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  1. Etyrnus's Avatar
    I love how everyone is saying he has no right to complain... It honestly feels like they don't want to hear that WP has flaws. Yeah, god damn it has flaws, but I love Windows Phone and am getting with Windows Phone 8, and can tell I'll enjoy it. But how about this, if people don't raise issues with the OS, how the heck is it meant to improve? Answer me that one.
    Exactly. I love WP, is it perfect no. But it serves me well, and I've actually had several coworkers asking about my phone in the last few days. The OP has some legitimate concerns/unmet needs/wants, and isn't saying they will never consider coming back, but wanting to see how the platform matures, and pointing out areas where they felt improvement was needed. I'm personally willing to be part of the active process of using the phone/OS and let my feedback help improve the platform. The OP is wanting to see what develops a little further before making a choice.
    12-14-2012 08:08 PM
  2. mythra's Avatar
    The review is presented as a balanced review but that's not really the case. I believe your heart already BELONGED to the iPhone before you even got the Lumia. WP8/Lumia never really had a chance. The iLost maps probably soured things for you a bit. Now that Google Maps are back, you can go back to 'precious'. Besides 3-4 days isn't enough time to see all aspects of the phone. It doesn't seem like you really explored the Nokia Drive enough because there are indeed options to avoid tolls, etc. Nokia Drive is presented as beta so I'm willing to cut them some slack. Like you, I would also like some features added to it. So I hope Nokia will keep improving. Nokia Music is pretty good, not sure why you didn't try that either. You might be right about the live tile interface getting old and boring at some point. However, the icon interface of ios and android is already old and boring so why should a user compromise. I think I'll enjoy the fresh new interface for now. The camera is good and will get better. I don't think 3-4 would be long enough to appreciate its capabilities, so that's another opportunity wasted.

    Anyways, good luck to you. It's good that you at least tried it out and that's a thumbs up from us. There are those people who move to a platform once it's good and ready. This, however, requires the second kind of people. Those who stick around, support it, and help make it better. I'd like to be the second kind so that more people can be the first kind in the future.
    12-14-2012 08:34 PM
  3. 920Walker's Avatar
    Beacuse he wrote a review about something he did not research. If he did the research, why buy the phone? If he did not, he dont have the right to complain. Simple as that...
    This is ludicrously hilarious.
    12-14-2012 08:35 PM
  4. SinisterDuck's Avatar
    "I'm a reasonable, intelligent person who really gave this phone a chance, and I really really wanted to love it, but it doesn't do things like iOS / Android so I can't recommend it and it's really heartbreaking because I so much wanted to love it.

    "If you're a potential buyer sitting on the fence, I want to knock you off! The alternatives are flawless and anyone who is reasonable and intelligent knows this. I like this phone, but it doesn't have App XYZ or Feature QRS, and the beta apps suck, so if you're reasonable and intelligent like me, don't buy it! And if you argue with me, well, this is just my opinion and you must respect it because I am reasonable and intelligent!

    "Oh, and I'm not fanboy -- that's why I go into user forums and reasonably and intelligently put down the devices people here use! If I were a fanboy, I wouldn't be so reasonable and intelligent! And it's just MY opinion, so don't question it!"
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    12-14-2012 08:49 PM
  5. peterg21's Avatar
    "I'm a reasonable, intelligent person who really gave this phone a chance, and I really really wanted to love it, but it doesn't do things like iOS / Android so I can't recommend it and it's really heartbreaking because I so much wanted to love it.

    "If you're a potential buyer sitting on the fence, I want to knock you off! The alternatives are flawless and anyone who is reasonable and intelligent knows this. I like this phone, but it doesn't have App XYZ or Feature QRS, and the beta apps suck, so if you're reasonable and intelligent like me, don't buy it! And if you argue with me, well, this is just my opinion and you must respect it because I am reasonable and intelligent!

    "Oh, and I'm not fanboy -- that's why I go into user forums and reasonably and intelligently put down the devices people here use! If I were a fanboy, I wouldn't be so reasonable and intelligent! And it's just MY opinion, so don't question it!"
    And your response is that of the archetypal fanboy. Congratulations! People like you, with responses like this, do more damage to potential adopters than any negative reviews.
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    12-14-2012 08:56 PM
  6. thekonger's Avatar
    Well Jolly, thank your for sharing your pearls of wisdom. Without them, I don't know what I would have done.

    Okay, on a serious note, the reason why a few people jumped on you (and this goes to some of the people defending this as a good review), you basically came to a WP forum to tell us why YOU didn't like WP and why you were going back to the iPhone. This wasn't a review, it was a personal editorial novel on reasons you liked the iPhone more than WP.

    And as to why many people didn't read your entire post, well, We're not being fanboys. It simply because that we have heard many of the same concerns before; and we still feel WP8 is superior to iOS and Android (I have owned both, and they have many issues too and are not nearly as useful to me as WP). And secondly, we really don't freaking care why you dislike WP. Remember, if it's one place people will take offense to a 'why I left your device...' post it's in a forum dedicated to said device. It wouldn't be any different from me going and extolling my fine opinion on why I left my HTC Shift for WP8 (which I wouldn't do, because that would be, cough, trolling!). So please let's all stop the silly fanboy labeling here.

