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  1. libra89's Avatar
    @libra89 You are a bad influence. After reading your glowing reviews of the iPhone SE, I decided to see what was on my local craigslist, even though I swore I didn't want an iOS device. Well for less than half the price of a new 32GB one I have a gently used 64GB(though the screen has some decent scratches), and now have the trifecta of newish phones from each platform (Lumia 950, Google Pixel, and iPhone SE). The small size is really nice in the hand, and it feels great. I never had an iphone 5 or 5S, so it isn't a nostalgia thing for me. I figured this way I can keep up with all the new stuff on each platform, and for the price, why not. I most likely will not use it as a daily driver (that is still my 950), but it will keep my Pixel company on my desk.
    Haha! Congrats! I think you're all set now, awesome that you found a great deal too.
    05-10-2017 02:05 PM
  2. camaroz1985's Avatar
    Helps to find the mom of a spoiled girl who wanted to upgrade from the SE to the 7+ after a month, and mom just wanted to get rid of the phone. I offered $50 less than listed price and she took it without question. Should have gone lower...
    05-10-2017 02:58 PM
  3. sd4f's Avatar
    Ok, so I'm going to go against the flow a little here. I've been on the hunt for a L950 for the last month, as they've been rather difficult to find of late, and prices for some strange reason have been going up.

    So, I have the choice between a brand new L950 or brand new L950XL both Australian CV models, so no mucking around with carrier apps or delayed updates. Thing is, the XL is cheaper. So which should I get?

    Seeing that there's absolutely nothing planned for build, should I give it a last hurrah to delay the inevitable, or just wait one month until the rest of the SD835 android phones come out and just go with something there.

    My sights have been set on either the rumoured nokia 9 flagship, or a oneplus 5.

    Lack of the FB messenger app on my L920 is starting to drive me mad.
    Last edited by sd4f; 05-10-2017 at 10:59 PM.
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    05-10-2017 10:01 PM
  4. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Hi all, signing off from the Microsoft world as of build yesterday. Disgusted at the continued disrespect of Microsoft towards their own customers in the mobile world, however this is not the key reason.

    The key reason is this, microsofts new strategy is literally they have their heads in the cloud! The reality is through the customers are down here. I don't want a cloud first mobile whatever strategy they are trying to sell! I want to invest my money in a company that has a clear strategy for the things I use now. That isn't Microsoft, taking their strategy to its logical conclusion where does windows 10 as a operating system even fit in with that?

    I am going to google, enemy or not they at least seem to have a clue what they are doing. Ordering an s8 and leaving this sorry mess behind. I'm also cancelling office 365 too, great service but again the mess behind it means I'll use google suite.

    This may get me heat, fair enough, many will like microsofts new strategy, I'm not one of them, I see it as chaos, so I'm departing. Enjoy the journey folks.

    See you at android central forums if you visit there :)
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    05-11-2017 03:46 AM
  5. nasznjoka's Avatar
    Very good decision. There's nothing more over here
    05-11-2017 03:54 AM
  6. Drael646464's Avatar
    Todays sposed to be about win10 (yesterday was cloud), and build is a dev conference, but seeya!
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    05-11-2017 03:54 AM
  7. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Todays sposed to be about win10 (yesterday was cloud), and build is a dev conference, but seeya!
    Absolutely, and in those videos of smartphones they showed oh so frequently, how many were windows phone? They can't even have the dignity to throw this community a crumb let alone a bone!

    But thank you for your pleasant dismissal, gracious.
    05-11-2017 04:46 AM
  8. dov1978's Avatar
    It's Microsofts arrogance that bothers me most tbh. Yeah tech fails sometimes and this ongoing experiment of theirs is coming to an end but like several times before when they hit the reset switch on a platform the customers/fans/devs have invested time and money in they just expect us all to blindly jump back onboard as if nothing happened and because they're Microsoft we won't question it. It still makes me wonder why I and many others still defend them and this platform when they couldn't really give 2 sh**s about us
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    05-11-2017 05:25 AM
  9. Drael646464's Avatar
    Absolutely, and in those videos of smartphones they showed oh so frequently, how many were windows phone? They can't even have the dignity to throw this community a crumb let alone a bone!

