1. libra89's Avatar
    I know it will work out, I have messed with my wife's for the past month or so. I may have been a bit impulsive, but I got a really good deal. So my internal debate is do I sell it because I don't "need" it. I guess I could just use it and list it for sale, and if someone buys it then I will switch back to the SE. Chances are if I use the X for an extended time I will probably just pass on the SE 2 though. The X seems to be the sweet spot for me, it has enough extra screen, and the camera features of the plus models, but is about the size of the standard model.
    Hmm, I see what you are saying. That is a tricky decision. You would have the camera features with the X, but possibly pass up on a possible refreshed SE 2.

    At the same time, it seems like there hasn't been any new (enough for my liking) concrete rumors about this possibility. For something that is apparently supposed to be available/announced in ~2 months, it's pretty quiet. It's so hard to predict this early in the process.
    I wish you good luck with your decision.
    01-22-2018 11:32 AM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    Microsoft has now pulled the plug on Insider builds. I figured this was going to happen but actually hearing this happened is a bummer. I was considering resetting up the Lumia 650 recently, but no point.

    The Windows 10 Mobile Insider program comes to an end - Windows Central

    With that dream buried, I guess I should just accept iOS, which will be easier if/when the SE 2 becomes a thing.
    01-26-2018 02:13 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Microsoft has now pulled the plug on Insider builds. I figured this was going to happen but actually hearing this happened is a bummer. I was considering resetting up the Lumia 650 recently, but no point.

    The Windows 10 Mobile Insider program comes to an end - Windows Central

    With that dream buried, I guess I should just accept iOS, which will be easier if/when the SE 2 becomes a thing.
    This isn't exactly news. We've known for a few weeks that W10M was in maintenance mode until 2019 for Creator Update users. A tweak here and a bug fix there doesn't require a new build so keeping the Insider program going was a waste of resources.
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    01-26-2018 03:15 PM
  4. libra89's Avatar
    This isn't exactly news. We've known for a few weeks that W10M was in maintenance mode until 2019 for Creator Update users. A tweak here and a bug fix there doesn't require a new build so keeping the Insider program going was a waste of resources.
    You're right about that. To me, it's still disappointing that no kind of Blue Light filter/night light filter ever came to life, along with other things that would be nice to have (like making Edge less of a battery drain). I'm sad about it, especially since Insider was the way a LOT of people on Windows Central hopped in on the phones.
    If there's no insider, what do they have? Unlike Android with all of these ROMs for various phones, this platform doesn't have much of that.
    01-26-2018 03:25 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You're right about that. To me, it's still disappointing that no kind of Blue Light filter/night light filter ever came to life, along with other things that would be nice to have (like making Edge less of a battery drain). I'm sad about it, especially since Insider was the way a LOT of people on Windows Central hopped in on the phones.
    If there's no insider, what do they have? Unlike Android with all of these ROMs for various phones, this platform doesn't have much of that.
    Windows 10 Mobile is in maintenance mode, this is it until the next big thing. Even then there's no guarantee existing phones will be able to upgrade. That's the Microsoft way. Guuuurl, you shoulda been here when WP8 came and those people who were on WP7.8 found out they were left high and dry with no upgrade path. Talk about cry me a river!

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    01-26-2018 06:38 PM
  6. Husky44's Avatar
    Made the Android jump last night. After being a Windows Phone user since the days of Windows Mobile 2003, I previously tried iPhone, and it didn't work for me. I found it frustratingly inefficient compared to W10M.

    I got a great deal on an LGV30, which is the phone I landed on after reading a LOT about Android phones here--I'm switching from a Lumia 950. The V30 gave me expandable memory, a headphone jack, and wireless charging--three hardware requirements that I wasn't ready to give up.

    I didn't want to switch, but my 950 was starting to act buggy, and I wasn't sure I could hold out until the next thing comes. I got the V30 for over $300 off, so I figure if I absolutely hate it, I can still sell it for not much loss.

    Device-wise, the V30 is a really nice piece of hardware.

    I'm pretty happy with the apps so far; I've downloaded all the MS stuff. Installed MS Launcher thingy, but not exactly sure what that does for me.
    Things I am disappointed with, or can't figure out yet:
    -Really wish there was a way to make it pull contacts directly from Outlook. Hate that I have one bit of data in Google's world
    -Can't figure out how to reply to texts by voice.
    -Haven't figured out the whole home screen business yet. I feel like I'm rummaging around in a big box full of crap trying to figure out where I put everything, rather than having neat compartments... I'm sure that will get better with familiarity.
    -oh, yeah...Live Tiles. Both iOS and Android just boggle my mind. How in the hell have the users of these other OSes, including my own family, mocked me for over a decade for being a technically ignorant buffoon? People who view Windows 10 Mobile as inferior from a design/UI standpoint are ignorant. App gap? OK, I'll concede that, although it never caused me an issue. But Live Tiles are so stinking much better than anything going on the big two.