    If you want to go to iOS or Android, please do so. But also, please spare us the great insights you possess about why WP is lacking. Remember, it's okay to get the phone you like. Life is too short to have to deal with a phone you think isn't adequate for your needs. That's why I left iOS and Android and jumped to WP8, which is the best mobile OS there is by far IMHO.
    Last edited by thekonger; 12-14-2012 at 09:15 PM.
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    12-14-2012 08:57 PM
  7. aubreyq's Avatar
    Man. it's your fault you did not do your research. People DO NOT buy the phone straight away. they do their research about it first. So you DO NOT have the right to complain.
    I respectfully disagree. Plenty of people buy phones without good research as you imply.
    12-14-2012 08:57 PM
  8. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I dunno. Man. everybody I know do research. So I can't say. my opinion of course
    12-14-2012 08:59 PM
  9. stmav's Avatar
    Nothing like a self indulgent thread to get the weekend started. Thanks for giving it a try.
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    12-14-2012 08:59 PM
  10. thekonger's Avatar
    I love how everyone is saying he has no right to complain... It honestly feels like they don't want to hear that WP has flaws. Yeah, god damn it has flaws, but I love Windows Phone and am getting with Windows Phone 8, and can tell I'll enjoy it. But how about this, if people don't raise issues with the OS, how the heck is it meant to improve? Answer me that one.
    Hmm, I disagree. I think if you post an honest concern here people will listen earnestly. But if you have already made up your mind and are simply posting your parting opinion on why WP isn't as good as [insert favorite device here] then please just leave. I don't think I saw any revelations in Jolly's post, it was just his opinion on why WP8 wasn't for him.

    And I think most of the people here readily acknowledge that WP8 and the phones have issues and we use this forum to share those concerns. In fact, many of the seasoned posters here are the ones asking for fixes. You just need to read the posts. Perhaps we do it in different ways however, as this point no one has called me a troll yet or bashed on me (not that I'm a seasoned poster). Additionally, I have sent two message explaining my concerns to Nokia on Drive and battery life (well resolved with tips I got from this forum). Many times the option to send feedback is right in the app.

    So yes, raising concerns or asking for improvements is fine. Coming here to deliver some personal spiel when you have already made up your mind is simply a waste of your time and ours; especially when many of us know WP8 has issues, yet we still find it superior to iOS and Android with their issues.
    a5cent, Alex Kj and aubreyq like this.
    12-14-2012 09:13 PM
  11. theta orionis's Avatar
    I just wish there were more people, who would voice their happy thoughts on our WP8 devices. I'm very happy with my L920 and I go to wpcentral, to read about positive WP8 stuff. There sure isn't much of that going around elsewhere. IPhone this and android that...
    There is a thread entitled "Happy Lumia 920 and WP8 users club" on the site somewhere. It's not all gloom and doom. Lots of folks, myself included, are loving their phones!
    Aggemam likes this.
    12-14-2012 09:19 PM
  12. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Hmm, I disagree. I think if you post an honest concern here people will listen earnestly. But if you have already made up your mind and are simply posting your parting opinion on why WP isn't as good as [insert favorite device here] then please just leave. I don't think I saw any revelations in Jolly's post, it was just his opinion on why WP8 wasn't for him.

    And I think most of the people here readily acknowledge that WP8 and the phones have issues and we use this forum to share those concerns. In fact, many of the seasoned posters here are the ones asking for fixes. You just need to read the posts. Perhaps we do it in different ways however, as this point no one has called me a troll yet or bashed on me (not that I'm a seasoned poster). Additionally, I have sent two message explaining my concerns to Nokia on Drive and battery life (well resolved with tips I got from this forum). Many times the option to send feedback is right in the app.

    So yes, raising concerns or asking for improvements is fine. Coming here to deliver some personal spiel when you have already made up your mind is simply a waste of your time and ours; especially when many of us know WP8 has issues, yet we still find it superior to iOS and Android with their issues.
    And that is a very fine point you make there. Obviously, I read it and read "Ok, well he's seen these flaws and wants WP8 to improve". So perhaps it was ME that misinterpreted the OP. I'll be the first to admit, I misinterpret like 5'000'000 different things each and every day without fail! I guess you could call me socially ******ed, but let's not get into that. The fact was I thought he was highlighting concerns and that was why I defended his post. Perhaps, in hindsight, I shouldn't have done, but what's done is done.
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    12-14-2012 09:20 PM
  13. thekonger's Avatar
    And that is a very fine point you make there. Obviously, I read it and read "Ok, well he's seen these flaws and wants WP8 to improve". So perhaps it was ME that misinterpreted the OP. I'll be the first to admit, I misinterpret like 5'000'000 different things each and every day without fail! I guess you could call me socially ******ed, but let's not get into that. The fact was I thought he was highlighting concerns and that was why I defended his post. Perhaps, in hindsight, I shouldn't have done, but what's done is done.
    Ha Paladin, no problem, it's all good. I didn't think your post was bad at all, I just thought I would explain why I may be coming as overly defensive of WP8.
    12-14-2012 09:28 PM
  14. SinisterDuck's Avatar
    And your response is that of the archetypal fanboy. Congratulations! People like you, with responses like this, do more damage to potential adopters than any negative reviews.
    Yeah, I criticize someone who is criticizing, and it automatically makes me a fanboy. Right.