    But thank you for your pleasant dismissal, gracious.
    The pitch is for developers - how many developers for cloud services are using windows phones? (the azure app is coming to UWP btw, and the chatbot for the video tech, is merely a bot, it can run anywhere). You want to pitch an idea to devs, and companies, your going to want to show them the devices they use, right? If you ran it all on windows 10 mobile devices people would wonder - does this work with my device?

    Cortana was by far the most exciting part of day 1, and that works best on windows devices on the creators update. Should be an interesting first year or so for windows users with the Cortana api when it moves past preview stage.

    If we were going to hear about windows 10 mobile now, which is probably a stretch given MSFTs need to build up UWP before making this catergory of device a priority, it would be today during the windows 10 talk, rather than yesterday during the cloud/edge talk. But it probably won't happen. There's no commercial viability to pushing that rock up that hill without either apps or a game changer. Both of those things are a strategic work in progress.

    It is a developers conference anyway, clearly you and I are not the target audience.

    IMO by the sound of it, you were waiting for a reason to leave. I left google services and platforms in similar disgust, so it's not like I don't relate. I do. I wouldn't touch google products with a barge pole these days. If you feel that way about MS products -

    Go well, and enjoy your Sammy device :) I hope you find satisfaction in it!
    05-11-2017 06:20 AM
  10. sumton's Avatar
    2017 is not like the old days windows is not feeding Microsoft like it used to be they have bigger dreams and their future belong to the cloud
    05-11-2017 06:48 AM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    2017 is not like the old days windows is not feeding Microsoft like it used to be they have bigger dreams and their future belong to the cloud
    While enterprise services are their biggest earner, I'm not sure that's really true. Every company that's big enough, has dreams of expansion.

    Apple makes far more just selling iphones than MSFT does selling azure. It's more that, MSFT wants to REALLY protect its economic moat, lock down its profits and cashflow and make sure no other company can climb its enterprise walls.

    Considering how much money they make from azure, it makes sense to try and expand that. Doesn't mean they don't also want to grow windows 10, or even shock horror, enter into mobile, VR/AR, autonomous cars, AI or whatever else. If they want to invest in those, they'll want as much cashflow as they can.

    Enterprise does flow into consumer too, and vice versa. If for example MSFT locks down the enterprise IoT (honestly a lot more useful to them than consumers anyway), that offers a bridge to IoT on consumer devices due to developer support, hardware, communication protocols and so on.

    But what is it they say - one bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. MSFT would be silly not to keep riding the azure train.

    As a sidenote- Consumer wise, I think this "edge" idea of cloud based local distribution could have a lot of consumer application, especially in the IoT. You could use that same logic they demonstrated to control your home, or car with lower latency.

    You could also use the visual recognition tech, to protect your home from burglers, or to alert the police of assault, or simply find your missing keys. It could also provide access to electronic locks, automatically turn on devices etc. How much safer would most people feel if their _house_ called emergency services when they had a heart attack, or gave an alert when their toddler was in danger?

    As much as they were pitched to enterprise I think a "google for real life, with logic variable switches" could honestly be one of the most powerful new ideas I have heard of. It could literally revolutionise society. Obviously it wouldn't be cool if I could just say "where is such and such", and they were some public citizen I didn't know. or 'find me some crack'. And there are ethical issues with police using such technologies. But for workplaces and around the home alone, I think my mind is pretty much blown how much stuff could be done with that.

    You could have private settings for each person in a house, so certain lighting, heating, humidity, music, network streaming options. It could map everything contextually - run and get into a bath - hit the chill playlist and dim the lights automatically. Get on the treadmill? Hit the workout playlist, and lower the room temperature.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-11-2017 at 07:12 AM.
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    05-11-2017 06:58 AM
  12. andrewje_home's Avatar
    Why I'm leaving Windows 10 Mobile!

