short coming and are frustrated.

    I honestly can't say that I'm 100% happy coming from my Galaxy Nexus because of things I was used to. However, there are some things I like better about WP. I miss the pull-down notifications, but I'm loving the live tiles. Volume controls were nice, but really, I barely used it. Full volume. Silent. Really, those were the only two that I used. However, sound profiles would be nice. FB notifications worked fine on Android and iOS - but for me, I didn't get upset if I didn't know the exact moment when something happened. Although, the FB chat problem with the People Hub is quite annoying when you're trying to carry a conversation.

    And while I did know already that everyone has been waiting for an update - this wasn't a surprise to me. I bought Verizon's firs flagship 4G/LTE phone...the HTC Thunderbolt. It was supposed to be the latest and greatest of Android and Verizon. I bought it the day it came out. But here's what you need to know about Android - fragmentation. Less than 4 months after the Thunderbolt, the Galaxy Nexus came out. And now, the HTC, Verizon's flagship LTE phone, was left out in the cold. It was announced that it *might* see the next iteration of Android. After a year a few months, it got one update. After that, no more support from Verizon. So then I get the Galaxy Nexus. Same problem. The only thing that saved me was rooting it. And now, even with root, the Galaxy Nexus likely will not see anything passed Jelly Bean.

    So, if you're looking at jumping ship and going to Android, my advice to anyone would be to get a straight Google phone...from Google. You stand a better chance of those getting upgraded. Because, as we all know, once your phone doesn't have something someone else's phone has, you're going to complain.
    tungha likes this.
    08-01-2013 07:29 AM
  19. thecaringkind's Avatar
    I've had phones and devices from all three, Google/Android, Apple & WP8, now have a Surface RT. In every case I enjoyed certain features on some didn't like some with others and all were buggy, some more than others.

    In every case, I always came back to Windows. The aesthetics are impossible for me to ignore. WP8 is clean, fluid, fast & EASY. I love simplicity and WP8 has me covered. I like many aspects of Android and they do have premium hardware as does Apple, however it all comes down to preference to me. I am well versed in what each system can offer and ultimately I choose WP8/Metro. It simply does what I need it to do and gets a little better everyday. That works for me.
    08-01-2013 07:31 AM
  20. tungha's Avatar
    And to me, you have every right to complain. You've been with the OS and know about just about every short coming and are frustrated.

    I honestly can't say that I'm 100% happy coming from my Galaxy Nexus because of things I was used to. However, there are some things I like better about WP. I miss the pull-down notifications, but I'm loving the live tiles. Volume controls were nice, but really, I barely used it. Full volume. Silent. Really, those were the only two that I used. However, sound profiles would be nice. FB notifications worked fine on Android and iOS - but for me, I didn't get upset if I didn't know the exact moment when something happened. Although, the FB chat problem with the People Hub is quite annoying when you're trying to carry a conversation.

    And while I did know already that everyone has been waiting for an update - this wasn't a surprise to me. I bought Verizon's firs flagship 4G/LTE phone...the HTC Thunderbolt. It was supposed to be the latest and greatest of Android and Verizon. I bought it the day it came out. But here's what you need to know about Android - fragmentation. Less than 4 months after the Thunderbolt, the Galaxy Nexus came out. And now, the HTC, Verizon's flagship LTE phone, was left out in the cold. It was announced that it *might* see the next iteration of Android. After a year a few months, it got one update. After that, no more support from Verizon. So then I get the Galaxy Nexus. Same problem. The only thing that saved me was rooting it. And now, even with root, the Galaxy Nexus likely will not see anything passed Jelly Bean.

    So, if you're looking at jumping ship and going to Android, my advice to anyone would be to get a straight Google phone...from Google. You stand a better chance of those getting upgraded. Because, as we all know, once your phone doesn't have something someone else's phone has, you're going to complain.
    actually i'm using both iOS and Android besides Windows Phone. Currently i have to face the truth that we don't stand a chance to compare with them, that's why i'm feeling very bad and always want to scream to Microsoft :(
    08-01-2013 07:51 AM
  21. broar94's Avatar
    And yet you still bought one...

    You just proved my point. "There are plenty of threads on that, and mostly those threads appear to be on top lol.."

    You can't tell me that if you decided to buy a Samsung Galaxy S4 or Note II or HTC One or even (God forbid) an iPhone 5 or 4S that you wouldn't look it up first. Doing a Google search will give you lots of information. And on forums, people tend to express when things aren't working right - just look at this site. So if you did a quick search for "iPhone 5 reviews", "Samsung Galaxy S4 reviews", "Samsung Note II forums", etc. within minutes you'd know a lot about that phone. And it's not like you have to find some secret passage forum or something buried deep within a post. Just go to the Nokia Lumia 928 forum on this site and browse the headings and you can get a good idea of what's going on with the phone. THAT's what I'm talking about. And on just about every Lumia forum there are headings regarding the "other" storage problem.
    Reading a Lumia review does not tell anyone about the innate WP8 shortcomings or problems associated with the OS!!! They just simply mention the hardware review of it, there's no software review of OS. Of course, all the Windows Phones will have a common con "apps are few aka not comparable to IOS/Android .