    I mainly share this to help those who are yet to make the jump. It's not horrible; I just wish I could have had an updated, supported W10 on a device like this. Still secretly wishing for MS to blow me away soon...
    01-26-2018 07:21 PM
  7. dov1978's Avatar
    Made the Android jump last night. After being a Windows Phone user since the days of Windows Mobile 2003, I previously tried iPhone, and it didn't work for me. I found it frustratingly inefficient compared to W10M.

    I got a great deal on an LGV30, which is the phone I landed on after reading a LOT about Android phones here--I'm switching from a Lumia 950. The V30 gave me expandable memory, a headphone jack, and wireless charging--three hardware requirements that I wasn't ready to give up.

    I didn't want to switch, but my 950 was starting to act buggy, and I wasn't sure I could hold out until the next thing comes. I got the V30 for over $300 off, so I figure if I absolutely hate it, I can still sell it for not much loss.

    Device-wise, the V30 is a really nice piece of hardware.

    I'm pretty happy with the apps so far; I've downloaded all the MS stuff. Installed MS Launcher thingy, but not exactly sure what that does for me.
    Things I am disappointed with, or can't figure out yet:
    -Really wish there was a way to make it pull contacts directly from Outlook. Hate that I have one bit of data in Google's world
    -Can't figure out how to reply to texts by voice.
    -Haven't figured out the whole home screen business yet. I feel like I'm rummaging around in a big box full of crap trying to figure out where I put everything, rather than having neat compartments... I'm sure that will get better with familiarity.
    -oh, yeah...Live Tiles. Both iOS and Android just boggle my mind. How in the hell have the users of these other OSes, including my own family, mocked me for over a decade for being a technically ignorant buffoon? People who view Windows 10 Mobile as inferior from a design/UI standpoint are ignorant. App gap? OK, I'll concede that, although it never caused me an issue. But Live Tiles are so stinking much better than anything going on the big two.

    I mainly share this to help those who are yet to make the jump. It's not horrible; I just wish I could have had an updated, supported W10 on a device like this. Still secretly wishing for MS to blow me away soon...
    Make sure you add your Outlook Account as an Exchange account and it will sync your Outlook contacts just fine
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    01-28-2018 04:45 AM
  8. dov1978's Avatar
    Made the Android jump last night. After being a Windows Phone user since the days of Windows Mobile 2003, I previously tried iPhone, and it didn't work for me. I found it frustratingly inefficient compared to W10M.

    I got a great deal on an LGV30, which is the phone I landed on after reading a LOT about Android phones here--I'm switching from a Lumia 950. The V30 gave me expandable memory, a headphone jack, and wireless charging--three hardware requirements that I wasn't ready to give up.

    I didn't want to switch, but my 950 was starting to act buggy, and I wasn't sure I could hold out until the next thing comes. I got the V30 for over $300 off, so I figure if I absolutely hate it, I can still sell it for not much loss.

    Device-wise, the V30 is a really nice piece of hardware.

    I'm pretty happy with the apps so far; I've downloaded all the MS stuff. Installed MS Launcher thingy, but not exactly sure what that does for me.
    Things I am disappointed with, or can't figure out yet:
    -Really wish there was a way to make it pull contacts directly from Outlook. Hate that I have one bit of data in Google's world
    -Can't figure out how to reply to texts by voice.
    -Haven't figured out the whole home screen business yet. I feel like I'm rummaging around in a big box full of crap trying to figure out where I put everything, rather than having neat compartments... I'm sure that will get better with familiarity.
    -oh, yeah...Live Tiles. Both iOS and Android just boggle my mind. How in the hell have the users of these other OSes, including my own family, mocked me for over a decade for being a technically ignorant buffoon? People who view Windows 10 Mobile as inferior from a design/UI standpoint are ignorant. App gap? OK, I'll concede that, although it never caused me an issue. But Live Tiles are so stinking much better than anything going on the big two.