    1. Inconsistent operation with emails shown in the Action Centre. E.g. Click a new email from the action centre you will either get navigated to:
      • The all email list
      • The last viewed email
      • The actual email you were expecting

    2. Camera looses pictures. If you snap a pick and switch the screen off too quickly you will loose the picture completely.
    3. Pictures take ages after been taken before you can zoom into the picture (ie. Check that the picture you took is ok). Also sometimes loses the picture if you snap another too quickly after the last.
    4. Camera autofocus is sometimes so slow it can take 10+ seconds before the picture is captured.
    5. Music background playback task should remember what song is paused/stopped indefinitely. At the moment it seems to forget the playback stream anywhere between 1 and 8 hours. Sometimes it will remember the playback stream for a few days.
    6. Why have the music playback controls still not been moved to the action centre (like other mobile os's)? This would help fix problem 5 above.
    7. Music playback randomly pauses. Sometimes it can do this every couple of songs.
    8. Flip to silence - where has that gone? Was on my 1020 but gone on the 950.
    9. Opening links from a Cortana search sometimes open an old, previously viewed web page. New tab is there but you need to change tabs.
    10. Back button on edge is utterly inconsistent.
      E.g. Opening a web page from link in application and then hit the back button should take me back to the application. Instead it either opens a page I looked at previously and then returns to the application on the next back button press. Sometimes back will keep taking you back through previous pages you viewed in a previous session. Back should me going back through the user navigation path like it used to do on 8.1
    11. Hey Cortana doesn't wake the Lumia 950 all the time. If you train Cortana it never wakes up.
    12. Headphone button double tap and triple tap are utterly inconsistent for skipping or repeating a music track. Complete box of chocolates.
    13. Saying "Call my Wife" to Cortana will quite often say Calling ..... But then not actually make the call.
    14. Windows Hello Iris scanner was supposed to be quicker to log in with the creator update. It's still as slow as ever.
    15. Windows Hello Iris scanner doesn't show up if you are listening to music until you swipe up to get to the pin.
    16. Battery life. I barely make it to 6pm even with light use. My wife's dirt cheap Android device lasts two days easy an has a much smaller battery. My 1020 was also equally bad so it isn't the hardware.


    There are many other issues but this is just a few of the more serious ones. It's not even like these are new issues. These are all long standing issues since W10 mobile launched. Before you ask, yes I did report these a long while back but I guess nobody at Microsoft cares anymore?

    What will I get? Not sure really but I do know it won't run windows 10 mobile. It's sad because I have had may windows phone devices right back to the WP7 days. I don't really like the other two OS's but the above list makes it impossible to be a satisfied Windows 10 Mobile fan.
    Last edited by andrewje_home; 05-11-2017 at 11:24 AM.
    05-11-2017 10:22 AM
  13. bing722's Avatar
    I recently got a midrange ZTE Axon 7 on sale. It's super fast, reliable, has good battery life, and excellent build quality. The camera is pretty decent, but not as good as a PureView. It charges very fast, has every app I could ever want, and syncs very well with my Microsoft account. The speakers are loud and clear. I'm already running Nougat 7.1.1. If MS ever gets their act together regarding Mobile, maybe I'll be back someday.

    Based on my experience, the only advantages I'd give to the Lumia 950's are better cameras and a nicer-looking OS.
    05-11-2017 11:36 AM
  14. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    Why I'm leaving Windows 10 Mobile!

    1. Inconsistent operation with emails shown in the Action Centre. E.g. Click a new email from the action centre you will either get navigated to:
      • The all email list
      • The last viewed email
      • The actual email you were expecting