    Regarding your point, I bought the phone before I deep dived into WP forums!! I'd buy an S4 or a Note II or a S III(I'm not an apple fan, so no apple products) or even an HTC one(though their service in my country is questionable) eyes closed, I dont need to read anyone's reviews, I already know it comes with just 9GB of available internal memory, but it does have SD card(for external storage).
    08-01-2013 07:54 AM
  22. gab1972's Avatar
    Reading a Lumia review does not tell anyone about the innate WP8 shortcomings or problems associated with the OS!!! They just simply mention the hardware review of it, there's no software review of OS. Of course, all the Windows Phones will have a common con "apps are few aka not comparable to IOS/Android .

    Regarding your point, I bought the phone before I deep dived into WP forums!! I'd buy an S4 or a Note II or a S III(I'm not an apple fan, so no apple products) or even an HTC one(though their service in my country is questionable) eyes closed, I dont need to read anyone's reviews, I already know it comes with just 9GB of available internal memory, but it does have SD card(for external storage).
    True, CNet most likely will not give you an OS review...but as you pointed out, forums will tell you in a heartbeat if they don't like something. And that, my friend, IS a software review. Word of mouth trumps a paid advertisement/review any day of the week.

    Android has been out a long time and has been all over the news. WP is not near as popular as Android or iOS. So yeah, I'd buy a S4 or Note II in a heartbeat because I know Android. However, I'd still review it to see what people were saying about battery life or if there were rumors of how often it'd get updated. But because WP is not popular and Windows Phone 8 hasn't been out that long, you don't know what you're getting into, and therefore, I would think you'd treat it differently from Android. Because you know all of these things about the Android phones, you've either owned them or read about them. So if you thought WP was the same as Android, again, that's poor investigation. Everyone already knows iOS is not the same as Android (they didn't have pulldown notifications or Do Not Disturb or live wallpapers, etc). So why would people think WP should be the same as both Android and iOS?!
    08-01-2013 10:18 AM
  23. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    So why would people think WP should be the same as both Android and iOS?!
    Who think that WP is same as Android or iOS ?

    If thats what people thought , WP would have had far greater sales.

    Its different , that's why nobody is interested.

    "Abnormally different" is not same as "different" , WP is abnormally different
    OzRob likes this.
    08-01-2013 12:00 PM
  24. OzRob's Avatar
    So because you can't remember to turn the phone on silent or didn't check first to see if this feature was there and because there is no separate volume control for media/phone - this means WP8 is crappy enough to leave it?
    Yes, among other shortcomings.

    But volume control is something that is a deal breaker?
    Yes, it's one of a number of deal breakers.

    And I *did* do all of my homework.
    Which says quite a lot about you.

    In fact, I knew it didn't have separate volume controls within a few minutes utilizing the search box at the top of this window.
    Shows that the old adage, "you don't know what you got until you lose it" is quite sage. Why search for something if you are not aware that you should be searching for it? Most people in the world buy iPhones or Android devices. Separating control of media volume from ringtone volume is standard on these devices (for good reason - it's sensible), and has been for some time. So most people in the world probably wouldn't think to search for the absence of that feature when investigating WP for the first time (you are obviously an exception to that) because they would expect it to be there.

    App/function envy, dude. That's all this is.
    If by that you mean envy of phones that can do the things that are smart, convenient, automated and fit the way I want to use a phone, then yes.

    And if those missing features are that important to you, you'd have looked for those first.
    I can only repeat, "you don't know what you got until you lose it". Unless, of course you are advising that people should search for every feature and function that may be important and useful to them, even if they think it is something all smart phones should be able to do.

    Obviously, something about this phone drew you to it. So either you didn't bother to check out the volume and it wasn't *that* important as you claim, or you saw something else that made you look passed it's flaws and now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
    Or perhaps I did a reasonable amount of due diligence, as most people would do. And if complaints upset you, perhaps you should steer clear of online forums, or just stick to the "Why I love WP" threads.

    BTW, if you're going to quote me in your posts, please either quote my entire post, or break it up so it's more obvious that there's bits missing or that you're only partially quoting paragraphs.
    Last edited by OzRob; 08-01-2013 at 07:43 PM.
    08-01-2013 07:02 PM
  25. munchk's Avatar
    I have to say, despite the snarky comments on both sides :) I agree with this. Coming from a mature platform its unfair to compare to a year old OS, but you suddenly realise what you have taken from granted in Android/iOS. This doesnt make win phone 8 bad, but the disappointing feeling can linger and works against your want to give the phone its fair shot.

    To me: not having a feature isnt a deal breaker - but sizable bugs are pretty bad. I would like to see smaller and quicker iterations of the OS to plug some issues I found, and have seen on these forums. I think its a consensus, even from Nokia that MS isnt moving quick enough on that front for improving the OS...
    08-02-2013 02:28 AM
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