    I do not go to iMore or other iPhone forums and knock their product. I have an iPhone 4S and think it's great. It doesn't make me a fanboy.

    I also have a Lumia 920 and think it's great. It doesn't make me a fanboy.
    ttsoldier likes this.
    12-14-2012 09:34 PM
  15. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Can you guys stop feeding the trolls? :|
    12-14-2012 09:35 PM
  16. jollydogg's Avatar
    I never said no one could question my opinion. You are acting like I have advice to specifically persuade people away, which is clearly false. Think of my post as an opinion piece and nothing more. If you don't like it, that's fine, but there's no need to mock me and try to toss around unneeded insults.
    12-14-2012 09:36 PM
  17. thekonger's Avatar
    I never said no one could question my opinion. You are acting like I have advice to specifically persuade people away, which is clearly false. Think of my post as an opinion piece and nothing more. If you don't like it, that's fine, but there's no need to mock me and try to toss around unneeded insults.
    Not certain why you keep coming back to post. Aren't you done with WP?

    Read my post, rinse, lather, repeat. Then go to the phone of your choice. We're happy, you're happy, and hopefully in the future, you recognize you are allowed to do something without needing to feel vindicated with everyone's approval.

    Peace jolly
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    12-14-2012 09:43 PM
  18. thekonger's Avatar
    Can you guys stop feeding the trolls? :|
    Argggghhhh!. But I just bought a huge bag of Purina Troll Chow!
    12-14-2012 09:44 PM
  19. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Ok this is turning into petty insults now... can a mod PLEASE close this thread and hand out some infractions?
    12-14-2012 09:46 PM
  20. ninnnnnja's Avatar
    I understand that every major brand has their own set of blind zombie-like fanboys, but some of you guys really need to have a more open mindset. I really don't care about OS wars and I don't really see whats the big deal if someone admits that this phone/OS is not for them, there is no phone that will satisfy everyone, and this is no exception. If anything, you should expect a much higher % of people to dislike WP in comparison to any of the other OS's just because it is a newer platform (mainly WP8) and we are all EARLY ADOPTERS, there are bound to be many more flaws - and we all KNEW that coming in.

    The OP gave us an honest review and that's it, move on you zombies.
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    12-14-2012 09:53 PM
  21. thekonger's Avatar
    I understand that every major brand has their own set of blind zombie-like fanboys, but some of you guys really need to have a more open mindset. I really don't care about OS wars and I don't really see whats the big deal if someone admits that this phone/OS is not for them, there is no phone that will satisfy everyone, and this is no exception. If anything, you should expect a much higher % of people to dislike WP in comparison to any of the other OS's just because it is a newer platform (mainly WP8) and we are all EARLY ADOPTERS, there are bound to be many more flaws - and we all KNEW that coming in.

    The OP gave us an honest review and that's it, move on you zombies.
    ninja, please read the thread and understand we are really not being fanboys. A fanboy is a person who declares their system or device is factually superior to another. We're not doing that; we're saying if you have made up your mind there's no reason to share you reasons with us; it's your choice.

    There are very valid responses to the OP. Again, no one is denying the flaws in WP. But if everyone that switched from one phone OS to another decided to post their deep thoughts on why they jumped we would have nothing more than a million self-centered posts.
    12-14-2012 10:02 PM
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    12-14-2012 10:10 PM
  23. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I'll just add what I usually do with these threads because everyone else has expressed what I think.

    /bangs head against the wall
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    12-14-2012 10:10 PM
  24. ninnnnnja's Avatar
    ninja, please read the thread and understand we are really not being fanboys. A fanboy is a person who declares their system or device is factually superior to another. We're not doing that; we're saying if you have made up your mind there's no reason to share you reasons with us; it's your choice.

    There are very valid responses to the OP. Again, no one is denying the flaws in WP. But if everyone that switched from one phone OS to another decided to post their deep thoughts on why they jumped we would have nothing more than a million self-centered posts.
    There are definitely a select few people here commenting being blatant fanboys actually. And also there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with someone posting their review/opinion of WP and the results of it... without feedback from users (positive AND negative), improving a product/service becomes much slower. If you don't want to read why someone has switched back, then you shouldn't have clicked on this thread to begin with, it was obvious right in the title.
    12-14-2012 10:13 PM
  25. jollydogg's Avatar
    Is posting an honest opinion about a WP8 product in one of the few WP8 forums really self centered or self righteous? I never said I was done with WP8. You clearly didn't read my post. Point blank. I even said ill keep lurking for good news so maybe by the time AT&T unlocks it I can return to the platform.
    12-14-2012 10:17 PM
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