    2. Camera looses pictures. If you snap a pick and switch the screen off too quickly you will loose the picture completely.
    3. Pictures take ages after been taken before you can zoom into the picture (ie. Check that the picture you took is ok). Also sometimes loses the picture if you snap another too quickly after the last.
    4. Camera autofocus is sometimes so slow it can take 10+ seconds before the picture is captured.
    5. Music background playback task should remember what song is paused/stopped indefinitely. At the moment it seems to forget the playback stream anywhere between 1 and 8 hours. Sometimes it will remember the playback stream for a few days.
    6. Why have the music playback controls still not been moved to the action centre (like other mobile os's)? This would help fix problem 5 above.
    7. Music playback randomly pauses. Sometimes it can do this every couple of songs.
    8. Flip to silence - where has that gone? Was on my 1020 but gone on the 950.
    9. Opening links from a Cortana search sometimes open an old, previously viewed web page. New tab is there but you need to change tabs.
    10. Back button on edge is utterly inconsistent.
      E.g. Opening a web page from link in application and then hit the back button should take me back to the application. Instead it either opens a page I looked at previously and then returns to the application on the next back button press. Sometimes back will keep taking you back through previous pages you viewed in a previous session. Back should me going back through the user navigation path like it used to do on 8.1
    11. Hey Cortana doesn't wake the Lumia 950 all the time. If you train Cortana it never wakes up.
    12. Headphone button double tap and triple tap are utterly inconsistent for skipping or repeating a music track. Complete box of chocolates.
    13. Saying "Call my Wife" to Cortana will quite often say Calling ..... But then not actually make the call.
    14. Windows Hello Iris scanner was supposed to be quicker to log in with the creator update. It's still as slow as ever.
    15. Windows Hello Iris scanner doesn't show up if you are listening to music until you swipe up to get to the pin.
    16. Battery life. I barely make it to 6pm even with light use. My wife's dirt cheap Android device lasts two days easy an has a much smaller battery. My 1020 was also equally bad so it isn't the hardware.


    There are many other issues but this is just a few of the more serious ones. It's not even like these are new issues. These are all long standing issues since W10 mobile launched. Before you ask, yes I did report these a long while back but I guess nobody at Microsoft cares anymore?

    What will I get? Not sure really but I do know it won't run windows 10 mobile. It's sad because I have had may windows phone devices right back to the WP7 days. I don't really like the other two OS's but the above list makes it impossible to be a satisfied Windows 10 Mobile fan.

    Sorry to hear about all of those issues... glad I'm not facing them on my 1520. If I was, I would probably be preparing to leave as well.
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    05-13-2017 04:33 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    Sorry to hear about all of those issues... glad I'm not facing them on my 1520. If I was, I would probably be preparing to leave as well.
    I agree. It sounds like a bad device though, not the OS. I looked through them and don't have the same experience on my multiple devices.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    05-13-2017 05:56 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I agree. It sounds like a bad device though, not the OS. I looked through them and don't have the same experience on my multiple devices.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Ditto, I don't think I've ever had any of those issues. The core apps are as stable as any from any other OS and the voice recognition is far superior to anything from Cupertino or Mountain View.
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    05-13-2017 10:00 PM
  17. mark233's Avatar
    Like a G6, Like a G6 .... LG G6

    Switched to Android via the new LG G6 yesterday (who knows how long I'll use this before I switch to something else haha). Never used an LG smartphone.

    I was curious about it and the Galaxy S8 so I went to local Tmo to have a look. Both phones look impressive to say the least. I just personally don't like Samsung's touch for Android.

    So I played a bit with the G6. Ended up buying it.

    It's a bit amazing that this G6 sports a 5.7" display. The 18:9 ratio display is nice. Phone is definitely narrower than the 950XL and a bit narrower than the Moto X Pure. It's really nice for one handed operation for me.

    I'm 'spoiled' with Nova Prime Launcher so that's what I'm using.

    Camera is really good and I really like the wide angle lens it sports. Pretty impressive.

    I'm glad to find that I can go all day on a charge with plenty to spare (for my usual usage).

    I'll stick with this one for a spell based on my first day and a half of usage.

    ...and wow --- they still have the Alcatel 4s with Windows on display --- $288.
    05-14-2017 01:16 PM
  18. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Here's the start screen from my new Android phone using Launcher 10. Some of the tiles are animated too. It makes a better Windows Phone than W10M did.

    I'm using an SMS app that can be configured to look very much like the Windows Messages app, and I'm using MSoft's SwiftKey keyboard.

    I'm quite happy now, got the best of both worlds.