    I mainly share this to help those who are yet to make the jump. It's not horrible; I just wish I could have had an updated, supported W10 on a device like this. Still secretly wishing for MS to blow me away soon...
    Oh and it is possible to keep a pretty darn close feel of Windows phones on your Android. I switch between Microsoft Launcher and SquareHome2 often
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    01-28-2018 04:50 AM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    Microsoft has now pulled the plug on Insider builds. I figured this was going to happen but actually hearing this happened is a bummer. I was considering resetting up the Lumia 650 recently, but no point.

    The Windows 10 Mobile Insider program comes to an end - Windows Central

    With that dream buried, I guess I should just accept iOS, which will be easier if/when the SE 2 becomes a thing.
    This was the reason I moved to iOS about 9 months ago. It was easy to see this was going to happen though I got told I was wrong. While it doesn’t mean devices will stop working and will still get security updates, I just can’t stay with an os that has stopped innovating. I do hope they come up with the next big thing, but until then, I’ll stick with Apple and watch Windows from the sideline.
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    01-28-2018 07:31 AM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    This was the reason I moved to iOS about 9 months ago. It was easy to see this was going to happen though I got told I was wrong. While it doesn’t mean devices will stop working and will still get security updates, I just can’t stay with an os that has stopped innovating. I do hope they come up with the next big thing, but until then, I’ll stick with Apple and watch Windows from the sideline.
    I totally agree with you. It sounds like we will see for sure.
    01-28-2018 08:46 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I totally agree with you. It sounds like we will see for sure.
    I agree with both of you which is why my primary is an Android. But I'm almost "forced" to carry a Windows device due to failures on the basics by both Android and iOS. As good as Nine is, their idea of push email means "we'll push it when we're good and ready". They're consistently 5-10 minutes behind any Windows phone or my Tab S2. The Tab is running the BlackBerry Hub which has been ruined with a recent update on phones. You can no longer pin separate accounts to your home screen like you can with Tiles. I have to keep the tablet on LTE so it won't update Hub.

    Printing is another sore spot with me. Unless the target printer supports Google Cloud Services, you're outta gas. I plug in a USB-C 3.0 to Ethernet adapter on any of my Continuum-capable Windows phones and I can print to any printer on my network. This is particularly useful for my plotters and raster printers.

    Apps are great and all but they should be complementary. Email and PIM is the basis for a smartphone but it seems Twitter and Instagram took over somewhere in the mid-2010s.
    01-28-2018 12:45 PM
  12. libra89's Avatar
    I agree with both of you which is why my primary is an Android. But I'm almost "forced" to carry a Windows device due to failures on the basics by both Android and iOS. As good as Nine is, their idea of push email means "we'll push it when we're good and ready". They're consistently 5-10 minutes behind any Windows phone or my Tab S2. The Tab is running the BlackBerry Hub which has been ruined with a recent update on phones. You can no longer pin separate accounts to your home screen like you can with Tiles. I have to keep the tablet on LTE so it won't update Hub.

    Printing is another sore spot with me. Unless the target printer supports Google Cloud Services, you're outta gas. I plug in a USB-C 3.0 to Ethernet adapter on any of my Continuum-capable Windows phones and I can print to any printer on my network. This is particularly useful for my plotters and raster printers.

    Apps are great and all but they should be complementary. Email and PIM is the basis for a smartphone but it seems Twitter and Instagram took over somewhere in the mid-2010s.
    I can only imagine what you have to deal with when it comes to printing. I do agree with your comment about Nine though. I never thought about it until you said it lol.
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    01-28-2018 05:47 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I can only imagine what you have to deal with when it comes to printing. I do agree with your comment about Nine though. I never thought about it until you said it lol.
    Ugh! The x3 is already on my s**t list, can't walk and chew gum at the same time. It's going into perpetual resets every 10 minutes if I have the Fitbit and my truck's hands-free connected simultaneously. I've never had the problem before but I've read similar stories here. Two options, go nuclear with a hard reset or go back to the Idol.
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    01-29-2018 06:39 AM
  14. camaroz1985's Avatar
    With that dream buried, I guess I should just accept iOS, which will be easier if/when the SE 2 becomes a thing.

    I sold my X so I am waiting on the SE 2 as well. This little phone keeps on chugging though so I'm not in a rush, but my phone ADD does kick in every now and then. SE leaks have been very few and far between, so that doesn't help matters. I don't like the rumors I read that they are expecting a 6.1" phone to replace the SE as the low cost phone. As I have said many times I don't care about the low cost, but I do care about the small size. I wouldn't care if the small phone cost more than this rumored 6.1" phone as long as it was still offered.

    Only about two months until the normal spring event date though, so I can tough it out. If the SE 2 isn't released then, but instead switched to the fall event I might give in and grab another X.