    05-14-2017 02:40 PM
  19. mark233's Avatar
    Here's a wide angle shot taken with the G6 ... I think I was about 8" away.
    20170514_142430c.jpg

    Phone is very smooth operating, responsive (of course it's new).
    I'm enjoying it. Glad I got it! I just wish it had front firing speakers like my Moto X Pure and Alcatel Idol 4s.
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    05-14-2017 04:36 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I have some questions for those of you using launchers.

    1. Is there any launcher that mimics the transparent tiles of W10M? Every one I've used has the colored tile scheme from 8/8.1 and the thick borders.

    2. Can you pin individual Outlook accounts to the "Start Screen" like W10M?

    3. Are there any DroidBerry users out there that can confirm if these launchers support Hub notifications?

    I've sold off my Idol, Passport and G5 in my latest attempt (in vain) to settle on one device. Still keeping the iPhone as a top drawer backup, though. Seeing the vast improvements BlackBerry has made to the Hub for Android I'm re-visiting the Priv. Being able to pin individual email accounts is yuuuge for me and the Hub does this now. I don't know how recent this is since it's been about a year and a half since my last affair with a Priv and it wasn't available then.

    I'll be keeping a close eye on that KEYone and the goings on with WoA. Slowly but surely I'm whittling down my choices to DroidBerry or Windows (if the ARM experiment goes well).
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    05-14-2017 04:46 PM
  21. mark233's Avatar
    I have some questions for those of you using launchers.

    1. Is there any launcher that mimics the transparent tiles of W10M? Every one I've used has the colored tile scheme from 8/8.1 and the thick borders.

    2. Can you pin individual Outlook accounts to the "Start Screen" like W10M?

    3. Are there any DroidBerry users out there that can confirm if these launchers support Hub notifications?

    I've sold off my Idol, Passport and G5 in my latest attempt (in vain) to settle on one device. Still keeping the iPhone as a top drawer backup, though. Seeing the vast improvements BlackBerry has made to the Hub for Android I'm re-visiting the Priv. Being able to pin individual email accounts is yuuuge for me and the Hub does this now. I don't know how recent this is since it's been about a year and a half since my last affair with a Priv and it wasn't available then.

    I'll be keeping a close eye on that KEYone and the goings on with WoA. Slowly but surely I'm whittling down my choices to DroidBerry or Windows (if the ARM experiment goes well).
    Good questions .... I'm unaware of any.
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    05-14-2017 04:51 PM
  22. Timbre70's Avatar
    Still can't find a launcher as good as Microsoft and importantly totally free.
    Last edited by Timbre70; 05-14-2017 at 06:52 PM.
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    05-14-2017 06:38 PM
  23. libra89's Avatar
    I've sold off my Idol, Passport and G5 in my latest attempt (in vain) to settle on one device. Still keeping the iPhone as a top drawer backup, though. Seeing the vast improvements BlackBerry has made to the Hub for Android I'm re-visiting the Priv. Being able to pin individual email accounts is yuuuge for me and the Hub does this now. I don't know how recent this is since it's been about a year and a half since my last affair with a Priv and it wasn't available then.

    I'll be keeping a close eye on that KEYone and the goings on with WoA. Slowly but surely I'm whittling down my choices to DroidBerry or Windows (if the ARM experiment goes well).
    Wow the Priv! How's the one device thing going for you so far?

    At the moment, I'm finding it mostly good to have a break from the switching. My Pixel is being fixed so my hand has been forced to use one phone for a while.
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    05-14-2017 08:21 PM
  24. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Launcher 10 has a transparency slider just like W10M.

    05-14-2017 08:35 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Wow the Priv! How's the one device thing going for you so far?

    At the moment, I'm finding it mostly good to have a break from the switching. My Pixel is being fixed so my hand has been forced to use one phone for a while.
    I always liked the Priv but Android was the Achilles heel. BlackBerry's Android apps have come a long way since 2015 and it makes it seem a little less Androidy and more like a Passport. Not to mention the BlackBerry keyboards, physical and virtual. Battery life is still a challenge but the additional BB tweaks help.
    libra89 and Guytronic like this.
    05-14-2017 08:42 PM
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