    Windows 10 Mobile is in maintenance mode, this is it until the next big thing. Even then there's no guarantee existing phones will be able to upgrade. That's the Microsoft way. Guuuurl, you shoulda been here when WP8 came and those people who were on WP7.8 found out they were left high and dry with no upgrade path. Talk about cry me a river!
    I think you would be safer guaranteeing that the existing phones won't be able to upgrade, and I am ok with that. I don't want them to compromise whatever the new system is to make it work on older devices. They need to start from scratch and make the OS and the device that will work best on it.
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    01-29-2018 09:11 AM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    Ugh! The x3 is already on my s**t list, can't walk and chew gum at the same time. It's going into perpetual resets every 10 minutes if I have the Fitbit and my truck's hands-free connected simultaneously. I've never had the problem before but I've read similar stories here. Two options, go nuclear with a hard reset or go back to the Idol.
    Oh no, the random restarts sound like such a pain. Good luck with your decision. If you have time, you can always try a reset and see how that goes.
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    01-29-2018 09:16 AM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    I sold my X so I am waiting on the SE 2 as well. This little phone keeps on chugging though so I'm not in a rush, but my phone ADD does kick in every now and then. SE leaks have been very few and far between, so that doesn't help matters. I don't like the rumors I read that they are expecting a 6.1" phone to replace the SE as the low cost phone. As I have said many times I don't care about the low cost, but I do care about the small size. I wouldn't care if the small phone cost more than this rumored 6.1" phone as long as it was still offered.

    Only about two months until the normal spring event date though, so I can tough it out. If the SE 2 isn't released then, but instead switched to the fall event I might give in and grab another X.
    Wow that you sold it. I agree with you about those rumors, I really hope that the size is going to be wrong. Like you, the size is really what matters for me. The fact that you sold this X, I do believe that you can for sure. That's a solid plan and we will see how that goes.
    01-29-2018 09:21 AM
  17. camaroz1985's Avatar
    Wow that you sold it. I agree with you about those rumors, I really hope that the size is going to be wrong. Like you, the size is really what matters for me. The fact that you sold this X, I do believe that you can for sure. That's a solid plan and we will see how that goes.
    Made about half the price of a new SE in profit by selling it. It wasn't too hard of a decision.
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    01-29-2018 09:25 AM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    Made about half the price of a new SE in profit by selling it. It wasn't too hard of a decision.
    Nice deal!
    01-29-2018 12:05 PM
  19. camaroz1985's Avatar
    Nice deal!
    For that reason if I find a similiar deal on an X I will buy it and either sell it, or keep it if the SE 2 stuff doesn't pan out.
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    01-29-2018 12:49 PM
  20. libra89's Avatar
    Speaking of it, this has me concerned now: iPhone SE 2 isn't coming or won't be radically different, analyst says - GSMArena

    I would have been like, whatever but the point about the X originally being delayed because of resources and it really was gives me pause.
    01-29-2018 10:05 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Oh no, the random restarts sound like such a pain. Good luck with your decision. If you have time, you can always try a reset and see how that goes.
    Hasn't gone well at all. I went all Hiroshima and traveled the WDRT route. No dice, it's going back. Something screwy is going on with the latest update because I'm having Outlook and OneDrive crashes even on the Idol.
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    01-29-2018 10:28 PM
  22. libra89's Avatar
    Hasn't gone well at all. I went all Hiroshima and traveled the WDRT route. No dice, it's going back. Something screwy is going on with the latest update because I'm having Outlook and OneDrive crashes even on the Idol.
    Ugh! I'm sorry that it didn't work out :/
    01-29-2018 10:35 PM
  23. nate0's Avatar
    As good as Nine is, their idea of push email means "we'll push it when we're good and ready". They're consistently 5-10 minutes behind any Windows phone or my Tab S2.
    I think the Android OS can be at fault on that maybe. I have always had push issues on iOS and Android. Never on a Windows Phone. One of the cool things Windows has alway kept consistent.
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    01-31-2018 04:25 PM
  24. nate0's Avatar
    Another cool thing...Had continuum casting from my 950 XL with my son's Color Crew video from myTube to our living room tv while I did other phone related tasks and browsing from it at the same time. Always found that as an amazing multitasking feature.
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    01-31-2018 04:30 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I think the Android OS can be at fault on that maybe. I have always had push issues on iOS and Android. Never on a Windows Phone. One of the cool things Windows has alway kept consistent.
    Nothing beats the BlackBerry Hub, even on Android. Email is something BB still does as well as anyone else.
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    01-31-2018 04:48 PM
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